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ZonaBurgh said:
And just because one was intercepted and one failed in mid-flight doesn't mean that they don't have a missile capable of reaching 2,000+ miles.
See how that works? We can speculate all day and not be factually correct on anything going on.
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Sure they could, but i find it hard to believe we can get intelligence that gives specific times of meetings of Iran's VIPs, but can't accurately assess their missile capabilities. One missile failed, one was shot down. I have not seen confirmation it would have actually traveled the distance let alone with proper accuracy.
 
jitter77 said:
Sure they could, but i find it hard to believe we can get intelligence that gives specific times of meetings of Iran's VIPs, but can't accurately assess their missile capabilities. One missile failed, one was shot down. I have not seen confirmation it would have actually traveled the distance let alone with proper accuracy.
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The generals haven't given you that information yet? That's strange.
 
Booted said:
The generals haven't given you that information yet? That's strange.
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And they have given you the info that they can reach with a proper payload? Everything is based on speculation. Just because they pointed a missile somewhere doesn't mean it would reach, be on target, or actually cause damage. The media is taking the attack as fact they longer range capabilities which is not a fact at this point. It's like trying to hit a deer with a 30-30 at 1k yrds.
 
jitter77 said:
And they have given you the info that they can reach with a proper payload?
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No. That's why I haven't said one word about it. But, dont let that stop YOU from sharing your inside information.
 
Djfan said:
Trump posted this morning that he was contacted by the Iranians about peace. I guess they have about had it. So, according to this post on truth social, he ordered Hegseth to stand down.

Recently, Trump said "unconditional surrender." I'm curious to see how this goes.
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The Dims are claiming Trump is lying about it since Iran has no leadership left.
They say that like it’s a bad thing.
 
jitter77 said:
I don't care what the dems say, but Iran's own actions and words seem to indicate Trump is lying
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Of course he's lying, that's all Trump does, morning, noon, and night. Trump hasn't said a straightforward, truthful thing for the better part of his adult life. I see no reason why he'd start now, seeing how far it's gotten him with a sizeable, misguided segment of the American public, who, by all accounts, love being lied to, and keep coming back for more. 🤷‍♂️
 
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Troglodyte said:
Source?

Iran, however, is denying it.
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Tells you where we are as a nation when the entire civilized world has to pause and rub its chin to ponder who is telling the truth, the Iranian or the Trump regime? 🤔
 
Troglodyte said:
So they were wrong or they lied. Which one?
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Son, Good Lord. Go back, read the link you provided: https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles...ated-and-suggestions-otherwise-are-fake-news/

Iran’s Nuclear Facilities Have Been Obliterated
NOT their nuclear PROGRAM. Further:

We assess that the American strikes on Iran’s nuclear facilities, combined with Israeli strikes on other elements of Iran’s military nuclear program, has set back Iran’s ability to develop nuclear weapons by many years.

“I can say here that the assessment is that we significantly damaged the nuclear program, and I can also say that we set it back by years, I repeat, years.”
If you ever bothered to read the articles you post, you might save yourself never ending embarrassment.

Troglodyte said:
😂 Totally unhinged. You took issue with me claiming you said “God bless this war”, I show where you said “God bless this effort” and asked what the difference was so now you pivot to “it will fix everything” Lose an argument, change the argument and blame semantics.
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Let me repeat, you said I said "You’re the one saying God Bless this war, it will fix everything". I demonstrably did not say that. All I said was God Bless this Effort.

I didn't call it a war, and I did not say it will fix everything.

Troglodyte said:
And ask God to bless it.
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I do. We know there's no room in your black soul for God.

Troglodyte said:
Says the guy who asks God to bless Trump’s war of choice.
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Further proof you have no clue what a cult happens to be.
 
Excellent piece by CNN's Stephen Collinson, the former White House correspondent for Agence France-Presse. Note: not for the faint of heart.

Why Trump may not be able to TACO in Iran — even if he wants to​


Wars, unlike illegal tariffs, cannot be switched on and off to meet a president’s whims or to permanently shore up free-falling markets.

So the key question following President Donald Trump’s suspension of threatened strikes against Iran’s power plants is not whether he’s had another TACO (“Trump always chickens out”) moment.

It’s whether Trump can get out of his war on Iran, even if he wants to.

After days of oscillating rhetoric, Trump signaled a first potential de-escalation in the conflict Monday, when he cited 15 points of agreement in what he said were productive talks with Iran. Tehran said there’d been no dialogue.

The most hopeful spin on the latest developments is that US and Iran have both reached a point where the cost of climbing the escalation ladder would be so horrific that both need a way out. Such epiphanies can begin to end wars.

Trump had dragged the enemies to the brink by threatening to bomb Iran’s power plants if it didn’t open the Strait of Hormuz, a chokepoint for oil exports. Tehran had promised to retaliate by torching vital infrastructure in US-allied Gulf states. The conflagration could have set off a global recession and worsened dire humanitarian conditions for the very Iranian civilians Trump pledged to help.

But there are many reasons for skepticism that a breakthrough is imminent.

Days of erratic, contradictory rhetoric from Trump and the administration’s inability to cite a consistent rationale for the war or to plot an exit strategy mean that any single US statement lacks credibility.

The president’s habit of bombing during his own deadlines in Iran mean no one would be surprised if he broke his own five-day moratorium on striking the country’s power plants.

Some cynics also note that the president’s pause will last throughout the trading week on global markets. With stock futures tumbling and oil prices soaring coming out of the weekend, was he simply seeking to stitch a cushion of market stability?

It wouldn’t be the first time that official statements seemed aimed at taming volatility. And it worked again: The Dow, the S&P 500 and the Nasdaq all rose over 1% Monday, while Brent crude, the global oil benchmark, fell 11%. US drivers will hope for a break at the gasoline pumps.
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Why Trump needs to turn down the heat

Trump may want to buy time for another reason: The US forces that might give him the option to invade Kharg Island — the epicenter of Iran’s oil industry and a vital economic hub — or to occupy islands and coastal regions in the Strait are not yet fully assembled. One US Marine Expeditionary Unit that deployed from Japan may reach the region soon. But a second only set off from the West Coast last week.

It’s also worth remembering that Trump loves hyperbole. Experience suggests that his hyping of diplomatic progress and claims Iran “badly” wants a deal may be overstatements — even if deliberate deception is sometimes a tool statesmen use to create space for breakthroughs.

The president’s wild gyrations that had him talking about “winding down” the war one day and escalating it the next were incompatible with the traditions of stable war leadership. But they were quintessential Trump. By Monday, it all looked like a ruse to allow him to argue his hard-man tactics had forged diplomatic progress.

This unpredictability and tendency to try to mitigate his self-created crises is familiar from Trump’s personal life and his business and political career, as well as his multiple scrapes with the justice system. Each day often unfolds as a quest to remain standing by nightfall. With this technique, Trump delays reckonings and defers the worst consequences of his actions in an endless improvisational dance.

Yet there’s a sobering possibility that Trump’s erratic method may be tested beyond its limits in the Persian Gulf.

Iran might be outgunned by the US and Israeli assault and suffering extremely heavy losses to its naval, air and land-based assets during a war that has wiped out senior members of the Islamic clerical regime.

But as the conflict enters a fourth week, it’s also demonstrated its own leverage after effectively closing the Strait of Hormuz and holding the global economy — and Republican political hopes in November — hostage.

Logic suggests a regime that was already ultra-radical before the war is unlikely to be more open to Trump’s demands after the killing of its supreme leader and enduring an onslaught from US and Israeli missiles and jets.

Trump’s terms for ending the war — likely to include Iran renouncing its nuclear program and long-range ballistic missiles — may be deal-breakers. That’s because the last three weeks show exactly why a rogue regime might decide to pursue such insurance policies against future attacks by foreign powers.

Even if talks do open — and Pakistan has offered to hold them — it’s not clear who would be negotiating for Iran. A regime that has decentralized authority and lost key figures may struggle to make collective decisions. And if, as some experts believe, the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps are now in full control, it might be even more hardline than before.

Moreover, in the past Washington has spoken to relatively moderate Iranian officials, only to find more radical figures set against compromise.

It also would not be surprising if Iran’s leaders interpret the president’s reversals, contradictions and emotional social media posts as signs that their strategy of imposing economic consequences on Trump is working.
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Why almost all Trump’s options are bad

No one can know what is ahead in Iran. It’s possible that the assassinations of senior leaders and the US and Israel attacks have caused fatal cracks in the regime that are not yet evident. But there are so far no clear public signs of disintegration.

The air war has seriously downgraded Iran’s regional threat. But if brute force has not already brought it to its knees, Trump has not yet explained why Iran would give up its prime leverage — its hold on the Strait — without substantial US concessions.

But it’s easy to see why the president may be seduced by the prospect of talks. He needs an off-ramp because many of his potential courses of action are unappealing.

He could escalate the war in its current form — concentrating US fire on Iranian assets around the Strait — but there are no guarantees this would so degrade Tehran’s capabilities it would be safe for ships to transit.

He could decide to commit ground troops. But this would cross a political Rubicon that would recall the forever wars Trump ran against.

The TACO option — and a declaration of victory whether it’s genuine or not — does look attractive. But walking away would leave US Gulf allies who opposed his war exposed to an angry, empowered Iran. Ending the war without securing Iran’s stocks of highly enriched uranium might allow it to race to a nuclear weapon one day and would undercut Trump’s most consistent rationale for the war.

Presidents often confront crises that come with no good options, but few face situations quite as intractable as the one in Iran that Trump created for himself.
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ZonaBurgh said:
Gotta love how everyone here is so damn sure that their speculation is correct and to be believed.
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That's why I get the big money.
 
Steelr4evr said:
The rats are jumping ship.

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