Interesting thoughts from a couple months off

[SteelerFan448]

I'd be just fine if we don't end up taking a QB at all, but I also don't buy the logic that says you should never take a developmental QB in the 3rd or 4th. The odds of a developmental QB turning into a franchise QB are incredibly low, but 1) any 3rd / 4th round pick faces much lower odds of becoming a solid starter or impact player than the average draftnik really recognizes and 2) the reward of hitting on a QB from the lower rounds or undrafted (Tom Brady, Kurt Warner, Romo etc.) is incredible.

Forget finding a franchise QB, just finding a solid backup QB in the 3rd or 4th can save your season...the odds of a 3rd or 4th rounder at another position having that much impact are incredibly low.

I'd actually be fine with never taking a mid-late round QB and rather go the FA route to address the backup QB needs.

 

[SteelerAl]

I'd actually be fine with never taking a mid-late round QB and rather go the FA route to address the backup QB needs.

That's easier said than done. The veteran backup market is so thin that your options are either expensive, ****** or both (Weeden, Cassel, etc.).

I'm with Mayock who says teams should take a QB in the draft every other year. It's not like any other position in team sports...

 

[antdrewjosh]

I feel like this news story is being misinterpreted by some. Sammie Coates looks like Terrell Owens with his shirt off --- he is not lazy about conditioning. He is a physical specimen. It's just that he didn't understand (and very few rookies do) what it means to be in "NFL WR condition" (i.e. being able to keep up a little bit with Antonio Brown's fanatical workouts). Hopefully he makes that big leap that can happen between year 1 and year 2.

Exactly Alot of rookies don't understand the difference between college football shape and NFL football shape.

 

[Litos]

Forget finding a franchise QB, just finding a solid backup QB in the 3rd or 4th can save your season...the odds of a 3rd or 4th rounder at another position having that much impact are incredibly low.

Lower than dri archer's stature?

 

[papillon]

If Lynch happens to fall and the Steelers are on the clock the following teams probably would be interested in moving up to get him KC, Arizona and Denver and while Dallas at 2.34 isn't in the first round they could be an option to move up to 1.25. This may be a realistic scenario if the Steelers are inclined to try and get back a pick that they traded away in the past. For any of these teams to move up the Steelers would actually get a better pick than they traded away and still basically have a 1st round selection as well. These teams could be in the market for a franchise stabilizing QB, IMO.

As has been mentioned the Steelers (Rooneys) do not like to move out of the first round, so the Cowboys could be off the radar for that reason, but the others would be a swap of 1st rounders plus a pick.

Papillon

 

[Coach]

I'd be just fine if we don't end up taking a QB at all, but I also don't buy the logic that says you should never take a developmental QB in the 3rd or 4th. The odds of a developmental QB turning into a franchise QB are incredibly low, but 1) any 3rd / 4th round pick faces much lower odds of becoming a solid starter or impact player than the average draftnik really recognizes and 2) the reward of hitting on a QB from the lower rounds or undrafted (Tom Brady, Kurt Warner, Romo etc.) is incredible.

Forget finding a franchise QB, just finding a solid backup QB in the 3rd or 4th can save your season...the odds of a 3rd or 4th rounder at another position having that much impact are incredibly low.

Landry Jones is terrible as the backup. He's several steps down from Charlie Batch, who could come in play well when Ben was hurt.

Aussing Ben will play all 16 games is wishful thinking with his age and style of play. If he's out, one game lost can be the difference between making the playoffs or not.

The good news is this is a good draft for back up / developmental type of QB's in rounds 3-6.

 

[Stryker]

I'd actually be fine with never taking a mid-late round QB and rather go the FA route to address the backup QB needs.

Isn't that usually what we do? Honestly, I hope we pick up a FA QB. And I'd love Hoyer as a backup.

 

[Bigappleyinzer]

I'd be just fine if we don't end up taking a QB at all, but I also don't buy the logic that says you should never take a developmental QB in the 3rd or 4th. The odds of a developmental QB turning into a franchise QB are incredibly low, but 1) any 3rd / 4th round pick faces much lower odds of becoming a solid starter or impact player than the average draftnik really recognizes and 2) the reward of hitting on a QB from the lower rounds or undrafted (Tom Brady, Kurt Warner, Romo etc.) is incredible.

Forget finding a franchise QB, just finding a solid backup QB in the 3rd or 4th can save your season...the odds of a 3rd or 4th rounder at another position having that much impact are incredibly low.

I totally agree.

If we could grab a Cardele/Hackenberg/etc in the 3rd/4th it would instantly upgrade the backup position. And as we all know, Ben's backup is typically going to play at least 10 quarters during the regular season.

If you are lucky, that player develops into a franchise QB.

 

[deljzc]

I don't like Lynch all that much as a prospect, so I don't want him in round 1 regardless of Ben's age.

I'm not sold on the CB's either (I scouted the 4 requested of me). My favorite at pick #25 is probably William Jackson III. He's a better, faster version of the body-type of Cortez Allen, which I still think we need in red zone match-ups.

Mayock's #2 corner is Apple and I think he's too much of a risk right now. And I haven't scouted Artie Burns from Miami yet.

 

[Litos]

I don't like Lynch all that much as a prospect, so I don't want him in round 1 regardless of Ben's age.

I'm not sold on the CB's either (I scouted the 4 requested of me). My favorite at pick #25 is probably William Jackson III. He's a better, faster version of the body-type of Cortez Allen, which I still think we need in red zone match-ups.

Mayock's #2 corner is Apple and I think he's too much of a risk right now. And I haven't scouted Artie Burns from Miami yet.

didn't see your answer, I'll go check it out. Thanks

 

[slashsteel]

I don't like Lynch all that much as a prospect, so I don't want him in round 1 regardless of Ben's age.

I'm not sold on the CB's either (I scouted the 4 requested of me). My favorite at pick #25 is probably William Jackson III. He's a better, faster version of the body-type of Cortez Allen, which I still think we need in red zone match-ups.

Mayock's #2 corner is Apple and I think he's too much of a risk right now. And I haven't scouted Artie Burns from Miami yet.

you didn't care for Alexander?

 

[deljzc]

you didn't care for Alexander?

Vernon Hargreaves III
A bit short on film but displays plenty of toughness and physicality. Clearly an NFL athlete and shows very good change of direction and body control. Confident. Not a typical college boundary corner and played consistently at LCB. Very good zone defender and understands spacing and can make plays on ball. Should be okay tackler and not afraid of contact (Tenn game was horrible however). Should be immediate starter/top-3 corner on a team from day one. Not sure about pure man-2-man skills and don’t think that will be his roll in the NFL at this point, but if he tests well athletically/speed could develop into a shut down corner with commitment to detail, but is not there yet and I would not expect that of him.

Mackensie Alexander
Adequate size and long arms for position and plays predominantly man-2-man concepts. Can get a little clutchy/grabby and needs to watch contact downfield - could be learning curve on that in NFL. Is a younger player and evaluation is a lot of projection based on size/speed/athleticism - not a finished product. Is still very sloppy with this footwork and needs commitment to the craft. Very boom/bust prospect in my opinion. Is not a round 1 prospect unless he has exceptional physical test scores (4.3 speed, etc.). Tape says round 2-3.

William Jackson
True senior with lots of starts and thus looks much more polished and “old” as compared to other prospect. Smooth athlete with nice height/length on film but check change of direction numbers. He’s not as quick-twitch as you might like. Is a nice solid prospect, but nothing on film makes me go “wow” yet.

Eli Apple
Lots of flaws on tape, but the talent is tempting. Flashes NFL man-2-man ability but lacks all the polish you need at the next level. Is a bit weak right now (redshirt sophomore) and needs to grow into frame. Is not good at run support and get lose push/pull battles for the ball with quality receivers. Is a superior athlete that was probably highly recruited and has ideal height/length/speed/COD for the position. Another boom/bust prospect that has to take to coaching and self-improvement to live up to capabilities. Will not be able to skate by on raw ability anymore.

 

[Litos]

many mocks have us taking CB Fuller on the first round too

 

[Superman]

just an FYI - dude on ESPN said Karl Joseph is the "most NFL ready DB in the draft" including CBs and "you don't want Karl Joseph finishing on you"
unless you're kroyea.