Left-wing Radical Pope Attacks Trump - he hits back

[Tibs]

Then, where will this technology be in 5-10 years?



I'm not saying building a huge ******* wall won't help stem the tide of illegal immigrants. It would, to some degree. I just think it's nuts to think it's going to have the type of impact Trump, and others, are dreaming about.
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[Tibs]

Maybe Trump can offer an olive branch and have the Pope come bless the wall, once it's built.

 

[deljzc]

Build a wall, build it high...make it thick, dig it deep. Then plant pretty trees next to the wall to make it environmental friendly.

Briars. Lots and lots of briars. And cacti where that can't grow. Lots and lots of spreading, stickling cacti....

That would make the environmentalists happy.

 

[deljzc]

I do have to agree the hypocrisy of the Vatican to condemn a wall when it's entire City-State is surrounded by a wall seems rather comical to me.

Why don't we ask the Pope if he knows the history of why that wall was built?

 

[Tibs]

I do have to agree the hypocrisy of the Vatican to condemn a wall when it's entire City-State is surrounded by a wall seems rather comical to me.

My sense is the Pope was speaking more generally about Trump's harsh stance on immigrants and refugees. Sure, it's personified by Trump's not-stop barking about building the next Great Wall of China along the border. But I don't think it's the notion of a physical, brick & mortar - or stone - wall the Pope is harping against. It's what is in our hearts and minds. About helping those in need, about providing food and shelter for those that seek it. What Jesus teaches in the Bible. As far as I can tell, that's what he was trying to get at.

 

[Tibs]

Then plant pretty trees next to the wall to make it environmental friendly.

Briars. Lots and lots of briars.

It begs the question, won't those trees simply be used to help scale the wall? Moats - with alligators - would be more prudent.

 

[Spike]

I just watched Morning Joe on MSNBC and it was astounding.

Democrat endorsers lining up and defending Trump and bashing the Pope over getting involved in American politics.

Take that Rome, go clean up your own back yard...

 

[DBS1970]

Any obstacle is worthless without observation and cover by direct and indirect fire. Bring our troops home and set them to gaurding the wall. Give them plenty of ammunition and orders to shoot anyone that breaches the wall. Border jumping problem solved.

 

[Spike]

I do have to agree the hypocrisy of the Vatican to condemn a wall when it's entire City-State is surrounded by a wall seems rather comical to me.

Why don't we ask the Pope if he knows the history of why that wall was built?

I'm pretty sure it was built to keep out the Muslim hoards


meanwhile, the Pope wants to stick his nose in our politics, but not Italys?

Unbelievable



Pope refuses to meddle with Italy's gay unions bill debate

"The Pope does not meddle with Italian politics," Francis said in an in-flight press conference returning from Mexico. "Because the Pope belongs to everybody, he cannot enter the concrete, domestic politics of a country. This is not the Pope's role," he added.

Francis said it was up to Italian bishops to take a stand, while recalling his previous pronouncements - namely that same-sex partnerships cannot be equated to heterosexual marriages, and his famous 2013 "who am I to judge" remark about gays.

http://en.europeonline-magazine.eu/...ith-italys-gay-unions-bill-debate_439528.html

 

[deljzc]

And the funny thing is, Trump is not against immigration.

He has time and again praised Mexican workers. He has time and again said he admires Mexican culture.

He just wants to make immigration per the law again. I think he's on to something that legal Mexican immigrants going through the bureaucracy of the immigration process must have tons of resentment against an illegal immigrant that possibly gets treated better than him, makes more money than him, and doesn't have to deal with the red tape. Wouldn't that frustrate the **** out of you?

Legal immigrants in this country should LOVE Trumps platform. They should love any talk of reform process.

The idea democrats are for immigration while allowing so many to abuse and ignore the system/laws in place is hogwash. That just creates a group of bitter people that are trying to do the right thing.

It's there same logic with free handouts. If they continue to let people abuse the welfare state (and they seem extremely reluctant to enforce welfare cheating), how does that make people that actually want to use the welfare/safety net system in a moral way feel?

Unless you systemically and aggressively root out the cheaters against both immigration laws and welfare laws, you will never give faith to those that want to use both systems that the laws are fair and respectful of them.

 

[Spike]

The Pope backs off....Trump wins again!


Pope spokesman clarifies Trump comment

A spokesperson for Pope Francis clarified the pontiff's criticism of Donald Trump's plan to build a border wall, saying that the remark wasn't "a personal attack."

"The Pope said what we already know, if we followed his teaching and positions: we shouldn't build walls, but bridges," the spokesperson said in a statement, according to CNBC. "It's his generic view, coherent with the nature of solidarity from the gospel."

"This wasn't, in any way, a personal attack or an indication on who to vote for," the spokesperson continued. "The Pope has clearly said he didn't want to get involved in the electoral campaign in the US and also said that he said what he said on the basis of what he was told [about Trump], hence giving him the benefit of the doubt."

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/270001-pope-spokesman-clarifies-trump-comment

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Vatican spokesman, Father Guido Sarducci:

“You know-a, da Holy Father, he justa talkin, talkitty, talkitty. He say-a a whole lotta things, you know-a. He just-a like-a da bridges. No like-a da walls. It just-a his thing.”

 

[DBS1970]

Del,

The Reconquistas don't care about the facts. They want to get enough illegals into the southwest to steal it.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

My sense is the Pope was speaking more generally about Trump's harsh stance on immigrants and refugees. Sure, it's personified by Trump's not-stop barking about building the next Great Wall of China along the border. But I don't think it's the notion of a physical, brick & mortar - or stone - wall the Pope is harping against. It's what is in our hearts and minds. About helping those in need, about providing food and shelter for those that seek it. What Jesus teaches in the Bible. As far as I can tell, that's what he was trying to get at.

Just curious Tibs, but when you go to bed at night, do you make sure the doors are locked and secured?

 

[Tibs]

Just curious Tibs, but when you go to bed at night, do you make sure the doors are locked and secured?

Yes, Tim, I have a few locks on the door. Why?

 

[CharlesDavenport]

Not sure why we have to go straight from practically recruiting illegals into the country to a wall. Maybe first we try a couple of years of treating our existing immigration laws seriously.

 

[deljzc]

Not sure why we have to go straight from practically recruiting illegals into the country to a wall. Maybe first we try a couple of years of treating our existing immigration laws seriously.

And I think Trump will actually execute this while the talk of a wall will be "negotiated".

Again, for as smart a negotiator I think Trump is, he might parlay this whole "pay for the wall" thing into a much better labor deal for America or find something else for Mexico to pay for (like their own drug war for instance) and maybe save the U.S. some money.

Just like any great negotiator, don't be afraid to start the negotiations and ask for the moon. That gives you some wiggle room to still come back to "win" at the table. Trump's the only one in the political race that seems to understand this. Obama sure doesn't. He loves to tell the media just how reasonable and honest his position is before he even sits down with anyone. What a ******* fool.

 

[SteelChip]

The cat is a liberal and the fun times represent attempts at logic..

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Yes, Tim, I have a few locks on the door. Why?

I'm sure you're a charitable person at times, as we all are. But it seems as if you're asking the United States to just leave it's doors open. No locks. No repercussions for entering. No repercussions for stealing (aka, not paying taxes but taking taxpayer benefits). I doubt, if asked, that you'd leave your doors unlocked and allow anyone that wanted to enter. To take what they wanted. To not reimburse you. I'm sure you lock the doors to protect your valuables, your food, your furnishings, and your family.

So why ask that the United States keep its doors open? Why frown upon those who would ask for a door with locks (responsible immigration policies, allowing legal immigrants and yes perhaps walls in areas where the rules are persistently broken) on our borders? We are being stolen from. Breaking and entering is happening persistently. It's no different.

No one here has a problem with legal immigration. Just like you probably don't have a problem with someone that knocks on your door and enters upon permission.

So why do you and other liberals have a problem with those that would lock our doors, when this is how you operate at home?

 

[Tibs]

So why do you and other liberals have a problem with those that would lock our doors, when this is how you operate at home?

Tim, I totally understand what you're saying. I'm not at all against border protection. I take issue with Donald Trump's idea for a wall and his dumbed-down characterization of the problem.

There are probably plenty of sensible things to do before you go straight to building a $10 billion wall which will take years and years to build, as the Donald is suggesting. It's like Trump is talking to a bunch of kindergartners, who may, or may not, make up much of his constituency.

I agree with Charles Davenport.

Not sure why we have to go straight from practically recruiting illegals into the country to a wall. Maybe first we try a couple of years of treating our existing immigration laws seriously.

 

[DBS1970]

Not sure why we have to go straight from practically recruiting illegals into the country to a wall. Maybe first we try a couple of years of treating our existing immigration laws seriously.

Because it's not just Mexicans that are coming across our southern border that we have to worry about. We also have to worry about Islamic terrorists coming in across the Mexican border now too.

 

[Stewey]

Yep, not enforcing our existing laws, rather ignoring them as so ordered by The Dear Leader.
Obama orders border patrol to back down.

http://controversialtimes.com/news/obama-admin-orders-border-patrol-agents-to-stand-down-video/


I wonder why news like this, and the news of the Marine beaten by Black Lives Matter thugs, and the news of the black career criminal killed in Cincy by cops after he drew a gun... never make it to the mainstream news media.

 

[Rod Farva]

Ship all the illegal immigrants to Vatican City!

See how many get to stay!

I hears they are taking some. 2 I believe.

You can disagree with his politics, but he's the Pope, for Christ's sake! Is nothing sacred anymore?

Now THAT's ironic.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Tim, I totally understand what you're saying. I'm not at all against border protection. I take issue with Donald Trump's idea for a wall and his dumbed-down characterization of the problem.

There are probably plenty of sensible things to do before you go straight to building a $10 billion wall which will take years and years to build, as the Donald is suggesting. It's like Trump is talking to a bunch of kindergartners, who may, or may not, make up much of his constituency.

I agree with Charles Davenport.

I too am for a sensible approach. Do you agree with amnesty for all illegals here? Do you support anchor babies? Are you fine with providing tax benefits to illegals?

I hear you saying "no wall". Are you likewise as adamant at the other end with regards to the problem at hand?

 

[Tibs]

Again, for as smart a negotiator I think Trump is...

A brilliant negotiator indeed, he truly has an impeccable record:


TRUMP AIRLINES - In October 1988, Donald Trump threw his wallet into the airline business by purchasing Eastern Air Shuttle, a service that for 27 years had run hourly flights between Boston, New York City and Washington, D.C. For roughly $365 million, Trump got a fleet of 17 Boeing 727s, landing facilities in each of the three cities and the right to paint his name on an airplane. But his gamble was a bust. A lack of increased interest from customers combined with high pre–Gulf War fuel prices meant the shuttle never turned a profit. The high debt forced Trump to default on his loans, and ownership of the company was turned over to creditors. The Trump Shuttle ceased to exist in 1992.

TRUMP CASINOS - Donald Trump's gambles don't always go as planned. Especially when that gamble is gambling itself. In February 2009, Trump Entertainment Resorts Inc. filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection for the third time in a row — an extremely rare feat in American business. The casino company, founded in the 1980s, runs the Taj Mahal, the Trump Plaza and the Trump Marina. Trump defended himself by distancing himself from the company, though he owned 28% of its stock. "Other than the fact that it has my name on it — which I'm not thrilled about — I have nothing to do with the company," he said. He resigned from Trump Entertainment soon after that third filing, but in August of that year he, and an affiliate of Beal Bank Nevada, agreed to buy the company for $100 million.

TRUMP MARRIAGES - Donald Trump's life in the bedroom has been messy at best. The real estate magnate married his first wife, Ivana, in 1977, but things got rocky after Trump's affair with actress Marla Maples surfaced in New York City tabloids. "You *****, leave my husband alone!" Ivana told Maples on a ski trip in Aspen, Colo. Ivana's warning fell on deaf ears, and in 1992, Trump left her with a reported $25 million settlement and married his mistress one year later. His marriage to Maples was even shorter-lived, and the couple divorced in 1999. These days, Trump is married to Slovenian supermodel Melania Knauss.

TRUMP MORTGAGE - In April 2006, Trump announced that, after years in the real estate business, he was launching a mortgage company. He held a glitzy press conference at which his son Donald Jr. predicted that Trump Mortgage would soon be the nation's No. 1 home-loan lender. Trump told CNBC, "Who knows more about financing than me?" Apparently, plenty. Within a year and a half, Trump Mortgage had closed shop. The would-be lending powerhouse was done in by timing (the housing market cratered in 2007) and ironically enough, given Trump's Apprentice TV show, poor hiring. The executive Trump selected to run his loan company, E.J. Ridings, claimed to have been a top executive at a prestigious investment bank. In reality, Ridings' highest role on Wall Street was as a registered broker, a position he held for a mere six days.

TRUMP UNIVERSITY - They hoped to get rich off real estate, so they enrolled in Donald Trump’s University to learn the tricks of the trade, some of them maxing out their credit cards to pay tens of thousands of dollars for insider knowledge they believed could make them wealthy.

Do you remember Trump University? Probably not — founded in 2005, it didn’t really catch on. And one big reason it didn’t catch on is because it was a total scam, say former students in complaints that were filed to the Federal Trade Commission and were unearthed by a Freedom of Information Act recently requested by Gizmodo.

“I want my $35,000+ back. All I got was books that I could have gotten from the library that could guide me better then Trump’s class did." Another grievance describes a strategy reminiscent of Scientology. After paying $1,495 for a three-day seminar, which provided information freely available on Zillow, “attendees were told that unless they purchased additional products (software; individual coaching) they would not succeed,” the complaint states.

In 2013, the New York Attorney General’s office filed a $40 million lawsuit against the former reality star and current Republican presidential candidate for failing to impart the promised real estate education on 5,000 students and subjecting prospective students to high-pressure sales tactics. In April 2015, a judge ruled that Trump was indeed personally responsible and that the matter would go to trial. A class-action suit against Trump related to Trump University is also pending.

TRUMP VODKA - Trump vodka was introduced in 2006 to much fanfare. At the time, Trump predicted the T&T (Trump and Tonic) would become the most requested drink in America. On Larry King Live, he said he got into the vodka business to outdo his friends at Grey Goose. Ten years later, Grey Goose is still on top shelves throughout the country. As for Trump vodka? Yeah, we'd never heard of it either. The New York City blog Gothamist reported the vodka stopped production "because the company failed to meet the threshold requirements." In 2011, Trump's company filed an injunction to prevent an ISRAELI company from selling Trump vodka without his consent or authorization. Meaning the Donald stopped the only people in world who wanted to drink his vodka from doing so.

CHINA CONNECTION - "The problem with our country is we don't manufacture anything anymore," Donald Trump told Fox News recently. "The stuff that's been sent over from China," he complained, "falls apart after a year and a half. It's crap." That very same Donald Trump has his own line of clothing, and it's made in ... China. (OK, OK — not all of it. Salon, which reported this intriguing, head-scratching fact, notes that some of his apparel is from MEXICO and Bangladesh.)

BANKRUPTCIES - Donald Trump brags about how well his businesses have fared. Yet, no major U.S. company has filed for Chapter 11 more than Trump's casino empire in the last 30 years
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In 1990, the banking institutions that backed his real estate investments had to bail him out with a $65 million "rescue package" that contained new loans and credit. But it wasn't enough, and in 1991 the famous developer was nearly $4 billion in debt and his famous Taj Mahal casino had to file bankruptcy, [with another bankruptcy for Trump Castle Associates being filed in 1992*]. Trump's economic troubles continued through the '90s, while he was personally leveraged to nearly $1 billion. In 2004, Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts also filed for bankruptcy. In 2009, the same company (by then renamed Trump Entertainment Resorts Inc.) filed for bankruptcy again.

https://www.facebook.com/1541429846...4142984621301/945171185518473/?type=3&theater

 

[CharlesDavenport]

You can't compare Trump's accomplishments to Bernie's or Hillary's because you can't divide by zero.