Iran's response ... missile attacks on U.S. bases in Iraq
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Badcat, I'd like to respond to your post in earnest. It was a welcome breath of fresh air, amidst all the divisiveness.
I've had deep misgivings and suspicions of malfeasance concerning Donald J. Trump going back to the 80's, that grew relevant and came into focus when he announced his candidacy. My concerns regarding Trump were front and center back during the GOP primaries leading up to his nomination, and subsequent election.
My negative views of Trump are not recent in nature. Nor are they influenced by the constant anti-Trump sentiment in the MSM. No doubt the media hates him and has been contentious from day one. My views and opinion of Trump far preceeds that. I've read and seen enough to have an educated opinion going back at least two decades.
Instead of the increasing animosity and antagonism between Trump critics and Trump supporters, we should be having debates that are courteous and informative. We should be able to have a clash of ideas without insulting each other.
Problem is, Trump sets the standard for belittling, insulting behavior. It's become the norm. Tough to keep things civil when the man running the country exudes an antagonistic, shrill, rude, demeaning approach to politics. That's literally all we've seen, since he's taken office. It gets amplified by his tweets and his rallies. This board is a reflection of that, more than anything.
Instead of meaningful conversations, these threads degrade into cheap shots, one-upmanship and cafeteria food fights. I've had no small part in that. It's easy to be abrasive and clash over differing opinions. Much more difficult to be considerate, show a little respect to those you disagree with. This board is proof positive of that. I've fallen into that trap as much as anyone.
We had plenty of heated threads during the Bush & Obama years, but Trump has brought out the worst in all of us.
Perhaps the onus is on those who disagree with Trump to keep things civil and stay above the frey. His m.o. is getting people to clash and go after the jugular. It's all he's known & done the better part of his life.
Past few years I've found myself wanting to stick to the football side of this board. Thats why I've left for months at a time, on numerous occasions. Not cause I'm hiding under a rock, or not getting my weekly paycheck from George Soros.
I hope our interactions on this board don't reflect our true day-to-day interactions with those who don't share our political views. It would be a shame if this is where we're at as a country.
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Perhaps you missed the post Tibs. I recall you getting your panties tied in a knot, and going to mods because someone said something to the effect of I can only hope this happens to a daughter of yours...something to that effect. You went on and railed about people threatening your family or something.
In this instance, Flog wished me, personally, death.
Even you, if you have a moment of sanity, must agree that wishing death upon a fellow board member, crosses the line.
If you don't agree...hell I won't be surprised.
I really like Dan Crenshaw. Knows his stuff and just seems like a measured, fair-minded guy.
So Tibs, please view the above video thoroughly, and you'll see what's truly dividing this nation -- people who reap the benefits of living in the freest and greatest nation on earth but hate it. And tell me where he's wrong in any of it.
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What team would that be?
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Dan is the man! His wisdom,logic and common sense is well beyond his years. I've been following him closely since his election. All I can say is I hope he runs after President Trumps second term is up.
Just a great American. I'm proud we have people like him in.congress. It gives me hope.
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it's not love, it's desperation. The alternative to Trump is so ******* stupid and corrosive that we MUST support a guy who's an ******* simply because most of his policies are sane and help the country. Pretty simple.
Trump is also the result of decades of voting for useless, spineless alleged conservatives like Romney and Paul Ryan who talk a big game, then get in office and spend most of their time explaining why they can't do what they promised.
A vote for Trump is not about party or even ideology. It's anti-establishment. That's why so many Dems voted for him last time and why even more will do so again.
Just last weekend, I was at party and a guy was trying to talk politics with me. I almost never do that at a party because it doesn't end well. The point is that in the middle of it, some guy buts in and says he voted Hillary last time but now he can't wait to vote Trump because all the Dems are ******* crazy.
Why support Trump? Because here's the alternative
Open borders
reparations
Free healthcare, education, and whatever else for illegals
socialized medicine
higher taxes
more regulations that strangle small businesses
some form of a green new deal
spread of socialism
Violation of 1st amendment with speech codes similar to those on college campuses
Violation of 2nd amendment with gun confiscations like the ones they are planning in Virginia
"Criminal justice reform" which in reality just means not prosecuting crimes or letting people out of jail early
Corruption of the education system
appointing judges who ignore written law and rule based on agenda
virtue signaling
identity politics
victim ideology
You know what drives me nuts, and it seems that I read it somewhere daily? The comments from liberals about this "love" we have for Trump. Or that we act as if he is a God or some ****.
It's not like that at all. Maybe we on the right exaggerate our fondness of the guy simply because those on the left hate him so much. But their reason for hating him is more of a personal thing. They just seem to dislike him because he is arrogant and says mean things.
I believe I can speak for most of us on the right when I say that we don't give a **** about any of that because he is doing a damn fine job.
The man is doing exactly what he said he was going to do and the country is doing very well, so what's the damn problem? You don't have to like his personality to like what he is accomplishing.
It's not like that at all. Maybe we on the right exaggerate our fondness of the guy simply because those on the left hate him so much. But their reason for hating him is more of a personal thing. They just seem to dislike him because he is arrogant and says mean things.
I believe I can speak for most of us on the right when I say that we don't give a **** about any of that because he is doing a damn fine job.
The man is doing exactly what he said he was going to do and the country is doing very well, so what's the damn problem? You don't have to like his personality to like what he is accomplishing.
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Just the complete decay of California should scare the **** out of people. Now they're begging for federal money to help with the massive amount of homeless poor they created with their absurd bullshit.
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Team Delusional Morons.
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The liberals are dumbfounded how evangelicals can support Trump. A guy that is not exactly Mr Morals. It's simple. It's because even if he's banging porn stars left and right, he's still far better than the alternative. The Dem candidates are WORSE.
That's why so many union members voted Trump as well. Because the Dems have abandoned reality. They have abandoned the American people and are trying to appeal to a future demographic they are trying to build.
A very small % is in favor of open borders. A very small % wants trans people using the women's bathroom. The list goes on. But the Libs have convinced themselves that their positions are the only moral ones, and therefore the only legitimate ones. That's why they throw around Hitler comparisons so freely because in their minds, if you disagree with them, you aren't wrong, you're evil. What won't you do to defeat evil? All is then permitted in their minds.
Twitter and social media has given these people false perceptions that they are a majority. They have crushed online dissent. Most conservatives either stay quiet or stick to their own small corners. It's why polling is so flawed now. Look at the recent British elections. People are staying quiet until they get in the voting booth, or whatever the hell those limeys use to vote.
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And the Democrat presidential icons are a womanizing Papist (Kennedy), a womanizing/rapist whatever (Clinton), and a pot smoking bathhouse boy (Obama).
The wrong team. Team Obama.
Like many, I've been waiting all my life for a Republican President who hits back. His rally in Toledo the other day was epic.
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For **** sake, Tim!
I understand that West Virginia doesn’t provide the best academic environment and likely never required you to read Shakespeare, but are you really not familiar with the idiomatic expression “to die a thousand deaths”?
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Very well said, Sir. I held my nose and voted for the guy. Now I can't wait to do it again.
You forgot a few. One is the govt. Paying for sex changes, paying immigrants to do nothing, anti-American moslems setting up shop here and running for office, and I'm sure that there are more.
I might repost this elsewhere.
I had a decent amount of Shakespeare in high school, as most high schoolers do.
Where I really got immersed in Shakespeare was when I lived in London for 3.5 months on a study abroad program. I saw the Royal Shakespeare Company perform a half dozen times in London, and most notably at the Royal Shakespeare Theatre in Stratford-upon-Avon, a one-room theater where the actors and audience share the same room for a unique experience. Recreated painstakingly to mimic the actual theater of Shakespeare's day, it even has a stage that reaches out into the audience pit. We were immersed in theater in general, seeing 2-3 performances of various types 3 times a week. Not all in London - often in Stratford or Bath or other towns we'd visit every weekend. From the National Theater to Stratford, I guess I was in probably 3 dozen English theaters and saw Shakespeare performed over a half dozen times - including Julius Caesar.
We also spent ample time on his works in London in Literature.
I've been fortunate enough to have been back to England several times since.
Now I've been exposed to lots of rednecks (most in VA) and yokels, but none have attempted to use wit and butchered Shakespeare nearly as badly as you.
From JC - "“A coward dies a thousand times before his death, but the valiant taste of death but once. It seems to me most strange that men should fear, seeing that death, a necessary end, will come when it will come.”
From Flogged: "Die another one of your 1,000 deaths."
One, never quote Shakespeare again. You insulted the man.
Two, DIE is a verb, above.
Three, as written, it's a directive.
Four, it's not funny.
Your attempts to use wit often fail, and this veiled threat did.
Now, entertain me, and respond to the SALIENT points made back on topic.
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in the 80s - when you were between/around the age of 10-20, in high school with so much going on with Reagan, Iran (wow, surprise there), MTV, AIDS epidemic, Challenger disaster, Titanic being found, video game craze blossoming, attempted assassination on the Pope, attempted assassination on Reagan, Grenada, and a whole virtual ****-ton of other things, you mean to tell us that you were so focused at that grand age on the future of the country that you were already investigating, or had a suspicious eye on Donald J Trump, real estate developer?
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And you were OK with Obama during those years, and his activities (in retrospect, of course.), or for that matter, in Hillary and her activities?
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Regardless, Trump's Presidency is reflective of a country circling the drain.
Maybe the Democrats are worse, but so what? Is that really supposed to make one feel better in the grand scheme of things?
Maybe the Democrats are worse, but so what? Is that really supposed to make one feel better in the grand scheme of things?
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Whataboutism will ultimately be the downfall of the Trump base. That is the singular response to any and all criticism.