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[AggieSteel]

Buck the trend of losing to lesser opponents and SN will be a lot happier

This is my thing

We can see it. We all know it's coming. We "joke" about it when that type of game is coming up on the schedule, but it's not really a joke because we KNOW the team will struggle. If we can see it coming from miles away as fans, I do not see how the coaches can't figure out a way to get the message thru these guys' skulls that they need to play just as hard, and be just as mentally focused and energized for the game as they are for every other game. It's frustrating.

And we can say "they don't do anything different in practice" but it's not what they do that affects them - it's how they approach it. There is no way to objectively measure the thoughts in a players mind, the level of desire in a players heart. All we see is loss after loss when heavily favored, and the best version of us against the best teams. I can't help but conclude, after years of this, that it's a focus/desire/effort/heart thing. I don't know how it can be seen any other way.

So yes - if MT can correct this, and figure out how to adjust in-game when things aren't working (his other major shortcoming as coach) then I will be happy as a clam.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Jon Gruden.

We forget that the Raiders in the "tuck rule" game were coached by Jon Gruden. He was just 38 at the time. He has a career .540 winning percentage, a lifetime 5-4 record in the playoffs, took teams to the playoffs with QB's like Rich Gannon, Jeff Garcia, and Brian Griese, and won a SB with Brad Johnson at QB.

Knowledgeable, hard-working, successful with mediocre QB's, a coach who knows how to use the running game to help the passing game, a coach who took a staggering Raiders franchise and made it one of the better teams in the league, and who made Tampa Bay a perennial playoff contender despite highly mediocre QB's.

When the names Gruden or Cohwer come up[ I wonder about the reality of that happening and if they still have the drive to be a Head Coach. Has their time off made them soft not just physically but also mentally ??? It is brutal scheduling time / energy / appearances / drafting / etc. etc. and that does take it's toll on an individual. I truely don't see Bill coming back to ever coach a nfl team again. John on the other hand is on the edge and his COACHING clock is ticking away. He may still be able.




Salute the nation

 

[mightyguru]

I think McCarthy has worked with less talent (outside of QB) then Tomlin has. Not saying McCarthy's all that, but in the lwoB repuS, he clearly outcoached Tomlin. That really can't be argued.

Disagree. No Pouncey (resulting in a tipped pass int. pick 6) and Mendy fumbled as we were going for the lead.

 

[nitsuj1225]

This is my thing

We can see it. We all know it's coming. We "joke" about it when that type of game is coming up on the schedule, but it's not really a joke because we KNOW the team will struggle. If we can see it coming from miles away as fans, I do not see how the coaches can't figure out a way to get the message thru these guys' skulls that they need to play just as hard, and be just as mentally focused and energized for the game as they are for every other game. It's frustrating.

And we can say "they don't do anything different in practice" but it's not what they do that affects them - it's how they approach it. There is no way to objectively measure the thoughts in a players mind, the level of desire in a players heart. All we see is loss after loss when heavily favored, and the best version of us against the best teams. I can't help but conclude, after years of this, that it's a focus/desire/effort/heart thing. I don't know how it can be seen any other way.

So yes - if MT can correct this, and figure out how to adjust in-game when things aren't working (his other major shortcoming as coach) then I will be happy as a clam.

It's this. I'd love to hear how the blind MT supporters defend this.

Let's face it, I'll be the first to admit he's a good coach in today's NFL. He could be a great coach if you fix some of the head scratching moments (losing to bad teams consistently, questionable time management, limited in-game adjustments, not game-planning to your opponent's weakness) which is what makes him so frustrating. Some of the blame goes to Haley and Butler on that as well. You can see the potential against good teams (except the Pats) but time and time again we're let down...by the coaches and ultimately this team. I don't know how any fan who watches week in and week out can deny that.

 

[Steelerfan81]

It's this. I'd love to hear how the blind MT supporters defend this.

Let's face it, I'll be the first to admit he's a good coach in today's NFL. He could be a great coach if you fix some of the head scratching moments (losing to bad teams consistently, questionable time management, limited in-game adjustments, not game-planning to your opponent's weakness) which is what makes him so frustrating. Some of the blame goes to Haley and Butler on that as well. You can see the potential against good teams (except the Pats) but time and time again we're let down...by the coaches and ultimately this team. I don't know how any fan who watches week in and week out can deny that.

No one said he was the greatest of all time. He is a good coach and I don't think he should be run out of town. Every coach has their issues including Tomlin. Can't make in game adjustments, poor clock management, losing to bad teams etc.

At some point we also have to point the finger at Ben when we lose to there bad teams. He gets off to a bad start and just never figures it out. The games @jets and @ravens a couple years ago come to mind.

 

[nitsuj1225]

No one said he was the greatest of all time. He is a good coach and I don't think he should be run out of town. Every coach has their issues including Tomlin. Can't make in game adjustments, poor clock management, losing to bad teams etc.

At some point we also have to point the finger at Ben when we lose to there bad teams. He gets off to a bad start and just never figures it out. The games @jets and @ravens a couple years ago come to mind.

I know you are acknowledging his flaws, my frustration is more directed to people who think it's Tomlin and Belichik as 1a and 1b as coaches in the league. The people who say it's all Ben's fault or it's all Haley's fault and Tomlin is absolved of anything bad that happens with this team...they're on here, I've seen it. For the same reason it's not all Tomlin's fault, it's also not all Ben's or Haley's fault for underachieving. It's a collective cluster **** against bad teams which ultimately starts with the head coach.

After seeing the Packers (McCarthy/Rodgers) dominate a team we just lost to, you can't help but wonder why we couldn't do exactly that and I think that's the kind of final score we were all expecting last week and against every team we're favored by more than 1 TD. Time and time again we're let down and there's no reason to believe it's going to change as long as we're status quo.

 

[Steelerfan81]

The Steelers may have dominated the Bears had the ball bounced their way. There were 7 fumbles in the game on Sunday and the Bears recovered 6 of them. Packers got the early turnovers.

I don't think Belichick is 1a to Tomlin 1b. He's on his own level. Tomlin is on the next tier with 3-4 other coaches.

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[ark steel]

The Steelers may have dominated the Bears had the ball bounced their way. There were 7 fumbles in the game on Sunday and the Bears recovered 6 of them. Packers got the early turnovers.

I don't think Belichick is 1a to Tomlin 1b. He's on his one level. Tomlin is on the next tier with 3-4 other coaches.

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There aren't actually any (or very many) of us that think as ninja said with the 1a and 1b stuff. We acknowledge that he is one of the better coaches in the league and the people they bring up (Harbaugh, Rex, Arians, etc.) are not better when you look objectively or, as I like to think of it the "tomlin lens", where you judge them exactly as you would have Tomlin in whatever occurred. My favorite is the "if he had the talent that is here". He has the talent he has because he put the team together, right? So, he is better at this one thing, but not as good as putting the actual talent on the field? Well, ****-fire, sign me up!

At best, I put the cheater as 1*.

If someone says that Dude A sucks and his job, but Dude A is in the top-5 of their position, why wouldn't someone argue with you? None of us has said he is flawless or the best coach in the league.

As AJ always says, it is the constant negativity towards a good coach that has us defending him. If Ben throws 3 picks, the loss is Tomlin's fault because the game plan sucks or he didn't call a timeout at a certain point.

 

[nitsuj1225]

There aren't actually any (or very many) of us that think as ninja said with the 1a and 1b stuff. We acknowledge that he is one of the better coaches in the league and the people they bring up (Harbaugh, Rex, Arians, etc.) are not better when you look objectively or, as I like to think of it the "tomlin lens", where you judge them exactly as you would have Tomlin in whatever occurred. My favorite is the "if he had the talent that is here". He has the talent he has because he put the team together, right? So, he is better at this one thing, but not as good as putting the actual talent on the field? Well, ****-fire, sign me up!

At best, I put the cheater as 1*.

If someone says that Dude A sucks and his job, but Dude A is in the top-5 of their position, why wouldn't someone argue with you? None of us has said he is flawless or the best coach in the league.

Not sure where Harbaugh, Rex, or Arians came from...I'd rather have Tomlin over those 3 any day.

I mentioned Carroll and Quinn as HC I'd rather have as well as McCarthy and of course Belichik. I also like Sean Payton but mainly as a Haley replacement, not as a HC. I just find it funny that the only reasons I've seen against Carroll and Quinn are their fails in the SB, both against the Pats. They were both in positions late in the game to win against a team Tomlin and this team looks like a deer in headlights against but apparently that's a reason why we SHOULDN'T want them? That logic makes no sense to me. They also seem to gloss over the fact that they were in the damn SB to begin with while Tomlin was watching from home.

As AJ always says, it is the constant negativity towards a good coach that has us defending him. If Ben throws 3 picks, the loss is Tomlin's fault because the game plan sucks or he didn't call a timeout at a certain point.

But MAYBE, just maybe calling that key timeout and/or having the right gameplan on defense would've been enough to overcome Ben's 3 picks. Ever thought about that? To me, that sounds like an excuse that it's then ok for Tomlin to coach poorly because someone had a bad game. So damn, I guess we can't win if Ben throws a couple picks or we lose a couple fumbles. Why try to make halftime adjustments or why not waste a couple timeouts, we're gonna lose anyway. Eh we always lose to the Pats and Ben never plays well on the road so why not play 10 yards off their WR's...it's worked so well in the past.

 

[antdrewjosh]

Not sure where Harbaugh, Rex, or Arians came from...I'd rather have Tomlin over those 3 any day.

I mentioned Carroll and Quinn as HC I'd rather have as well as McCarthy and of course Belichik. I also like Sean Payton but mainly as a Haley replacement, not as a HC. I just find it funny that the only reasons I've seen against Carroll and Quinn are their fails in the SB, both against the Pats. They were both in positions late in the game to win against a team Tomlin and this team looks like a deer in headlights against but apparently that's a reason why we SHOULDN'T want them? That logic makes no sense to me. They also seem to gloss over the fact that they were in the damn SB to begin with while Tomlin was watching from home.



But MAYBE, just maybe calling that key timeout and/or having the right gameplan on defense would've been enough to overcome Ben's 3 picks. Ever thought about that? To me, that sounds like an excuse that it's then ok for Tomlin to coach poorly because someone had a bad game. So damn, I guess we can't win if Ben throws a couple picks or we lose a couple fumbles. Why try to make halftime adjustments or why not waste a couple timeouts, we're gonna lose anyway. Eh we always lose to the Pats and Ben never plays well on the road so why not play 10 yards off their WR's...it's worked so well in the past.

As AJ always says, it is the constant negativity towards a good coach that has us defending him. If Ben throws 3 picks, the loss is Tomlin's fault because the game plan sucks or he didn't call a timeout at a certain point.

See to me its not your response to Ark's quote that makes me defend him..its this. If its Tomlin's fault Ben threw the picks or he threw them becasue of the gameplan. There should be equal amount of good game coach great game plan coach when something goes well..but there is not. Its in spite of him or his coaches that this good game was was achieved. Thats what gets me. No credit but all the blame all the time.

 

[nitsuj1225]

See to me its not your response to Ark's quote that makes me defend him..its this. If its Tomlin's fault Ben threw the picks or he threw them becasue of the gameplan. There should be equal amount of good game coach great game plan coach when something goes well..but there is not. Its in spite of him or his coaches that this good game was was achieved. Thats what gets me. No credit but all the blame all the time.

Then why are you on the complete opposite end of the spectrum and can't even say when the guy screws up? Playing 10 yards off of Pats WR's multiple games was a good idea or was that just Butler's fault? You are just as bad as the people who think Tomlin never does anything right.

I do agree that it's not all MT fault when we lose and sometimes he isn't at fault at all, but he's also not critically exempt after a win...it's a team sport over 4 quarters so typically it's not one person's fault or reason we won either way. I guess I'm not one of the guys you're referring to when you say some people think Ben's picks are Tomlin's fault because I don't. My viewpoint is, I don't understand why it automatically means Ben throwing a few picks is the only reason we lost a game and Tomlin is exempt from criticism from certain people. Or that just because we won, everything must have went perfect and people are slammed for pointing out anything that went wrong during a win when most of us just want whoever is the coach to get the best out of the team.

IMO, some aspects of coaching are mutually exclusive of some on field plays like fluke fumbles, bad officiating, Ben having some bad throws, WR drops, blocked kicks. So IMO, Tomlin can and should be judged on a game by game basis NO MATTER THE OUTCOME on things that a HC has the most control over like game-planning, clock management, in-game adjustments, and overall preparedness for the opponent.

As a fan who watches 99% of Steelers games, I don't see how Tomlin is the option for the Steelers if you strictly judge him on those things alone. I gave him the benefit of the doubt for years and defended him thinking he could learn from his mistakes and turn things around. The final straw for me was with the total level of unpreparedness and horrible gameplan AGAIN against the Pats last season and continuing this season we have shown status quo against inferior opponents with arguably the best overall roster since the last SB win.

I don't think he's on the hot seat just because that's not how the Steelers operate, for better or worse I guess. But I certainly wouldn't be against shaking things up on the coaching staff front if given the right opportunity for a promising replacement.

 

[slashsteel]

Then why are you on the complete opposite end of the spectrum and can't even say when the guy screws up? Playing 10 yards off of Pats WR's multiple games was a good idea or was that just Butler's fault? You are just as bad as the people who think Tomlin never does anything right.

I do agree that it's not all MT fault when we lose and sometimes he isn't at fault at all, but he's also not critically exempt after a win...it's a team sport over 4 quarters so typically it's not one person's fault or reason we won either way. I guess I'm not one of the guys you're referring to when you say some people think Ben's picks are Tomlin's fault because I don't. My viewpoint is, I don't understand why it automatically means Ben throwing a few picks is the only reason we lost a game and Tomlin is exempt from criticism from certain people. Or that just because we won, everything must have went perfect and people are slammed for pointing out anything that went wrong during a win when most of us just want whoever is the coach to get the best out of the team.

IMO, some aspects of coaching are mutually exclusive of some on field plays like fluke fumbles, bad officiating, Ben having some bad throws, WR drops, blocked kicks. So IMO, Tomlin can and should be judged on a game by game basis NO MATTER THE OUTCOME on things that a HC has the most control over like game-planning, clock management, in-game adjustments, and overall preparedness for the opponent.

As a fan who watches 99% of Steelers games, I don't see how Tomlin is the option for the Steelers if you strictly judge him on those things alone. I gave him the benefit of the doubt for years and defended him thinking he could learn from his mistakes and turn things around. The final straw for me was with the total level of unpreparedness and horrible gameplan AGAIN against the Pats last season and continuing this season we have shown status quo against inferior opponents with arguably the best overall roster since the last SB win.

I don't think he's on the hot seat just because that's not how the Steelers operate, for better or worse I guess. But I certainly wouldn't be against shaking things up on the coaching staff front if given the right opportunity for a promising replacement.

Yinz debating with the wrong person about Tomlin with drew. He only believes in blaming players no matter what the situation is.........

 

[antdrewjosh]

Yinz debating with the wrong person about Tomlin with drew. He only believes in blaming players no matter what the situation is.........

And why do i feel supposedly feel this way?

 

[ark steel]

Playing 10 yards off of Pats WR's multiple games was a good idea or was that just Butler's fault?

As for this, what I point to is that all the other teams are trying the same things you guys want Bulter/Tomlin to do. Same results, for the most part. By "results", I mean the *'s score about the same amount of points. Maybe Brady doesn't throw for 300+ yards, but Blount, who at no point in his career had three seasons total for 18 TD's, had 18TDs in what many would consider the twilight of his career.....So, you can take that for what it is worth. That and $2 will get you thrown out of Starbucks

In addition, the above had NOTHING to do with the Offense scoring 17 points.

Oh and the *'s are cheating *************.

 

[nitsuj1225]

Oh and the *'s are cheating *************.

One thing we can all agree on

 

[slashsteel]

And why do i feel supposedly feel this way?

thats yinz view on head coaches..... so no sense debating Tomlin with you ever.

I think that is a fair assessment?

 

[antdrewjosh]

thats yinz view on head coaches..... so no sense debating Tomlin with you ever.

I think that is a fair assessment?

No its yours and thats ok too

 

[slashsteel]

No its yours and thats ok too

Thought that was a obvious known. But yinz play it like however you want. But if we are 10 out of 10 times debating Tomlin, you will point a finger elsewhere. Don't do a poll on it, you might be shocked of the results.

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[AggieSteel]

Consider a simple hypothetical:
Alabama, who we all know is riddled with talent and great coaching up and down their roster, and proves it almost every week, travels to Vanderbilt. In this game, many players who usually play well for Saban are fumbling, making mental errors, and generally showing a lack of effort. Bama blows their undefeated season in an unfathomable loss to a bottom dweller in their conference.

Would your mind not immediately and go to Saban and think "what was he telling, or not telling, these kids this week that made them lay an egg like this?"

The talent disparity is obviously there, as logic and our eyes tell us every other week. So what changed this week?

If it was the same player making mistakes and hurting the team, you'd point to that player. But many players are ALL lacking focus and hurting the team enough for them to lose to Vanderbilt, then that's a team wide thing. Coaches (the HC) have influence team wide over the mentality of the team. Not individual guys.

I know the NFL is different and the talent gap isn't that wide. But there IS talent disparity between the Steelers and the teams we lose to. There just is. Sometimes big ones, like last week. So maybe the exaggerated hypothetical will help illustrate the principal of it


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[antdrewjosh]

Thought that was a obvious known. But yinz play it like however you want. But if we are 10 out of 10 times debating Tomlin, you will point a finger elsewhere. Don't do a poll on it, you might be shocked of the results.

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Why would i be shocked and i have no problem with it.. it is my stance that you cant tell much of anything about what a coach does thru out the week on the sidelines at the half from your tv sets. Execept the obvioius situtations going for it on 4th kicking the fg and other things of that nature. Speculating on whether a coach has his team ready based on what happens in the first few minutes of a 60 minute game makes no sense to me.

I dont agree with everything he does. I would be more balanced offense. Way more. I hate 3rd and short shotgun empty backfield formations. But just becasue i dont like something doesnt make me right. They practice it so come game time execute it. Nor just because i dont like it doesnt make someone a goof or bad coach.

 

[ark steel]

Consider a simple hypothetical:
Alabama, who we all know is riddled with talent and great coaching up and down their roster, and proves it almost every week, travels to Vanderbilt. In this game, many players who usually play well for Saban are fumbling, making mental errors, and generally showing a lack of effort. Bama blows their undefeated season in an unfathomable loss to a bottom dweller in their conference.

Would your mind not immediately and go to Saban and think "what was he telling, or not telling, these kids this week that made them lay an egg like this?"

The talent disparity is obviously there, as logic and our eyes tell us every other week. So what changed this week?

If it was the same player making mistakes and hurting the team, you'd point to that player. But many players are ALL lacking focus and hurting the team enough for them to lose to Vanderbilt, then that's a team wide thing. Coaches (the HC) have influence team wide over the mentality of the team. Not individual guys.

I know the NFL is different and the talent gap isn't that wide. But there IS talent disparity between the Steelers and the teams we lose to. There just is. Sometimes big ones, like last week. So maybe the exaggerated hypothetical will help illustrate the principal of it

Why would it? He, normally, gets the most, or more, out of them. A few games here or there and they, as a group, **** the bed. What could he have possibly told them for them to think that is OK to do?

It is VERY odd and I cannot explain it. I know (well, I should say it is a good assumption) that Tomlin doesn't tell the guys "Men, let's take it easy out there, this is a piece of cake team and we don't want anyone hurt". I would expect they practice the same for these games as they do others. I would expect the professional players don't have the same attitude.

Seems to me that blame goes to everyone and not just the coach or the players. Receivers drop balls they should catch, the QB over/underthrows balls where he would normally be on target. The whole Offense, including Ben underperforms.

In the 5 losses in 2016, the offense scored less than 17 points 4 times. In those four games, Ben's QR was 62.4. 57.10, Did not Play, 67.30. It is not all Ben's fault for the poor QR. A bunch of dropped balls will do that to you. Throw in some int's and it gets worse, Since we all know the Offense goes as Ben goes, it is unsurprising that these were losses.

BTW, In the road games, Ben threw 8 of his 13 interceptions in 2016. 4 of those 8 interceptions came in 3 of those four games we scored less than 17 points. Three came on the road in Buffalo, which we, oddly, won.

Anyway, it is an all around weird situation with no easy answer, IMO. When that many are ******* up, you can't bench them all.

 

[antdrewjosh]

Consider a simple hypothetical:
Alabama, who we all know is riddled with talent and great coaching up and down their roster, and proves it almost every week, travels to Vanderbilt. In this game, many players who usually play well for Saban are fumbling, making mental errors, and generally showing a lack of effort. Bama blows their undefeated season in an unfathomable loss to a bottom dweller in their conference.

Would your mind not immediately and go to Saban and think "what was he telling, or not telling, these kids this week that made them lay an egg like this?"

The talent disparity is obviously there, as logic and our eyes tell us every other week. So what changed this week?

If it was the same player making mistakes and hurting the team, you'd point to that player. But many players are ALL lacking focus and hurting the team enough for them to lose to Vanderbilt, then that's a team wide thing. Coaches (the HC) have influence team wide over the mentality of the team. Not individual guys.

I know the NFL is different and the talent gap isn't that wide. But there IS talent disparity between the Steelers and the teams we lose to. There just is. Sometimes big ones, like last week. So maybe the exaggerated hypothetical will help illustrate the principal of it


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And in my eyes the last person i would blame is Saban. He has a proven track record. Why i would i think he did anything differently then he always does..the players stunk up the joint

 

[slashsteel]

Why would i be shocked and i have no problem with it.. it is my stance that you cant tell much of anything about what a coach does thru out the week on the sidelines at the half from your tv sets. Execept the obvioius situtations going for it on 4th kicking the fg and other things of that nature. Speculating on whether a coach has his team ready based on what happens in the first few minutes of a 60 minute game makes no sense to me.

I dont agree with everything he does. I would be more balanced offense. Way more. I hate 3rd and short shotgun empty backfield formations. But just becasue i dont like something doesnt make me right. They practice it so come game time execute it. Nor just because i dont like it doesnt make someone a goof or bad coach.

On the road they simply need to tweak whatever the approach they have been throwing out there. As more often than not they are struggling. If it is your QB, you go with high percentage plays. At half time you see what is not working for you. And adjust. Whether it is scheme personnel or both. As far as what the coach does throughout the week. You can tell what is working and what isn't. But none of that matters what we think, the head coach needs to be able to tell what isn't working and adjust.

If they players need to get a kick in the *** (by motivation) you do it. If they are sloppy technique wise you tweak it. If a player needs to be spelled more you spell them. Regardless if this is the norm or not here, it need to be done.

More adjustments more more more more.

Because there hasn't been a impressive game yet, and they are 4 games in.

Coach needs to coach better and the players need to play better.

I think Tomlin would be the first one to tell you that.

 

[AggieSteel]

It is VERY odd and I cannot explain it. I know (well, I should say it is a good assumption) that Tomlin doesn't tell the guys "Men, let's take it easy out there, this is a piece of cake team and we don't want anyone hurt". I would expect they practice the same for these games as they do others. I would expect the professional players don't have the same attitude..

Yeah maybe Saban was a bad example, but the point was that when there are MANY players (not just one or two) who fall SO OVERWHELMINGLY SHORT of what you have come to expect, you might conclude that their guidance/leadership is lacking that week that allowed so many to lose focus. But yeah, prob a bad example.

But to the part I quoted. You're right. I am 10000% certain that Tomlin doesn't actively communicate that we should take bad teams lightly. In fact, I'll bet that the messaging is most of the same that the messaging is every other week. But the reality that plays out before us week after week is players sky high for big games and rock bottom for bad games. Part of coaching is knowing your teams' tendencies. I would suggest that, while the defense is "the message is the same", maybe the message needs to be different. Maybe every week must be treated like a new week, a new opponent, a new set of circumstances, a new state of mind. Every week must be approached with the unique circumstances and mentalities of the players in mind.

For instance, this week players are probably mad because they lost a game they shouldn't have, so the coach should find a way to channel anger into productivity and focus for the opponent at hand, rather than letting it become destructive anger and allowing players to lose emotional control, which can happen. LAST week, the players were coming off a nice, fairly easy home W against a respectable opponent. They were feeling good about themselves, and we know what this team does when they feel good about themselves and face an inferior team. That's when you ride them hardest. That's when you don't let the slightest imperfection slide in practice. That's when the message is that this next game is our Super Bowl. Not just "the next week". When you KNOW your weaknesses, then maybe sometimes you need to compensate for that.

Look I'm not a coach, I'm not suggesting I know the answer or that I'm 100% right. This is just my attempt at a new approach, a solution to the *** poundings we take in the standings every year because we're not ready for the games we are supposed to win.

 

[antdrewjosh]

On the road they simply need to tweak whatever the approach they have been throwing out there. As more often than not they are struggling. If it is your QB, you go with high percentage plays. At half time you see what is not working for you. And adjust. Whether it is scheme personnel or both. As far as what the coach does throughout the week. You can tell what is working and what isn't. But none of that matters what we think, the head coach needs to be able to tell what isn't working and adjust.

If they players need to get a kick in the *** (by motivation) you do it. If they are sloppy technique wise you tweak it. If a player needs to be spelled more you spell them. Regardless if this is the norm or not here, it need to be done.

More adjustments more more more more.

Because there hasn't been a impressive game yet, and they are 4 games in.

Coach needs to coach better and the players need to play better.

I think Tomlin would be the first one to tell you that.

Or the players can you know play better