Jason Whitlock confirms he's an idiot

[steelermania]

Sean Payton? Puhleeze

Hasn't won a playoff game since 2009. One loss away from his third straight losing season. This despite having a true elite qb.
As for "The Bruce", nice season they're having isn't it. Belicheat is at the top by himself. After him, there's a group of 4-5 good, but flawed guys. Tomlin is part of this group, along with Harbaugh, Carroll, Reid, and McCarthy. Next comes a group of guys who either are falling (Payton), are rising (Del Rio), or are just above average (Garrett, Kubiak, Bruce, O'Brien, etc.). The rest are either mediocre (Lewis, Pagano), too early to be sure (Jackson, Gase), or truly horrible (Chip Kelly).

 

[steelermania]

Steeler Nation with the reply. Seriously, Marvin Lewis' undisciplined, never-achievers over Tomlin?

Also, unless I am mistaken, didn't Belichick and Carroll in their first professional head coaching assignments? And only later use that experience to become very successful head coaches?

So wouldn't that put Tomlin ahead of the game in comparison?

I'm not one who considers Marvin Lewis to be some horrible coach. I remember very well what the Bungles were before he got there, and under many different coaches. Plus, he's won with a slightly above average qb, one that I would place well behind Joe Flacco. That said, he's in no way an elite coach, and he would be well served by moving on, just as Andy Reid did from Philly. Would I hire Lewis to coach any of the better teams? No, but I'd consider him if I was running one of the train wrecks. 9 or 10 wins, and a playoff loss would look good in Jacksonville, or LA. Jacksonville is probably going to lose their team if they don't get rolling soon. It wouldn't hurt for them to be a second level contender that could fill their stadium.

 

[mightyguru]

some fat **** troll "sports journalist" who gets fired from every post he's had.

You coulda stopped at fat **** troll.

 

[thesteelcity]

his list is funny. Put in Arians and Lewis in the "good" category and bump all the coaches in the good section up to the "very good" section.

 

[ark steel]

I'd say he won with Dungy's and Caldwell's players since it was Pagano's first year.

So Arians had nothing to do with Palmer's improved play the past 2 years.

I've shown in another thread how much different the Pagano team was than the one the year before. That was the very definition of winning another coach's team. Colts went 11-5 (or something like that) for the two years after Arians left, too...

Arians may or may not be a good HC (I think he is above average, probably). Accolades used to mean nothing, unless someone downplays Arians, I guess. He has the #5 rusher in the league, the #9 passer (by yards, anyway) in the league and is 6-8-1 this year. Four of those losses to teams that, at this point in the season, have losing records. The ****** Tomlin has one loss against a team that finished with a losing record.

 

[deljzc]

To me, there are not many good coaches, period. I don't know what happens at the NFL level but the amount of lateral movement and "good ole boys" networking means coaches are regurgitated constantly. And there is something odd with the power struggles/egos of owners, GM's AND coaches that seems to lend itself to general dumb *** decisions everywhere.

Also good coaches are way too tied to their quarterback situation & stability.

I have my list of all-time coaches. And you'd be surprised how quickly what I consider "great" kind of dries up into a group that all have weaknesses and flaws on their resumes. Without talking about the pre-1960's era, I probably only have EIGHT who I think should be in the hall-of-fame:

Walsh, Lombardi, Belichick, Noll, Gibbs, Shula, Landry and Parcells. That's it.

There are so many criteria that kind of goes into being a great coach. And that profession has evolved into being required to wear a lot of hats. It is hard to find people that are good at all of it.

I know the Hall-of-fame committee wants a lot more than that in the hall, so they lower what they like and it opens up debate for 20-30 more coaches, probably including Tomlin. I don't agree but that's me.

 

[steelhurt]

The entire list is a joke. Another idiot with another idiot opinion.

 

[wig]

I just can't get behind Bellichick. Sorry. Too many skeletons in his closet. Sure he's won some games but how?

 

[Coryea]

I just can't get behind Bellichick. Sorry. Too many skeletons in his closet. Sure he's won some games but how?

And yet no one ever brings that up.

 

[Superman]

Jason Whitlock is only still on tv because he's a black sports journalist. If he were white, he'd be changing careers due to his ignorance on so many subjects.

 

[GRBman]

Marvi Lewis should be fired or retire Paul Brown let 3 solid assisants go to keep this useless moron.

He's been dead since 1991...

 

[steelermania]

He's been dead since 1991...

and not surprisingly, the Bungles have done little since he died. I really hope to see Lewis fired, because I'm still not sure if he's the problem, or if he's actually worked a miracle having decent teams with Mike Brown running the show.

 

[steelermania]

Jason Whitlock is only still on tv because he's a black sports journalist. If he were white, he'd be changing careers due to his ignorance on so many subjects.

Yeah, he sucks, but it's not like there aren't more than few white guys who suck as well, and seem to keep a job. In fact, how many of these clowns are really worth a damn.

 

[steelermania]

To me, there are not many good coaches, period. I don't know what happens at the NFL level but the amount of lateral movement and "good ole boys" networking means coaches are regurgitated constantly. And there is something odd with the power struggles/egos of owners, GM's AND coaches that seems to lend itself to general dumb *** decisions everywhere.

Also good coaches are way too tied to their quarterback situation & stability.

I have my list of all-time coaches. And you'd be surprised how quickly what I consider "great" kind of dries up into a group that all have weaknesses and flaws on their resumes. Without talking about the pre-1960's era, I probably only have EIGHT who I think should be in the hall-of-fame:

Walsh, Lombardi, Belichick, Noll, Gibbs, Shula, Landry and Parcells. That's it.

There are so many criteria that kind of goes into being a great coach. And that profession has evolved into being required to wear a lot of hats. It is hard to find people that are good at all of it.

I know the Hall-of-fame committee wants a lot more than that in the hall, so they lower what they like and it opens up debate for 20-30 more coaches, probably including Tomlin. I don't agree but that's me.

I also think Parcells is somewhat overrated. What has he ever done without Bellicheat on his staff? Coaching the Giants, along with his larger than life personality has really boosted his reputation. Based on the current criteria, if Tomlin wins another Lombardi, he'll be getting a gold jacket. I don't think any coach with three appearances in the SB isn't in the Hall. That said, I wouldn't have had a problem if the Hall was reserved for only the truly elite, including players. This would bounce several Steelers though. Probably Bettis, as well as Swann and Stallworth. Dermontti probably would be out, and Hines Ward would have no chance. Even Bradshaw would be borderline.

 

[deljzc]

Football has so many "parts" that can be debated about their the "value" towards a championship caliber team: ownership, GM, head coach, assistant coaches, quarterback, skill positions and trench positions.

To me the hall-of-fame is about the players - first and foremost. I don't mind recognition of the other parts (ownership, GM, head coach and assistant coaches), but to me to get in to the hall-of-fame at one of those professions, you really need to make a HUGE impact on the game. Not just be very good at your craft. And certainly not just a numbers game.

Again, just my opinion. I don't think people go to hall-of-fames for coaches. They go for the players. Part of the allure of players is we see them physically matched up against their peers. We see them beat the guy in front of them at sport. Coaches don't do that. So unless it's a defining coaching achievement that is almost universally accepted, I don't like coaches getting in.

Parcells is the last of the group, so he's the bubble/line. I agree. If you want to be tougher than me and say he's "out", I won't argue hard with you. We can have differing opinions. However you start wanting the next "tier" of coaches that is probably 10-15 deep and bump the number of coaches in the hall of fame from my 8 to 20+ more (and this is modern era coaches, I think people like Lambeau, Halas and Brown are in as "founders" of the game), then you are watering down what being in the hall-of-fame is about.

Players is one thing. I think we could have more players in the hall. Coaches are another.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

Jason Whitlock is only still on tv because he's a black sports journalist. If he were white, he'd be changing careers due to his ignorance on so many subjects.

Skip Bayless is still employed ....

Edit: And so is that clown on NFL Network who said Ben wanted out of Pittsburgh.

 

[Ike Kelly]

Skip Bayless is still employed ....

Edit: And so is that clown on NFL Network who said Ben wanted out of Pittsburgh.

Rappaport. Who wants to be another Schefter, who stole Mort Anderson role, while he was battling cancer.


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