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First of all, if I'm Tomlin, I give Scobee a third and final chance to kick a field goal and win the game from 50/51 yards out. Yes, I know his arrow was pointing down, but putting him out there on the same end of the field where he had pushed it left both times, I feel he's a professional and will finally make the necessary adjustment. Both were near-misses, not as if they weren't anywhere close. If the kick is good, Scobee is the hero of the moment, his confidence is restored, and all is well and good. If he misses, it's three strikes and he's out, and I'd have to answer to all the second-guessing. Which Tomlin is doing now anyway, since he abandoned Bell not once, but twice in short-yardage situations.

As it stands now, Scobee can no longer kick field goals in Pittsburgh. I would, however, keep him on as the kickoff specialist. I'd bring in Kai Forbath, who was 24-27 and 7-8 from 40-49 last year for the Redskins. And I'd cut Dri Archer, who has about as much use as a second dick to this team.

What would you do?
 
Why cut your KR, who's only had the opportunity to return, ah, 2 kicks? If that - and the one he returned last night was returned for 30 yards.

I'd suggest cutting either a FB or DL instead - and, YES, bring in Forbath NOW!!!
 
Maybe it's just me but didn't Suisham start slowly for us also. I remember being uneasy for awhile with Suisham too. Maybe I'm wrong
 
Moved>>>>

Kickers are often taken for granted, but a bum can sink a team almost as fast as a bad QB can.

For humor, how about we trade Archer ( who would be better in the wider CFL that has slower defenders ) to the CFL and pick up this guy? Kicking in the CFL could harder than kicking in the NFL. His career accuracy is rather good.

http://cfl.ca/roster/show/id/4345
 
Suisham came in pretty solid for us, he was 14-15 his first year with us. His next season, he dipped to a 75% rate and people were calling for his head, the next three years he was 90% or higher. So he hit a rough patch, but he never missed more than one in a game. Scobee has missed twice in two games already, with Suisham his confidence was never in question, his good kicks were pretty centered unlike Scobee who is barely making his good ones.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if the brain trust in the front office is trying to figure out what to do here. The biggest part of the problem is the 2.5 million cap hit they'd absorb if they cut Scobee. The next part of the problem is who do you bring in? What if they stink it up as bad as Scobee is doing?
 
insaniti said:
Suisham came in pretty solid for us, he was 14-15 his first year with us. His next season, he dipped to a 75% rate and people were calling for his head, the next three years he was 90% or higher. So he hit a rough patch, but he never missed more than one in a game. Scobee has missed twice in two games already, with Suisham his confidence was never in question, his good kicks were pretty centered unlike Scobee who is barely making his good ones.
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Ok thanks I knew I remembered a time where I was uneasy for a sec. Last nite there was no way I let him kick. But part of me isn't ready to give up on him. Tough decision.
 
Shane Falco said:
I wouldn't be surprised if the brain trust in the front office is trying to figure out what to do here. The biggest part of the problem is the 2.5 million cap hit they'd absorb if they cut Scobee. The next part of the problem is who do you bring in? What if they stink it up as bad as Scobee is doing?
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Jay Feely, Rian Lindell, Shayne Graham, Alex Henery, Connor Barth, Chris Boswell and Kai Forbath all available according to NFL.com

Anyone would be hard pressed to be worse than Scobee has been. Even the kicks he makes, he just barely makes. I can't recall a single, no doubt about it solid kick, even on extra points.
 
Shane Falco said:
I wouldn't be surprised if the brain trust in the front office is trying to figure out what to do here. The biggest part of the problem is the 2.5 million cap hit they'd absorb if they cut Scobee. The next part of the problem is who do you bring in? What if they stink it up as bad as Scobee is doing?
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Jacksonville must be laughing at us. A 2.5 million cap hit sucks and blown 6th round pick sucks, but throwing away your season is worse. We need to find better now.

If you ask me we could have had Scobee without a trade.
 
Coach said:
Jacksonville must be laughing at us. A 2.5 million cap hit sucks and blown 6th round pick sucks, but throwing away your season is worse. We need to find better now.

If you ask me we could have had Scobee without a trade.
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That too. Scobee was a very good kicker but has long since reached his expiration date. This was a poor move by th FO. Maybe we'll hear news by Monday that they're brining in kickers...again.
 
antdrewjosh said:
Maybe it's just me but didn't Suisham start slowly for us also. I remember being uneasy for awhile with Suisham too. Maybe I'm wrong
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He did. Even with the end zone improvements, that side of the field has always been very difficult for kickers. Not giving Scooby any excuses, but I do remember Swede and Reed having issues with that end.
 
In the next couple hours im gonna be refreshing the NFL.com transactions page.....every 5 seconds.....lookin for that inevitable "Josh Scobee released..."
 
One thing I did like about Scobee was the touchbacks on kickoffs. If we bring in another kicker, I think it's important they have a strong enough leg to do that. I'm not so sure Scobee won't be kicking for us next game though..
 
mdk2 said:
One thing I did like about Scobee was the touchbacks on kickoffs. If we bring in another kicker, I think it's important they have a strong enough leg to do that. I'm not so sure Scobee won't be kicking for us next game though..
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With rules like this most kickers get touchbacks.
 
I can't believe we haven't cut him yet....
 
Well... Scobee could save face by bowing out with an 'injury' -- and take home a cool payday for 2 months of work.
 
mdk2 said:
One thing I did like about Scobee was the touchbacks on kickoffs. If we bring in another kicker, I think it's important they have a strong enough leg to do that. I'm not so sure Scobee won't be kicking for us next game though..
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I honestly think that was the biggest factor in bringing him in because they didn't have enough faith in their defense earlier and wanted them in as most long field situations as possible. And that's not a bad idea, but it becomes one when the FG kicker can't kick FGs.
 
topseed said:
First of all, if I'm Tomlin, I give Scobee a third and final chance to kick a field goal and win the game from 50/51 yards out. Yes, I know his arrow was pointing down, but putting him out there on the same end of the field where he had pushed it left both times, I feel he's a professional and will finally make the necessary adjustment. Both were near-misses, not as if they weren't anywhere close. If the kick is good, Scobee is the hero of the moment, his confidence is restored, and all is well and good. If he misses, it's three strikes and he's out, and I'd have to answer to all the second-guessing. Which Tomlin is doing now anyway, since he abandoned Bell not once, but twice in short-yardage situations.

As it stands now, Scobee can no longer kick field goals in Pittsburgh. I would, however, keep him on as the kickoff specialist. I'd bring in Kai Forbath, who was 24-27 and 7-8 from 40-49 last year for the Redskins. And I'd cut Dri Archer, who has about as much use as a second dick to this team.

What would you do?
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Seed, we don't always agree on things but I'm with you on this one. You bet your *** you march Scobee out there to win the game on that 41 yarder. Its not like he was short on the two previous kicks from further. Hell, he had plenty of distance but just missed them. You bring him out to try and win the game since that's what he's paid to do. If he blows it, then you cut his ***.
 
ARussell said:
You again are wrong, Suisham was 14 out of 15 his first year with the Steelers
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As pointed out I couldn't remember when but it was his second year he had trouble then smoothed out again. We went over that already.
 
I said from the beginning I wasn't exactly sure when it was. I just remembered a uneasy time with him. But you go ahead and run with it cause your crazy
 
Yeah you are crazy lol. I didn't claim anything when I said I couldn't remember and Insanti pointed out when it was and I said thanks and we all moved on..And I brought it up in the first place because I'm not totally the right call is to cut Scobee cause he could still get it together. But you go ahead and continue to cut yourself about Tomlin.
 
Coach said:
Moved>>>>

Kickers are often taken for granted, but a bum can sink a team almost as fast as a bad QB can.

For humor, how about we trade Archer ( who would be better in the wider CFL that has slower defenders ) to the CFL and pick up this guy? Kicking in the CFL could harder than kicking in the NFL. His career accuracy is rather good.

http://cfl.ca/roster/show/id/4345
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Problem with CFL kickers is that they kick off a small black tee (we call it a puck) which is a pretty big surface advantage. Unfortunately, I would imagine this stiff Scobee will get another chance. His salary and the draft pick will dictate it. I'd keep going with the open try outs. A kicker without confidence is like a golfer who loses his swing. No way to say if when he will get it back and it has to be in the coaches mind.
 
ARussell said:
Yet you stupidly now claim it was his 2nd year that Suisham struggled which has NOTHING to do with Scobbee being new and struggling. I'm crazy because you are stupid and your posts are wrong, full of excuses for Tomlin, irrelevant to the situation and of course factually incorrect, got it.
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SHUT THE **** UP ALREADY! What Ant was addressing, was the fact that I already showed him Suisham's stats for the start and his second year, he wasn't "claiming" anything, only stating that the topic had already been covered. READ THE ENTIRE THREAD, before you start jumping on people about their posts.

You just see that it was him that posted it, get all giddy and chub your pants, and skip over the fact that it was covered, he said he couldn't remember, and we all moved on. I'm half tempted to "subscribe" just to ignore people like you.
 
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