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Johnny douchebag 2nd agent says he's Auddie 5,000

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Cope said:
And Tebow couldn't keep a job with ZERO character issues. Odd...
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Today's NFL is kind of a joke. Talent is terribly misused and everyone's trying to build a passing juggernaut. 20 years ago, Tim would not have been controversial. He would have been a pro-bowl H-back, and a serious red zone threat from that position to run, catch or throw the ball. Today that kind of innovation has been stifled by the rush to create a 5000 yard passing offense.

Tim was a gifted player who was never properly used, and the NFL is a lesser league because of it.
 
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Steel Vanguard said:
Today's NFL is kind of a joke. Talent is terribly misused and everyone's trying to build a passing juggernaut. 20 years ago, Tim would not have been controversial. He would have been a pro-bowl H-back, and a serious red zone threat from that position to run, catch or throw the ball. Today that kind of innovation has been stifled by the rush to create a 5000 yard passing offense.

Tim was a gifted player who was never properly used, and the NFL is a lesser league because of it.
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Tebow was super talented. Never complained and worked his *** off. The guy had an amazing work ethic and good character to show but was trampled on by the media for being religious and just a general goodie two shoes. Another thing about Tebow is he was willing to play any position his coaches asked of him. I remember when the Jets signed him and he was in on constant punt formations against us
 
We had a guy with talent very similar to Timmy Tebow, his name was Kordell. He could run like a freaking deer, but the whole passing thing, yeah, not so much.

Joe
 
Cope said:
I know why they were zero on the play that lost it. It was a mistake by Clark and he admitted it. Don't you think a good QB can take advantage of a defensive error? Tebow did, and he did it all year. Watch more than one tebow game that season and you'll have an inkling of what I'm talking about.
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It appears you didn't watch the game.

1.) Clark didn't even play; he never plays in Denver.

2.) There was no help over the top all day wides outs were in single coverage all day.

If you don't know the above, you didn't watch the game.
 
t-man said:
We had a guy with talent very similar to Timmy Tebow, his name was Kordell. He could run like a freaking deer, but the whole passing thing, yeah, not so much.

Joe
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Kordell was a much more potent runner....and equally horrible passer.
 
POP said:
Kordell was a much more potent runner....and equally horrible passer.
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Horseshit.

Kordell Stewart made the Pro Bowl at QB. He was also AFC offensive Player Of The Year.

He was the first NFL QB to pass for more than 20 TDs while rushing for more than 10.

Underdeveloped as a passer? He was. But lets not get carried away here. He threw for over 3000 yards twice in his career.
 
Furthermore, Stewart set a Steelers record for completion percentage before Ben came along. Lots of folks like to forget that.

Now, Stewart couldn't read a defense to save his soul. I won't defend his stellar QB capabilities by any stretch. But he was certainly not "terrible". He was mediocre. And that's all he needed to be as the Steelers were build to be a run-first, ground and pound offense.

Still, it was Stewart's dogged determination to be a QB that really undermined him with the fans. Had he remained "Slash" he likely would have been as loved as Hines Ward around here. It's sad really. Stewart was, in many ways as threatening an offensive weapon as Mike Vick was. Stewart was certainly more versatile than Vick. He was a far better receiver and nearly as good a runner. And honestly as a passer he probably wasn't all that far behind Vick either.

Nope, had O'Donnell stayed or had they replaced him with a decent, accurate pocket QB and had Stewart remained as a #2 Receiver / QB / RB I think the Steelers would have had a huge weapon that would have continued to have a major impact for years. But Stewart,his agent and even the coaches and owners were a bit too greedy. Ironically they picked the position set that Stewart was the least gifted at.

Still, he managed to put together one of the best years a QB has ever had his first full time season as a QB. It wasn't until opposing defenses realized his significant weaknesses in reading defenses and his running styles that he began to significantly lose effectiveness. And even then, offensive coordinators attempted to cover up his warts with different schemes that had varying degrees of success.

Course, it's hard to imagine Stewart didn't have better numbers with a guy like Troy Edwards in the receiving corps. (I keed, I keeeeeed.)
 
POP said:
It appears you didn't watch the game.

1.) Clark didn't even play; he never plays in Denver.

2.) There was no help over the top all day wides outs were in single coverage all day.

If you don't know the above, you didn't watch the game.
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Correct, thanks, it was Mundy crashing down at the line of scrimmage pre snap (when he was not supposed to). Ike was playing the outside shoulder of his receiver expecting Safety help, that wasn't there. Then it was a great catch and footrace.

Watched the entire game. More than once in fact. I do know our pass rush suffered when we lost 2/3 of our D line in the first half. Safeties I supposed had to over compensate from that loss to help more vs the run.

Still though, a lack of communication on Mundy's part created the opening Tebow needed to win the game.
 
wig said:
Furthermore, Stewart set a Steelers record for completion percentage before Ben came along. Lots of folks like to forget that.

Now, Stewart couldn't read a defense to save his soul. I won't defend his stellar QB capabilities by any stretch. But he was certainly not "terrible". He was mediocre. And that's all he needed to be as the Steelers were build to be a run-first, ground and pound offense.

Still, it was Stewart's dogged determination to be a QB that really undermined him with the fans. Had he remained "Slash" he likely would have been as loved as Hines Ward around here. It's sad really. Stewart was, in many ways as threatening an offensive weapon as Mike Vick was. Stewart was certainly more versatile than Vick. He was a far better receiver and nearly as good a runner. And honestly as a passer he probably wasn't all that far behind Vick either.

Nope, had O'Donnell stayed or had they replaced him with a decent, accurate pocket QB and had Stewart remained as a #2 Receiver / QB / RB I think the Steelers would have had a huge weapon that would have continued to have a major impact for years. But Stewart,his agent and even the coaches and owners were a bit too greedy. Ironically they picked the position set that Stewart was the least gifted at.

Still, he managed to put together one of the best years a QB has ever had his first full time season as a QB. It wasn't until opposing defenses realized his significant weaknesses in reading defenses and his running styles that he began to significantly lose effectiveness. And even then, offensive coordinators attempted to cover up his warts with different schemes that had varying degrees of success.

Course, it's hard to imagine Stewart didn't have better numbers with a guy like Troy Edwards in the receiving corps. (I keed, I keeeeeed.)
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I largely agree with this. I would say, though, that with better coaching he could have been Brad Johnson enough to win us a SB or two. Shermhead and Killdrive were garbage coordinators.

Kordell worked hard, was smart, was loved by his teammates even when he ****** up. Ultimately, I agree though, as a multipurpose WR in the Randel El mold he could have been a great one. Can you imagine Slash as a return man? Would have been stunning.
 
I read an article in 98 or 99 from SI, I believe. The writer had interviewed a bunch of Defensive Coords about Stewart and essentially they were all saying how happy they were that he'd become a QB. They said more or less that he was a nightmare to gameplan against as "Slash" because when he lined up as a side-car or anywhere near the center or went into motion toward the center all bets were off on the play and pretty much everyone on defense had to go into a scramble drill.

This largely continued in 97 when he became a full time QB until near the end of the season when Pete Carrol said "**** it, he aint gonna throw after he starts to run!" Carrol spotted an athletic linebacker on Stewart and forced him to make good reads or try to run. The linebacker spied and shut down the runs for the most part and that pretty well ended the terrifying reign of Kordell Stewarts Freshman QB year.

Then the book was out, force him to pass, limit his running ability and count on the fact that he doesn't throw after he breaks the pocket. (That's where Stewart was different from McNabb and McNair). It turned out that Stewart wasn't good at complicated reads and if his first guy wasn't open he was in a bit of trouble. If his 2nd guy wasn't open he was in deep ****!

Then the Steelers went and got Kevin ******* Gilbride, who installed the worlds most complicated offense for a guy who's already struggling with a not so complicated offense. It doesn't take a genius to see how THAT's going to unfold.

But the worst of it all is the fact that Stewart, who just a year to two earlier was one of the up and coming, most loved guys in town is quickly becoming a reviled and hated guy around Pittsburgh, a full on lightning-rod for both critics and defenders. For lots of people, that's no big deal. They'd use the negative press and grumbling to motivate them, but Stewart was a people-pleaser that constantly struggled with the vitriol of the fans who so recently loved him.

It's sad really. He just wasn't quite the right mold for QB. He was perfect for Slash though. Utterly and completely perfect.
 
Cope said:
Correct, thanks, it was Mundy crashing down at the line of scrimmage pre snap (when he was not supposed to). Ike was playing the outside shoulder of his receiver expecting Safety help, that wasn't there. Then it was a great catch and footrace.

Watched the entire game. More than once in fact. I do know our pass rush suffered when we lost 2/3 of our D line in the first half. Safeties I supposed had to over compensate from that loss to help more vs the run.

Still though, a lack of communication on Mundy's part created the opening Tebow needed to win the game.
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I watched more than once as well.

It sure appeared to me that their entire game plan was to overkill on taking the run away, which left WRs in single coverage, and Timmy was able to throw downfield all day, to single coverage. This, more than anything, lost the game. The blame for the loss is directly at LeBeau and Cool Shades.
 
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The Johnny Manziel saga just won't end.

The former Browns quarterback was kicked out of the Jewel Nightclub at Aria in Las Vegas on Friday night after allegedly punching a man, TMZ Sports reported.

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According to the report, Manziel was in a VIP booth close to the stage when hip-hop star Drake made an appearance for a surprise performance. As the crowd moved forward toward the stage, Manziel was pushed. Naturally, he turned around and took a swing at the man who shoved him.

Security stepped in to stop the scuffle and prevent more punches from being thrown, and Manziel was promptly tossed from the club.

No stranger to trouble, Manziel was indicted last month on a misdemeanor assault charge and is accused of kidnapping, hitting and threatening to kill ex-girlfriend Colleen Crowley at a Dallas hotel in January. He has been ordered to avoid all contact with Crowley after she claimed her eardrum was ruptured and she lost hearing as a result of the assault.

The 2012 Heisman Trophy winner still refuses to change his lifestyle, even after being booted by the Browns in addition to losing his agent and an endorsement deal with Nike because of his bad behavior.
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Cope said:
I know why they were zero on the play that lost it. It was a mistake by Clark and he admitted it. Don't you think a good QB can take advantage of a defensive error? Tebow did, and he did it all year. Watch more than one tebow game that season and you'll have an inkling of what I'm talking about.
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I saw plenty of Tebow games that season.

Didn't he have a game with like 2 completions for 9 yards? No, he wasn't in just part time, that was his production for an entire game where he played every down.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TeboTi00/gamelog/2011/

If teams could win with Tebow, he'd have a job. Winning is the only thing they care about. He is just too horrid a passer to make it, even as a back up.
 
GRBman said:
I said it when he came out of A&M... I said 5 years and that's this year (I think). I really don't wish anything bad on the kid, its just a prediction...
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By my count it is only year 3. Its just that he has gotten 10 years worth of headlines.
 
Steelerfreak said:
By my count it is only year 3. Its just that he has gotten 10 years worth of headlines.
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And to think I thought the drafting of JM could mark the beginning of the end of Browns futility.

All it did was compound it greatly.

Is there any hotter mess than JM and his stint in cLEAVEland?

And Justin Gilbert is nearly as big of bust.

And, to be frank, even with their 20 draft picks, I am not sure they did all that great this year in the draft. Two good DL prospects, like 10 WRs and a pop gun armed QB.
 
back to tebow he should looked at the cfl to improve his accuracy as a runner he would of excelled as well with a wider field and with a year or 2 his confidence would of gone up and he would have improved his accuracy to be have wanted by teams for a back up tryout deal.
 
POP said:
And to think I thought the drafting of JM could mark the beginning of the end of Browns futility.

All it did was compound it greatly.

Is there any hotter mess than JM and his stint in cLEAVEland?

And Justin Gilbert is nearly as big of bust.

And, to be frank, even with their 20 draft picks, I am not sure they did all that great this year in the draft. Two good DL prospects, like 10 WRs and a pop gun armed QB.
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I agree with and liked your post - but you do realize that you said "pop gun armed" as though pop is a dirty word?
 
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