Iran

[Troglodyte]

Trump did not ban abortion, nor did the Supreme Court.

He enabled it.

He chose justices who would adhere to the Constitution and overturn one of the most legally flawed, unconstitutional decisions ever made, turning a complex and controversial issue back to democratically elected legislatures where it belongs.

Unlike voting, right?

You're going to compare that to a regime which believes women should be hidden from view, tortured or killed for exposing their ankles, denied education and basic freedoms, executed for having been raped, married as children...you are truly demented.

Demented is defending the banning of abortions for rape and incest victims by comparing it to Iran’s oppressions of women.

 

[Hypocycloids]

He enabled it.

Um…Trump himself is not against abortion in cases of rape and incest so take that up with the state.

Demented is defending the banning of abortions for rape and incest victims by comparing it to Iran’s oppressions of women.

No, onefor had it right. After all the injustices against women in Iran had been clearly laid out, and that’s your response?
You’ve just proven that you’re the demented one.

 

[Djfan]

He enabled it.

Unlike voting, right?

Demented is defending the banning of abortions for rape and incest victims by comparing it to Iran’s oppressions of women.

Yeah, because babies from rape are less human than other babies.

There's an organization called "Children of Rape" made up of children who through no fault of their own, were conceived by rape. They are pro life because they know the value of their lives, and affirm that for all babies.

Because it's the right thing to do. You know, the whole "don't dismember babies", and things like that.

 

[Troglodyte]

Um…Trump himself is not against abortion in cases of rape and incest so take that up with the state.

Trump nominated the justices that enabled states to ban abortions.

No, onefor had it right. After all the injustices against women in Iran had been clearly laid out, and that’s your response?
You’ve just proven that you’re the demented one.

The outright abortion ban is demented and the states absolutely have that in common with Iran.

The irony in all this is that the U.S. went to war with Iran at the direction of Netanyahu who had no problem killing 38,000 women and girls in Gaza. Spare me your self-righteousness.

 

[ZonaBurgh]

He enabled it.

And everyone here is enabling you.

 

[jitter77]

I do not like abortion but when you have crackheads with 5-6 babies living off welfare with basically no shot at the parents / kids succeeding I don't know what the best solution is. I do think abortion should be allowed in rape, incest, or if the mother's life is at severe risk. In cases of rape I think it would be hard for some mothers to carry that child. Other mothers might see the child as a blessing from a terrible situation, but i think it should be their choice. Incest is kind of the same thing unless it is consensual incest.

 

[Confluence]

I do not like abortion but when you have crackheads with 5-6 babies living off welfare with basically no shot at the parents / kids succeeding I don't know what the best solution is. I do think abortion should be allowed in rape, incest, or if the mother's life is at severe risk. In cases of rape I think it would be hard for some mothers to carry that child. Other mothers might see the child as a blessing from a terrible situation, but i think it should be their choice. Incest is kind of the same thing unless it is consensual incest.

What is consensual incest in your mind?

 

[Booted]

What is consensual incest in your mind?

I'm not sure but, I'm guessing it involves fifty dollars.

 

[jitter77]

What is consensual incest in your mind?

Incest is just sexual contact between blood relatives basically. Cousin relations can technically be considered in some states. Some one could also have relations with an aunt or uncle that is consensual but still considered incest...

 

[Stoney]

Incest is just sexual contact between blood relatives basically. Cousin relations can technically be considered in some states. Some one could also have relations with an aunt or uncle that is consensual but still considered incest...

And all of that is gross.

 

[Stoney]

It's absolutely wild to see how vigorously some people will fight for the right to kill their own children. Wild.

 

[Confluence]

Incest is just sexual contact between blood relatives basically. Cousin relations can technically be considered in some states. Some one could also have relations with an aunt or uncle that is consensual but still considered incest...

That's fuucked up, right?

 

[Djfan]

It's absolutely wild to see how vigorously some people will fight for the right to kill their own children. Wild.

So by "wild" you mean "deeply evil"?

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Another strawman. You supported Trump, his Supreme Court nominations and outright abortion bans before you pretended to support Iranian women, so spare me.

You again levy the straw man argument, while using it yourself, without understanding what it is.

You don't give an iota about Iranian women or the Iranian people, because they don't fit your ideological agenda.
You do care about Palestinian women and children, because they do fit your ideological agenda.

Translation: You don't care about women or people, you care about political scalps.

 

[Troglodyte]

You again levy the straw man argument, while using it yourself, without understanding what it is.

No, I am exposing your hypocrisy, inconsistency and duplicity. That’s not a straw man argument.

You don't give an iota about Iranian women or the Iranian people, because they don't fit your ideological agenda.
You do care about Palestinian women and children, because they do fit your ideological agenda.

Please do explain the differences in the ideological agendas between Iranian and Palestinian women.

Translation: You don't care about women or people, you care about political scalps.

You’re not demanding regime change Iran, or Syria, or Yemen, or Sudan, or DRC or outright abortion bans. You don’t care about women, you care about not looking like an even bigger ******* idiot Trump supporter.

 

[Badcat]

No, I am exposing your hypocrisy, inconsistency and duplicity. That’s not a straw man argument.

This is all you do, misrepresent a person's position and distort the argument or outright deflect it altogether. You should change your board name to "strawman"

 

[Hypocycloids]

Trump nominated the justices that enabled states to ban abortions.

The outright abortion ban is demented and the states absolutely have that in common with Iran.

The irony in all this is that the U.S. went to war with Iran at the direction of Netanyahu who had no problem killing 38,000 women and girls in Gaza. Spare me your self-righteousness.

Self righteous?
Pointing out hypocrisy on your part does not constitute self righteousness on my part. In fact, I would probably be pro abortion if it meant keeping less of you liberals from infecting the population.

And there you go again with another deflection/false equivalency after you’ve been served… by equating a war casualty with the daily standard operating procedures of hard line Islamic theocracies.

Trump nominated the justices to do the right thing by giving the states the responsibility of relegating abortion …where it belongs.

Only 9 states outlaw nearly all abortion, and a woman could go to another state, furthermore :

We know, for example, that only a very small percentage of abortions are sought for reasons of rape or incest. In fact, according to a studyfrom the pro-abortion-rights Guttmacher Institute, only about 1 percent of abortions are sought for reasons of rape, and less than 0.5 percent of abortions are sought for reasons of incest.

So give it a rest there champion for women’s rights.

 

[Hypocycloids]

No, I am exposing your hypocrisy, inconsistency and duplicity. That’s not a straw man argument.

Suuuure you are.
Black women receive abortions at a rate of 5 to 1 compared to white women. Hispanic 2-1 to white.

In that case you would think that we would be pro abortion just like you. Aren’t we supposed to be the racist?
That must make your brain fry.



Yet it is you liberals, sitting atop your perch of moral superiority, the champions for black people that have no issue with killing minority babies.
There’s hypocrisy for you.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

No, I am exposing your hypocrisy, inconsistency and duplicity. That’s not a straw man argument.

14th time: You don't understand straw man arguments, even when you use them yourself.

Please do explain the differences in the ideological agendas between Iranian and Palestinian women.

You're this retarded ^^^^^

I didn't say there was a difference between them. They are all human. I'm exposing YOUR selective outrage:

You screamed and gnashed your teeth about women and children in Palestine being killed.
You don't care at all about Iranian women and civilians being slaughtered by the IRGC.

So I'll repeat, you only care about human beings when their abuse, torture or death benefits your politics.

You’re not demanding regime change Iran, or Syria, or Yemen, or Sudan, or DRC or outright abortion bans. You don’t care about women, you care about not looking like an even bigger ******* idiot Trump supporter.

And on queue, you lob a false equivalency argument to try and stay out of the corner you're painted in.

You're equating the ability to get an abortion to the execution of innocent women. You've never levied a greater false equivalency.



She was hung, because she had been raped.

You're outraged that women who are raped "might" not be able to get an abortion, but you don't care (literally at all) about women being put to death because they were raped.

You're a sick mother ****** IRGFlog.

FYI: You're education and beatings may be delayed as I'm about to leave for Pittsburgh for the NFL Draft. Please, please, please let us know if you show up. Some of us would enjoy meeting you.

 

[Troglodyte]

Self righteous?
Pointing out hypocrisy on your part does not constitute self righteousness on my part. In fact, I would probably be pro abortion if it meant keeping less of you liberals from infecting the population.

And there you go again with another deflection/false equivalency after you’ve been served… by equating a war casualty with the daily standard operating procedures of hard line Islamic theocracies.

Trump nominated the justices to do the right thing by giving the states the responsibility of relegating abortion …where it belongs.

Only 9 states outlaw nearly all abortion, and a woman could go to another state, furthermore :

We know, for example, that only a very small percentage of abortions are sought for reasons of rape or incest. In fact, according to a studyfrom the pro-abortion-rights Guttmacher Institute, only about 1 percent of abortions are sought for reasons of rape, and less than 0.5 percent of abortions are sought for reasons of incest.

So give it a rest there champion for women’s rights.


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Ask the guy holding the sword if he agrees with outright abortion bans.

 

[Troglodyte]

Suuuure you are.
Black women receive abortions at a rate of 5 to 1 compared to white women. Hispanic 2-1 to white.

In that case you would think that we would be pro abortion just like you. Aren’t we supposed to be the racist?

Or just obsessed with race, gender and abortion. You’re supposed to be pro-life, you’re actually pro-birth.

Yet it is you liberals, sitting atop your perch of moral superiority, the champions for black people that have no issue with killing minority babies.
There’s hypocrisy for you.

And you have no issue with rape and incest victims being forced to give birth to their rapist’s child. Right back at ya!

 

[Troglodyte]

14th time: You don't understand straw man arguments, even when you use them yourself.

Nope

I didn't say there was a difference between them. They are all human. I'm exposing YOUR selective outrage:

Go back and read what you wrote.

You screamed and gnashed your teeth about women and children in Palestine being killed.

No. I said it was genocidal. It was.

You don't care at all about Iranian women and civilians being slaughtered by the IRGC.

And you do? You will be outraged if there isn’t regime change in Iran? Go on record.

I'll repeat, you only care about human beings when their abuse, torture or death benefits your politics.

Rape isn’t abuse and torture? Women can’t die due to complications from pregnancy? You support states outright abortion bans.

And on queue, you lob a false equivalency argument to try and stay out of the corner you're painted in.

Just because you can’t handle the cognitive dissonance it brings doesn’t make the equivalence false.

You're equating the ability to get an abortion to the execution of innocent women. You've never levied a greater false equivalency.

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She was hung, because she had been raped.

You're outraged that women who are raped "might" not be able to get an abortion, but you don't care (literally at all) about women being put to death because they were raped.

And you don’t care about genocide in Gaza or Red Cross volunteers being murdered, right? Isn’t that how this works?

You're a sick mother ****** IRGFlog.

Sick is attempting to gain virtue by comparing your oppressive beliefs to those of Islamic Fundamentalist.

You have no virtue. You’ll stop “caring” about Iranian women once it becomes clear there will be no regime change. You disagree? Again, go on record.

 

[oneforthebus]

He enabled it.

Unlike voting, right?

Demented is defending the banning of abortions for rape and incest victims by comparing it to Iran’s oppressions of women.

Yes, he enabled the people of each state to express their wishes on this issue through their democratically elected representatives. A few states decided on total bans. Most enacted bans based on various gestational ages and have exceptions for rape, incest, health, etc. All have exceptions for life-saving necessity. You, I guess, prefer that 9 unelected judges decide for everyone the complex questions of when human life begins and is deserving of any rights or protections, rather than allowing the people of this country to debate and decide. There is no logical argument that would allow judges the power to set up a completely arbitrary and rapidly outdated trimester system deciding for all of us when an unborn human's life matters.

There is a potential federal remedy to this of course, in passing a federal law or constitutional amendment. You'd have to get strong majorities of the country to support it and elect representatives and a president who would support it of course, but I guess your side hasn't been able to do that. Yet you seem to think your views on the subject should outweigh everyone else's.

What do you mean by unlike voting? I'm not sure what you're referring to.

You're the one who is comparing abortion bans to Iran's oppression of women, not me. Yes I will defend abortion bans. Is a human being who is the product of rape or incest less of a human being? I don't believe so, in any case I'd give you those tiny number of tragic exceptions in exchange for saving the millions of lives lost in purely elective abortions. But I do recognize the right to life of every human being.

What's your argument anyway? That if we don't support abortion we must be for all forms of radical Islamic oppression of women? Can you not comprehend that abortion involves what many of us see as a separate human life?

 

[oneforthebus]

I do not like abortion but when you have crackheads with 5-6 babies living off welfare with basically no shot at the parents / kids succeeding I don't know what the best solution is. I do think abortion should be allowed in rape, incest, or if the mother's life is at severe risk. In cases of rape I think it would be hard for some mothers to carry that child. Other mothers might see the child as a blessing from a terrible situation, but i think it should be their choice. Incest is kind of the same thing unless it is consensual incest.

So, we should be ok with killing babies who have a smaller chance at success? That's the criteria?

Here's a solution-crackheads who give birth to crack-addicted babies they can't support face mandatory sterilization. That way no one has to die. Some will say "Oh that's horribly cruel" but dismembering and killing a developing human being? Okey dokey!

 

[Djfan]

Just to be clear -

I support the outright ban of abortion in every country, at all times, for all reasons.