Is This the Best Coached Team in Steeler History?

[Vader]

I see that too. It's much tougher to play defense in today's NFL and it's a reason why teams are scoring more. Though this team, with Ben at the helm, and the talent assembled around him, is a standard deviation above what should be the norm now-a-days. I just don't believe it's on the same level with the Steelers offenses you mentioned previously. I'd only say it's comparable to last year's offense.

It's a top offense no doubt. But they fall in line with other good offenses the Steelers have had especially if you take into consideration the rules changes and the changes in the game.

 

[Coach]

Noll won four rings in 6 years. It is blasphemy to even suggest this. Sure, that team was stacked, but winning 4 rings in 6 years is an incredible feat.

Noll took a team of losers and made them winners.

Tomlin inherited a super bowl team and has not won a playoff game in 4 years...

There is no comparison.

 

[POP]

I don't disagree with your assessment, but I also don't discredit the steelers for putting this offense together to take advantage of the rules today.

Not just the rules today; we happen to have a Hall of Fame QB throwing the rock out there.

 

[POP]

Noll took a team of losers and made them winners.

Tomlin inherited a super bowl team and has not won a playoff game in 4 years...

There is no comparison.

Not quite accurate. Noll took a team of losers and PURGED THE **** OUT THE TEAM, and found immense talent and built it. It's not like many (any?) of the players Noll started with were part of those SB teams. Yes, he built the team into arguably the best ever, but it's not like he used the former loser players to do it.

 

[SteelerSask2]

I'm really tired of a loss he is the worst and a win he is the greatest. Best coaching job ever. Really c'mon. Grow up and dream on. But at the same time he is not and will not be fired despite my opinion. If they make the playoffs deservedly so considering the injuries. This teams secondary is dreadful. And that is my problem with Tomlin in a nutshell. He cannot fix a problem with a unit in season. He can only repair with an off season talent fix or coach change. If you look at Seattle's Oline from season start to now. That is coaching. If you see how a guy like Belicheat hides a complete lack of talent in some units schematicly that is great coaching.

 

[Hobbster]

Noll took a team of losers and made them winners.

Tomlin inherited a super bowl team and has not won a playoff game in 4 years...

There is no comparison.

You need to seriously stop posting, you don't have a clue about most things, but least of all football.

 

[Stryker]

It's a top offense no doubt. But they fall in line with other good offenses the Steelers have had especially if you take into consideration the rules changes and the changes in the game.

I understand the rule changes have severely helped the offenses, but a good point of reference to how this offense compares to other offenses, you have to rate it against their peers in that season. I think before last year 1979 was the only year we were top 3 in total offense. I can put this offense on par with that Bradshaw/Swann/Stallworth/Franco team for talent and production. I can't put them on par with Maddox, Kordell, or O'Donnell's teams. The talent across the board at the skill positions, just isn't there for those teams, nor were those teams viewed as a threat to kill you on offense. I just see this team as being more special on offense than the other teams mentioned (except for 1979).

 

[Vader]

I understand the rule changes have severely helped the offenses, but a good point of reference to how this offense compares to other offenses, you have to rate it against their peers in that season. I think before last year 1979 was the only year we were top 3 in total offense. I can put this offense on par with that Bradshaw/Swann/Stallworth/Franco team for talent and production. I can't put them on par with Maddox, Kordell, or O'Donnell's teams. The talent across the board at the skill positions, just isn't there for those teams, nor were those teams viewed as a threat to kill you on offense. I just see this team as being more special on offense than the other teams mentioned (except for 1979).

You're conflating several things here. You take total offense (not points scored) then start talking about talent positions then wrap it up with "special". Fact is that this offense (as related to other teams) is about the same as other good Steelers offenses. They aren't the 07' pats**** or anywhere near the top offense's in the SB era.

 

[Punxsutawney]

You're conflating several things here. You take total offense (not points scored) then start talking about talent positions then wrap it up with "special". Fact is that this offense (as related to other teams) is about the same as other good Steelers offenses. They aren't the 07' pats**** or anywhere near the top offense's in the SB era.

They've been pretty unstoppable with Ben fully healthy.

Since the late 1970s, I'm not sure there's been another Steelers' offense capable of steamrolling opponents like this one,

 

[Vader]

They've been pretty unstoppable with Ben fully healthy.

Since the late 1970s, I'm not sure there's been another Steelers' offense capable of steamrolling opponents like this one,

"pretty" unstoppable but not unstoppable. Remember this is the offense that scored 14 (real points not scored 1 second before the end of the game) against the pats*****. They scored 12 points against the Rams with Ben and Bell. We'll see how they end up.

 

[Punxsutawney]

"pretty" unstoppable but not unstoppable. Remember this is the offense that scored 14 (real points not scored 1 second before the end of the game) against the pats*****. They scored 12 points against the Rams with Ben and Bell. We'll see how they end up.

Bryant did not play against the Patriots or Rams. He's a major factor.

Even without Bryant, they moved the ball pretty much at will against the Patriots, but shot themselves in the foot in scoring position (Heyward-Bey stepping out in the end zone and Beachum false starting at the goal line).

 

[Vader]

Bryant did not play against the Patriots or Rams. He's a major factor.

Even without Bryant, they moved the ball pretty much at will against the Patriots, but shot themselves in the foot in scoring position (Heyward-Bey stepping out in the end zone and Beachum false starting at the goal line).

Like I said Ben was health against the pats**** and the Rams until late in the game. Now you've moved from a healthy Ben to Bryant. Which is it? There are always points left on the field. The pats*** left at least 14 points on the field with 2 dropped passes to wide open WRs. I'm sure every offense in the league has left tons of points on the field. I'm not going to add them all up. The books say that the Steelers are a good offense but aren't some great juggernaut that can't be stopped. They were stopped last year by the Jets, TB etc... They've been stopped this year with a health Ben. We'll see how they do.

 

[Punxsutawney]

Like I said Ben was health against the pats**** and the Rams until late in the game. Now you've moved from a healthy Ben to Bryant. Which is it?There are always points left on the field. The pats*** left at least 14 points on the field with 2 dropped passes to wide open WRs. I'm sure every offense in the league has left tons of points on the field. I'm not going to add them all up. The books say that the Steelers are a good offense but aren't some great juggernaut that can't be stopped. They were stopped last year by the Jets, TB etc... They've been stopped this year with a health Ben. We'll see how they do.

Both.

Bryant is the perfect complement to Brown in that he destroys single coverage, and Brown would probably be closing in on 2000 receiving yards had Ben not missed those games.

Also, Wheaton may be the best/most dangerous number three in the game.

With as pass-oriented as the game has become and how Ben has evolved as a passer, this offense has the potential to be special in a historic context.

Deangelo Williams has been great, but with full seasons from Leveon Bell and Ben, this is the 1999 Rams.

 

[CoolieMan]

I wasn't talking about greatest team or career coaching, so 4 Super Bowls in 6 has nothing to do with this.

And the year is still a work in progress, but if this team gets to Super Bowl, I think it is better coached than
any previous year because it will have exceeded expectations by more than any other. Our secondary talent alone is
probably in the bottom 25% of the teams.

One thing Tomlin doesn't get any credit for is being able to have assistants that were former head coaches. That can be a delicate ego
balance, that he doesn't seem to have a problem handling.

this still doesn't make your thread any better.

 

[Stryker]

Come on now, teams can improve as the season progresses. We weren't consistently scoring 30 early on, but the last 6 games, they're passing the 30pt mark. The fact that Vick and Landry Jones had to run this team for 4 weeks is the only reason why this offense isn't in the conversation with some of the great offenses. Ben is averaging more YPG this year than Brady did in 2007.

If I need a steelers offense to get me points due to a porous defense, this is the one I want.

 

[Vader]

Both.

Bryant is the perfect complement to Brown in that he destroys single coverage, and Brown would probably be closing in on 2000 receiving yards had Ben not missed those games.

Also, Wheaton may be the best/most dangerous number three in the game.

With as pass-oriented as the game has become and how Ben has evolved as a passer, this offense has the potential to be special in a historic context.

Deangelo Williams has been great, but with full seasons from Leveon Bell and Ben, this is the 1999 Rams.

We'll just disagree. I don't see the 99' Rams. Again, they had all their parts last year and were hammered several times. Who knows what would have happened if the Broncos weren't missing their top 2 safeties and had Manning healthy? You can always play the "what if" game.

I really don't understand this correlation with the Rams or any other high scoring offense. The 99' Rams scored 33 PPG. That's almost a TD a game more than this offense. This offense is much closer to their own good offenses of 95', 97', 01'.. etc... They are only a couple of points difference in them and standard Steeler good offenses. But they are an entire TD per game off of the Rams. And even further away from the other historical offenses. Hell they aren't even the best offense in today's game.

 

[MTC]

For as much as this TEAM has gone through, TOMLIN is a big part of it. NO this is not the best coached steelers team,....ever. This team has a long way to go and the SB talk, is just that,....talk. One game at a time, win and the rest will take care of itself. When Tomlin gets to 4, then we'll talk.




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Even if Tomlin wins it all with this team. I still don't think this would be the best coached team. The NFL currently caters to offenses. Just the nature of the game now. The Steelers organization has always adapted accordingly even if it took a couple missed playoff seasons. The Steelers don't surprise me with how they are playing right now. It's just expected out of them

 

[Punxsutawney]

We'll just disagree. I don't see the 99' Rams. Again, they had all their parts last year and were hammered several times. Who knows what would have happened if the Broncos weren't missing their top 2 safeties and had Manning healthy? You can always play the "what if" game.

I really don't understand this correlation with the Rams or any other high scoring offense. The 99' Rams scored 33 PPG. That's almost a TD a game more than this offense. This offense is much closer to their own good offenses of 95', 97', 01'.. etc... They are only a couple of points difference in them and standard Steeler good offenses. But they are an entire TD per game off of the Rams. And even further away from the other historical offenses. Hell they aren't even the best offense in today's game.

They're averaging 36 points over the past six weeks. It took them awhile to get everything together with all the injuries and suspensions.

Like you said, we'll just disagree, but there isn't an offense in the game right now I'd take over this one. I think they'd be challenging records if Ben, Bell and Bryant played all season.

 

[Vader]

They're averaging 36 points over the past six weeks. It took them awhile to get everything together with all the injuries and suspensions.

Like you said, we'll just disagree, but there isn't an offense in the game right now I'd take over this one. I think they'd be challenging records if Ben, Bell and Bryant played all season.

They are averaging 35 (but what's a point here and there). Still it's a small sample and if you allow other teams to do that then you're right back where we started. 6 games isn't even half a year. We will see how they do in the playoffs.

 

[papillon]

It took me a couple of minutes to realize that you were actually serious there 21...then I had a good laugh. Noll is definitely the standard bearer. I wish that Tomlin was 1/2 the coach that Noll was.

After the Steelers win the Super Bowl this year he will be. :beer:

Papillon

 

[DBS1970]

Not no but hell no.

Cowher got us to a lot of playoff victories and championship games with a mediocre QB.

 

[Stryker]

I do like that they are scoring more at the end of the season against better defenses. The arrow is pointing up heading towards the playoffs.

 

[stillwright]

I do like that they are scoring more at the end of the season against better defenses. The arrow is pointing up heading towards the playoffs.

That is what I see as the biggest difference between this Offense and the Great offense's. Scoring in the RZ. For us to be elite and rank up there with the best we have to improve in this area. I agree it has been nice that it seems we are coming away with TD's as of late.

 

[Stlrs4Life]

Our Super Bowl teams were loaded with talent. This year started with us having one of the toughest schedules and two key players suspended for the start of the season. Then we lose our kicker in pre-season, our Pro Bowl center, our Pro Bowl running back ( some consider best all round back in league, left tackle and have a secondary near the bottom in talent deficiency in the league, yet we are now being talked about as a realistic Super Bowl contender.

All the credit doesn't go to Tomlin when:
Munchak has line performing solidly after losing two of the best of our starters
Haley has the offense racking up points and yards ( I think he will be in running for Indy job)
Butler has improved the defense from a year ago and has to work with the before mentioned talent short secondary

but Tomlin deserves some. And they are doing it with all those awful draft picks.

We'll see how the season finishes, but if we fix the secondary this team is a contender for years to come and these coaches
aren't going anywhere unless someone else offers them a promotion.

Could be, answer will be on Feb. 8th.

 

[Vader]

They're averaging 36 points over the past six weeks. It took them awhile to get everything together with all the injuries and suspensions.

Like you said, we'll just disagree, but there isn't an offense in the game right now I'd take over this one. I think they'd be challenging records if Ben, Bell and Bryant played all season.

I'd settle for beating the rats. Like I said, it was a small sample size. The offense is good but it's not great.