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Is the NFL fixed ? - After watching that Bills debacle

6Lombardis said:
And now....Roll the red carpet out for the Pats****** who, if they win today will now play the backup QB to go to the superbowl. Please, Houston, win today
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I'm thinking it's going to be a blowout like Hags v. Niners last night.
 
Djfan said:
I forgot about the whole "survive the ground" thing. I don't know what a catch is anymore
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It's whatever Rog and the refs need it to be.
I'm not saying the whole league is fixed or scripted but I believe they put their thumb on the scales.
 
WindyCitySteel said:
Stroud is playing like a backup QB lately.
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This is a very important thing to remember... a young qb is often not what he shows right away..

Guys come out of the gate great, then end up mediocre or worse, guys look like turds a couple years then get great...

Especially these days where system is everything...
 
carbonsteel said:
That turnover call in OT has to be one of the worst calls I have ever seen . I don’t see how anyone could watch that play - that took away a scoring opportunity that would have determined the winner - and not question whether NFL officiating is determining the outcomes of games.
I’ve just focused on the calls and no calls against the Steelers - but it is much more pervasive than that.
But this? This was just an egregiously terrible call.

Thoughts ?
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I wasn't aware a defender could rip the ball away from a WR on the ground and that is a pick?
Nearly 70% of the money was on Buffalo.
What is better for the books?

Atleast one of the pass interference calls was the proper call. But the game should have been over.

Allen is infuriating. Easy guy to root for seems like such a good dude. First ballot Hall of fame talent. Historic regular season stats. çhokes it away in the playoffs every single year.


McDermott and Tomlin are brothers from another mother.

Defensive collapses in playoffs giving up 30+ every single year, wasting a HOF QB's career.
Get Allen some WR!! Buffalo wr room is worse than ours.
Feel bad for Buffalo fans despite everything that INT was a robbery and they won that game. Just like they Ravens beat us with the Likely TD in the first game.
Nfl is getting hard to watch.
 
When Josh Allen is running around with the ball hanging free in his hand in meaningless seconds in the first half then fumbles.. I can’t feel sorry for them. Just think if Broncos didn’t get those free 3pts at the end of the half. All those penalties were legit I thought, I’ve seen worse not called but they were PIs. The INT could have gone either way, I think it would have went however the ruled it on the field.
 
ZonaBurgh said:
FanDuel and sports betting in general, fantasy football, constantly changing the rule book to where a simple guy like me has to wait for the replay booth to tell me what my eyes just saw. Oh, and free agency creating a need to take out a loan to go to a game.

I miss football from the 70's and have no idea what we have now.
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The product we have now sucks ***. Every year it gets worse with new retarded rules. It's been neutered.

I miss the 70's football as well. What we have now is an overpriced, overhyped bag of flaming dogshit.

I'm sure they'll come up with some more stupid rules and game changes this off-season to **** it up even more.
 
Stainless said:
I felt like it was pretty clearly an interception, but the Josh Allen fumble at the end of the 1st half almost seemed like he just threw it away.
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Allen also overthrew the receiver at the end of regulation on a pass that would have won the game.
 
I thought it was the correct call.
The offensive player did not complete the act of making the catch.
If you take the Denver defender out of the equation, if the receive made the catch, hit the ground and the rolled over, and the ball popped out that would’ve not of been a catch.
He did not secure possession of the ball, whether it was the field causing the lack of possession or the opposing player, causing the lack of possession.
And oh yeah, just to clarify, I had Buff and plus one yesterday.
 
If Allen doesn't play much of the game like C.J. Stroud one call isn't a discussion.
 
Steelmann said:
Exactly Coolie. I’m just not sure what everyone is bitching about. Clear as day has to survive the ground. He didn’t. Defender did. It’s not that his bottom or knee hit and the play is dead. He has to survive the ground. He didn’t.
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This same thing happened in the Texans/cheats game, and the receiver was ruled down by contact with no fumble, because he had possession and had his knee, shin and thigh on the ground.

Can someone please point out how long the NFL rulebook stipulates the receiver must "survive" the ground?
 
mdk2 said:
When Josh Allen is running around with the ball hanging free in his hand in meaningless seconds in the first half then fumbles.. I can’t feel sorry for them. Just think if Broncos didn’t get those free 3pts at the end of the half. All those penalties were legit I thought, I’ve seen worse not called but they were PIs. The INT could have gone either way, I think it would have went however the ruled it on the field.
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I thought it was pass interference on Denver when Cooks was in the endzone. Denver's DB had his left arm 15 yards before they got to the endzone and never did let go.
 
Maybe the Bills got screwed maybe they didn't, but Buffalo can bite me. Seeing all their crying fans around me is glorious!

Oh and last time I checked they didn't feel sorry for us when the NFL ****** us against the P*ts.

For those that don't remember:



Apparently, even if you catch the ball and break the plane of the goal line, it doesn’t count because your elbow hits the turf afterward and the ball moves.
 
Phinnster said:
Maybe the Bills got screwed maybe they didn't, but Buffalo can bite me. Seeing all their crying fans around me is glorious!

Oh and last time I checked they didn't feel sorry for us when the NFL ****** us against the P*ts.

For those that don't remember:



Apparently, even if you catch the ball and break the plane of the goal line, it doesn’t count because your elbow hits the turf afterward and the ball moves.
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That is still at TD.
 
Buffalo didn't come close to getting screwed, at least on the interception. It's baffling to me that so many people feel that was actually a catch by the WR and that he was down by contact. I'm sure there will be people that claim the one play towards the end of the Bears/Rams game was the same situation, scenario etc., but it wasn't. Maybe I've just had too much to drink.
 
Confluence said:
Literally the same as the Bills play; opposite ruling.

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The slow motion on that video is cutoff whilst the receiver still has control of the ball, so we can't see at what point the ball was stripped from the control of the receiver.
 
Aussie_Steeler said:
The slow motion on that video is cutoff whilst the receiver still has control of the ball, so we can't see at what point the ball was stripped from the control of the receiver.
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After receiving the ball, he went to his knee, backside then while on his back, possessing the ball, it was stripped. Play was ruled a fumble with a recovery. On review, he was ruled down by contact because he was on his back possessing the ball.

That is exactly the same position as the Bills receiver Cooks was, with the ruling that he was not down.

One of these calls, or both, were wrong. Which one, and more importantly why and how, with precision required on what and "when" is a catch?
 
Aussie_Steeler said:
The slow motion on that video is cutoff whilst the receiver still has control of the ball, so we can't see at what point the ball was stripped from the control of the receiver.
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Football move or surviving the ground was spouted out for the Bills catch. Now plays in both the Pats game and the Rams game the opposite was ruled. Go figure.
 
And another from last week.https://www.instagram.com/reel/DTquVG_Da0n/?igsh=NmFteG5mNHZncnRp
 
Confluence said:


This same thing happened in the Texans/cheats game, and the receiver was ruled down by contact with no fumble, because he had possession and had his knee, shin and thigh on the ground.

Can someone please point out how long the NFL rulebook stipulates the receiver must "survive" the ground?
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The rule states…you must maintain control of the ball all the way through the catch until your momentum has stopped after hitting the ground.

Show me momentum stoppage with the WR having possession/control of it and I will agree with you.
 
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