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Initial Thoughts on rats Game

WindyCitySteel said:
The Steelers got over, the Ravens were screwed on the Rodgers reception/fumble (he didn’t survive the ground) and the Likely TD (extending the ball to keep it away from a defender is a “football move”).

The league wants Tomlin in the playoffs.
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Extrapolate much???🤣🤣🤣
 
SteelerInLebanon said:
Joey's ranking is 24th out of 64 starting CB's he has very good numbers in completion percentage against. His tackling while not perfect has improved dramatically. You are letting emotion get in the way of common sense. Many top DBs play just like Porter. They also tend to get more penalties for their style, but it works more than it fails. You just have an emotional reaction that is far stronger when he gets a penalty than when he simply does his job as many times it isn't even on camera on the national broadcast. His rep is hurting him more than his actual play. He is our best man cover CB.
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a) what ranking system are you referring to? and
b) even if we use your ranking, that means there are still 23 cornerbacks better than Porter, so to me that's not "very good," and
c) his tackling has improved dramatically? Any improvement from his first couple of years would be dramatic, so you could be right.

Joey Porter had the most pass interference penalties in the league last year with 12. Only 2 other guys had more than 9. He also had 7 defensive holding calls, while entire teams averaged less than 6. This year, he's had 8 more penalties despite missing 3.5 games, including 2 yesterday on third downs which gave Baltimore 1st-and-10s. Sauce Gardner is a physical corner too; yet somehow he hasn't had a holding or PI called since September.

Bottom line is that Porter is in year three of his pro career, hasn't changed any of his bad habits, and has gotten only marginally better while playing on one of the worst pass defense units in the NFL. Nothing emotional about it.
 
I commented last week (and others) replay assist is very arbitrary. There is no rhyme or reason when the NFL uses it. For instance, the leverage call on Baltimore was blatantly wrong and could've been fixed in about 15 seconds. Instead, the Steelers get a first down and immediately score on the next play. It's something replay assist could've easily fixed. There was a case in the game where replay assist did call in an correct a mistake. What is the standard for making the change? There isn't one and that is an issue.
 
topseed said:
a) what ranking system are you referring to? and
b) even if we use your ranking, that means there are still 23 cornerbacks better than Porter, so to me that's not "very good," and
c) his tackling has improved dramatically? Any improvement from his first couple of years would be dramatic, so you could be right.

Joey Porter had the most pass interference penalties in the league last year with 12. Only 2 other guys had more than 9. He also had 7 defensive holding calls, while entire teams averaged less than 6. This year, he's had 8 more penalties despite missing 3.5 games, including 2 yesterday on third downs which gave Baltimore 1st-and-10s. Sauce Gardner is a physical corner too; yet somehow he hasn't had a holding or PI called since September.

Bottom line is that Porter is in year three of his pro career, hasn't changed any of his bad habits, and has gotten only marginally better while playing on one of the worst pass defense units in the NFL. Nothing emotional about it.
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PFF for this context. If it were out of 32, I would agree out of 64+ when you include outside and inside corners It is not bad. Joey is not the reason were that low, he is the reason we are not lower. I do think it is emotion more than facts. When you watch tape of him in from all 22 he is
VERY good at sticking with his man in man coverage. He is not as good in zone. He was brought in to play press man bot zone predominantly. Scheme is what is hurting our pass defense along with searching for other reliable man corners.
 
SteelerFan448 said:
the leverage call on Baltimore was blatantly wrong and could've been fixed in about 15 seconds. Instead, the Steelers get a first down and immediately score on the next play. It's something replay assist could've easily fixed.
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In the words of Troy Polamalu summarizing another legendary play in Baltimore:
"..... but it didn't happen that way".
 
bkwheat28 said:
I agree with this. Santonio didn’t make a “football move” to win SB43 🤷🏻‍♂️
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He actually did, he pulled the ball into his body.

1) possesion
2) 2 feet down
3) pulled ball into himself.




Salute the nation
 
topseed said:
a) what ranking system are you referring to? and
b) even if we use your ranking, that means there are still 23 cornerbacks better than Porter, so to me that's not "very good," and
c) his tackling has improved dramatically? Any improvement from his first couple of years would be dramatic, so you could be right.

Joey Porter had the most pass interference penalties in the league last year with 12. Only 2 other guys had more than 9. He also had 7 defensive holding calls, while entire teams averaged less than 6. This year, he's had 8 more penalties despite missing 3.5 games, including 2 yesterday on third downs which gave Baltimore 1st-and-10s. Sauce Gardner is a physical corner too; yet somehow he hasn't had a holding or PI called since September.

Bottom line is that Porter is in year three of his pro career, hasn't changed any of his bad habits, and has gotten only marginally better while playing on one of the worst pass defense units in the NFL. Nothing emotional about it.
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and left hopkins by him self in the back of the endzone . If it werent for Andrews trying to get it and miss it was a TD,. Pass wasnt for Andrews.
 
Black & Gold Bleeder said:
he didnt know to cover the guy 10 ft from him? The scheme told him to leave him alone.
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It isn't always that simple. Particularly when you have a guy like Jackson who kept stepping towards the line who can run it and making throws. Who's to say he even saw him and that someone else wasn't supposed to be on him. That **** is total chaos down there against Lamar.
 
slashsteel said:
Mike really isn’t a check himself type coach. If he was he would have tried to fix his obvious deficiencies. More of a look at me I am still winning type even when 99.99999999 of the fan base knows a playoff win is the ceiling but a long shot.

His answers scream of my approach got us another non losing season. He will not fix a broken scheme, not surround himself with X and O up and comers. Just a Groundhog Day approach with pompous tendencies.

My happiest day as a Steelers fan will be when he steps down.
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My happiest days are superbowl wins! All of them. I will say XL has a special place in my heart. I waited a **** ing long time for that One For The Thumb.



What we have now are just a bunch of bs seasons that are carbon copies of each other. This one looks exactly the same as the others. There's no building towards anything.

It feels like punishment.
 
bkwheat28 said:
I'm with ya. Probably poor wording on my part. What I was implying is a catch should be catch no matter where you are on the field.
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It 100% is. It doesn't matter if you're on the sideline, the middle of the field or in the endzone, the rule is applied the same.

Of a receiver is on the sideline, toe taps with 2 feet, falls to the ground and the ball comes free, it's incomplete. Surviving the ground is the third element of the catch.

Take Lively out of the endzone, put him in the middle of the field, same exact scenario, the pass is still incomplete. He didn't make the third element of the catch. If he gets that third foot down, or tucks the ball, it's a completed pass anywhere.

The difference in the endzone play and middle of the field, if he would have got the third step in, even losing the ball, in the endzone it's a touchdown, in the middle of the field it's a fumble.

He didn't NEED the third step, he needed the third element of the catch. Could have been tucking the ball, could have been a third step, could have been transferring the ball to one hand, could have been avoiding Porter...anything. But he did none of those things
 
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SteelerInLebanon said:
PFF for this context. If it were out of 32, I would agree out of 64+ when you include outside and inside corners It is not bad. Joey is not the reason were that low, he is the reason we are not lower. I do think it is emotion more than facts. When you watch tape of him in from all 22 he is
VERY good at sticking with his man in man coverage. He is not as good in zone. He was brought in to play press man bot zone predominantly. Scheme is what is hurting our pass defense along with searching for other reliable man corners.
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There are two outside corners on every defense, chief. Left and right. You should probably know this, while you're analyzing that all-22 film.
 
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Steelersreign said:
I would think tucking the ball into your body is considered a football move.
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It used to be by itself but now tucking it and turning upfield or going to a knee i think that was an offseason change this year.. and if you catch it near your body then extend out to advance it , that is another football move...
 
madinsomniac said:
It used to be by itself but now tucking it and turning upfield or going to a knee i think that was an offseason change this year.. and if you catch it near your body then extend out to advance it , that is another football move...
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They didn't change anything this off season, they changed the wording of "a move common to the game" (which was commonly referred to as a football move) to a more specific definition and list of football moves.

So the league wanted to get away from "what is a football move" and the subjective nature that wording brought, and gave specific instances (tucking the ball and moving up field, extending the ball to the goal line, avoiding a defender, taking a third step).

The current iteration of the catch rule has been in place since 2018.
 
DBS1970 said:
I enjoyed the win because I am a Steeler fan to the bone.

The game was still poop because it gets us closer to the non-losing Tomlinship Season that allows Mikey Sunglasses to remain our head coach.
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I can’t root against the STEELERS, life time fan.

I can’t acknowledge a shittty win. We played a bad team and won.

Circumstances aside, we are 1st place AFC NORTH.

Keep winning and could move e up the chain for seating, possible 3 seed.



Salute the nation
 
bermudasteel said:
I called it "not a catch" right away - see game day thread.

The difference between a running TD and receiving TD is very different.

Running - ball only has to break the plane
Receiving - receiver must survive the catch. In yesterday's case - the 3rd foot never touched before the ball was dislodged...
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It was a catch
3rd foot is funny though
 
insaniti said:
They didn't change anything this off season, they changed the wording of "a move common to the game" (which was commonly referred to as a football move) to a more specific definition and list of football moves.

So the league wanted to get away from "what is a football move" and the subjective nature that wording brought, and gave specific instances (tucking the ball and moving up field, extending the ball to the goal line, avoiding a defender, taking a third step).

The current iteration of the catch rule has been in place since 2018.
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So again, there are two rulebooks.. there is what we se on NFL.Com, the basic version...and there is a version they give to the refs and clubs with greater clarifications and examples.

For whatever reason the league calls it proprietary info and it isnt allowed out... throughout the years, one or two were leaked by disgruntled people.. im pretty sure the last was 2006 or so...

In any case a couple insiders said this offseason one of the clarifications on a football move was changed from "tucking the ball or" to "tucking the ball and" in a couple cases.. https://clutchsportshub.com/the-nfls-new-2025-football-move-rule-leaves-fans-more-confused/

One would think the NFL would want the full set of clarifications out in public for everyone, instead of referring to' " League rules clarify" in questionable matters... but they invite these debates with their less defined rules
 
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