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Initial Thoughts bears Game

insaniti said:
Freaking Mason Rudolph, had 5.5 up and two giant turnovers. He wasn't the ONLY reason we lost, but he was one of them...
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He’s the backup quarterback making what 2 million a year. I think I’m a wee bit more concerned about our 30 million dollars receiver with 22 yards and on pace for like 700. And our coaching staff putting a TE on the bears top pass rusher multiple times including on that strip sack that our backup quarterback had less than 2 seconds to throw the football.
 
my 1st thought was what happened for me to be concerned that Broderick Jones might not be able to go next week
 
FordFairLane said:
He’s the backup quarterback making what 2 million a year. I think I’m a wee bit more concerned about our 30 million dollars receiver with 22 yards and on pace for like 700. And our coaching staff putting a TE on the bears top pass rusher multiple times including on that strip sack that our backup quarterback had less than 2 seconds to throw the football.
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I know you love you some Rudy, but he was horrible today. There were several times where he had plenty of time to throw the ball and flat out missed. All his deep shots were bad throws. Wilson had his man beat easily on the last one, and he couldn't even keep it in bounds. His footwork was flat, pocket awareness worse. That first sack, he ran right into the pressure, the strip sack, the same thing. Not one throw over the middle of the field, where the bears were missing their entire starting lb core...

Like I said, not the ONLY reason, but he wasn't a positive for today either... going into the 4th quarter he had Justin Fields for the Jets type numbers, back up or not
 
Initial thought:
Somehow it doesn't surprise me that in a period of a mere six weeks, the Steelers have gone from a 2.5 game lead in the division (and a 3.5 game lead over Baltimore) to being relegated to the IN THE HUNT category when the standings are shown.

Other thoughts:
1) Rudolph had given me some false hope last week when he actually threw the ball accurately down the field when needed. Today he was just hard to watch, even against a below average Chicago passing defense, reminding me why I never really liked the guy very much.
2) The fact that they completely ignored throwing the ball 10-15 yards down the middle of the field, with the Bears' already shorthanded linebacking corps on life support, is essentially coaching malpractice. We all know that Tomlin has had his thumb on this offense (and defense, for that matter) for as long as we can remember. Arthur Smith is just another puppet in a long line of coordinators handicapped by their head coach.
3) There were some very good blocks executed early on in the short passing game, but when you continue to go back to that underneath well over and over and over again, even a porous and undermanned defense is going to make adjustments, and the Bears did so.
4) Once the Steelers blew the lead in the third quarter and fell behind by ten points in the fourth, there was just no sense of urgency. There never is. Yes, 73-yard TD drives are nice. But when you take over half of the final period off of the clock while you're running the ball up the middle and taking 30 seconds a play, it shortens the game, and you're still behind. If they had just played a little faster on that possession, they'd have had more time at the end. But Tomlin doesn't deal with hypotheticals.
5) I sang the praises of Kyle Dugger for his pick six last week...today he drops one right in his hands. *sigh*
 
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topseed said:
2) The fact that they completely ignored throwing the ball 10-15 yards down the middle of the field, with the Bears' already shorthanded linebacking corps on life support, is essentially coaching malpractice. We all know that Tomlin has had his thumb on this offense (and defense, for that matter) for as long as we can remember. Arthur Smith is just another puppet in a long line of coordinators handicapped by their head coach.
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The passing chart for yesterday was inexcusable.

The Steelers generally just ignore the middle third of the field in the passing game and have for years, regardless of QB or OC. On top of that, just about everything deep is a straight fade down the sideline.

The Steelers have to have had the most conservative approach toward offensive football in the league over the past 5 or 6 years.

I know the QB play hasn't been great, but you have to at least try to attack all parts of the field consistently.

As it relates to the middle of the field, why have Freiermuth, Washington AND Jonnu on the roster if you're just going to throw dump offs and screens to them all game?

They're good players, but when you're relying on yards after the catch from TEs to move the ball, you've lost the plot from an offensive scheme and philosophy standpoint.

It's easy to say the game has just passed Tomlin by, but noone was trying to play offense like this back in the 2000s when he broke into the league.

He's kind of created this stupidity on his own over time, prioritizing turnovers/splash over yards and points.
 
 
jitter77 said:
the bears 4,5,6 LBers started then 2 got hurt. That would be like us losing watt, highsmith, queen. then Wilson and herbig get hurt. We would give up 70
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Unless we were playing the Steelers………………


Salute the nation
 
Steelersreign said:
he trust this offense more than Boswell I guess.
I am not sure why.
We need a new coach
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That thought has crossed my mind………………… Will have to get new team photos and things of that nature




Salute the nation
 
I think the pass rush was good yesterday and has been all year. The problem is the coverage. The QB has hot routes wide open on nearly every play. So even if Watt or Herbig wins clean, the QB just flips it to a RB or a wide open slant.

They needed to bring some blitzes up the middle to move Caleb of his spot and off his 1st read. That’s when he does dumb **** like in the endzone.
 
interestingly, the Giants just fired their DC... and their Defense isnt anywhere near as expensive as ours... and we're just "shades" better.

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tapeANaspirin2it said:
I think the pass rush was good yesterday and has been all year. The problem is the coverage. The QB has hot routes wide open on nearly every play. So even if Watt or Herbig wins clean, the QB just flips it to a RB or a wide open slant.

They needed to bring some blitzes up the middle to move Caleb of his spot and off his 1st read. That’s when he does dumb **** like in the endzone.
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The pass rush was bad yesterday. If I can find the stat I’ll post it but Williams was barely pressured.
 
NoKap#7 said:
I only need to talk about 2018 and beyond. You can go and read on your own what I said about his time with the Killer Bs. Im not repeating it but neither you nor anybody else has any legitimate argument against what I said and oh yeah I also mentioned the defenses they played with which the only one of significance was the 2017 one. All the other defenses were outside top 10. 2018 is irrelevant since that was the end of the Killer Bs.

As far as not having a coaching tree im not sure whats that supposed to prove. Belichek, arguably the best Coach of all time had several coordinators go on to NFL head coaching positions and they all failed.
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Yeah, Bellicheat has had some failures off his coaching tree.
He's also had some successes.
Tomlin has neither.
Not successes. Not failures. NOTHING!
Nobody on any of the other 31 teams has looked at Tomlin coordinators/coaches/etc. and said, "Hey, we need that guy in our organization. This guy has something and we think he could fix __________."
NOT
A
SINGLE
TIME.
 
I don't know if it was posted on here somewhere, but I did see where they did not throw to the middle of the field, so I wasn't imagining it. Tomlin went right back to the BS we've seen for a few years now. Avoid the middle of the field at all costs. This time, it probably cost them a playoff spot.
 
TDX27 said:
I don't know if it was posted on here somewhere, but I did see where they did not throw to the middle of the field, so I wasn't imagining it. Tomlin went right back to the BS we've seen for a few years now. Avoid the middle of the field at all costs. This time, it probably cost them a playoff spot.
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Especially with aarod out we all knew this was gonna happen
 
fedderone said:
Yeah, Bellicheat has had some failures off his coaching tree.
He's also had some successes.
Tomlin has neither.
Not successes. Not failures. NOTHING!
Nobody on any of the other 31 teams has looked at Tomlin coordinators/coaches/etc. and said, "Hey, we need that guy in our organization. This guy has something and we think he could fix __________."
NOT
A
SINGLE
TIME.
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What successes are you talking about in relation to the "Bellicheat" coaching tree in the NFL???

Tomlin sucks at picking coordinators and assistant coaches although you could say he did elevate Bruce Arians. He didnt just allow him to walk after Cowher retired. Some might say Todd Haley was a good hire. Idk if Ben agrees with that?? That being said, he doesnt have an eye for the next big thing and thats an understatement. Thus, he doesnt have the coaching tree you guys would so like to judge him by.

That being said your your disdain or the despise with which you look at Tomlin regarding his Coaching tree actually doesnt take away from his legacy. If you had a bunch of below par coordinators and assistant coaches on your staff and you somehow managed to keep the team above grade he cant possibly be as bad as you make him out to be.

For the record I think the Steelers will keep.him around until the end of the current contract, but mainly because of the money they are paying him. If the Steelers dont make a deep playoff run between now and the end of his contract im counting on him not being resigned. If it was up to me he would not be at least.
 
NoKap#7 said:
What successes are you talking about in relation to the "Bellicheat" coaching tree in the NFL???

Tomlin sucks at picking coordinators and assistant coaches although you could say he did elevate Bruce Arians. He didnt just allow him to walk after Cowher retired. Some might say Todd Haley was a good hire. Idk if Ben agrees with that?? That being said, he doesnt have an eye for the next big thing and thats an understatement. Thus, he doesnt have the coaching tree you guys would so like to judge him by.

That being said your your disdain or the despise with which you look at Tomlin regarding his Coaching tree actually doesnt take away from his legacy. If you had a bunch of below par coordinators and assistant coaches on your staff and you somehow managed to keep the team above grade he cant possibly be as bad as you make him out to be.

For the record I think the Steelers will keep.him around until the end of the current contract, but mainly because of the money they are paying him. If the Steelers dont make a deep playoff run between now and the end of his contract im counting on him not being resigned. If it was up to me he would not be at least.
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The successes I speak of is other teams interviewing and hiring coordinators and coaches that were developed by Bellicheat.
The fact that Romeo Crennel, Jim Schwartz, Eric Mangini, Bill O'Brien, Brian Flores, Josh McDaniels, Al Groh, Joe Judge, and Charlie Weis all got HC gigs.
NOT saying they were awesome. Not saying they should have been given their respective jobs. Not saying anything other than 31 other teams besides the Patriots (and colleges) wanted a piece of the awesomeness that is Bellicheat, and hoped that poaching one of these guys would work out for them because Bellicheat is a genius and taught these men "the way".

My ask is - IF Tomlin is the bag of chips you think he is, by the Tarzan like swinging you're doing off his jockstrap, how come there is not one single NFL head coach (or college) that came from him? How come nobody has interviewed for a head coaching job after being under him?
And no, you do not get to count Arians, as he was a holdover on the staff from Cowher. Tomlin did not hire him.
Todd Haley was NOT Tomlin's call, it was Rooney's. That is well documented. Just like Ben was not Cowher's pick and forced by Rooney. And Haley is from another tree anyways and was a retread at that time.

You say a coaching tree isn't a measure of a coach's greatness. Maybe that's true.
But I'm just talking about the total galactic size canyon between the media public perception of Tomlin is, which is your perception, that he walks on water and is merely screwed by shoddy QB play the last decade, and the reality that the other 31 teams (and colleges) don't think of him anywhere near that as they haven't even asked permission to interview a coach on his staff. IF you and the media were correct in your thinking, wouldn't a team want SOMEONE under him that learned the same magic, or that he taught the formula to for never a losing season? Don't you think the Browns, Jets, Iowa, and/or UCLA would love that about now?
 
 
fedderone said:
The successes I speak of is other teams interviewing and hiring coordinators and coaches that were developed by Bellicheat.
The fact that Romeo Crennel, Jim Schwartz, Eric Mangini, Bill O'Brien, Brian Flores, Josh McDaniels, Al Groh, Joe Judge, and Charlie Weis all got HC gigs.
NOT saying they were awesome. Not saying they should have been given their respective jobs. Not saying anything other than 31 other teams besides the Patriots (and colleges) wanted a piece of the awesomeness that is Bellicheat, and hoped that poaching one of these guys would work out for them because Bellicheat is a genius and taught these men "the way".

My ask is - IF Tomlin is the bag of chips you think he is, by the Tarzan like swinging you're doing off his jockstrap, how come there is not one single NFL head coach (or college) that came from him? How come nobody has interviewed for a head coaching job after being under him?
And no, you do not get to count Arians, as he was a holdover on the staff from Cowher. Tomlin did not hire him.
Todd Haley was NOT Tomlin's call, it was Rooney's. That is well documented. Just like Ben was not Cowher's pick and forced by Rooney. And Haley is from another tree anyways and was a retread at that time.

You say a coaching tree isn't a measure of a coach's greatness. Maybe that's true.
But I'm just talking about the total galactic size canyon between the media public perception of Tomlin is, which is your perception, that he walks on water and is merely screwed by shoddy QB play the last decade, and the reality that the other 31 teams (and colleges) don't think of him anywhere near that as they haven't even asked permission to interview a coach on his staff. IF you and the media were correct in your thinking, wouldn't a team want SOMEONE under him that learned the same magic, or that he taught the formula to for never a losing season? Don't you think the Browns, Jets, Iowa, and/or UCLA would love that about now?
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Its amazing how often and how quickly you guys try to go below the belt just because someone doesnt agree with your take on someone. You got time to do that then you got time to go back and forth by yourself. Im on the side of being fair and objective regardless of what i think of a person and refuse to allow any personal bias to impact my thinking.

Personally i think its about time the Steelers move on from him, but with fans like you i have no problem sitting here and laughing in your face while Tomlin keeps collecting a paycheck. I was trying not to go the route you dod in this last post and I won't be because its not worth it. Now you can go argue with your momma.
 
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Fedderone lists NINE assistants under Belichick who got HC jobs. NINE. Points out that exactly ZERO of Tomlin's staff ever became a HC (since Arians was a Cowher holdover), and in fact no team - college or pro - has any interest at all in Tomlin's coaches.

The only reasonable conclusion is that every other significant football program in the United States beyond the high school level does not want the "Tomlin formula" as part of their scheme.

NoBrain#7 replies:

yOuR'E So MeAn aNd LiStiNg NiNnE BeLLiChiCk AsSiStAnTs iS BeELoW ThE BeLt!
 
Steeltime said:
Fedderone lists NINE assistants under Belichick who got HC jobs. NINE. Points out that exactly ZERO of Tomlin's staff ever became a HC (since Arians was a Cowher holdover), and in fact no team - college or pro - has any interest at all in Tomlin's coaches.

The only reasonable conclusion is that every other significant football program in the United States beyond the high school level does not want the "Tomlin formula" as part of their scheme.

NoBrain#7 replies:

yOuR'E So MeAn aNd LiStiNg NiNnE BeLLiChiCk AsSiStAnTs iS BeELoW ThE BeLt!
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Your attempt to be humorous falls about as flat as your attempt to get a job. He didnt need to tell me who the assistants were that got a job, because i knew that long before he commented on it. Ive seen the posts and comments you guys make on here a 1000 times. What he failed to do was "keep it cordial" which a immature petulant child like yourself could never comprehend, but im hoping he does better.

The irony is that people complain about Tomlin doing the same ol same ol with no change, but somehow think their own incessant whining and crying will somehow lead to a change in him being the head coach. I saw you wasted 3 hours of your life in another post pouting about how "boring" the Steelers were only to literally say at the end of the post "I know nothing will change"!!! How insane is that???!! You're not getting paid, no one of relevance is looking at your post. Why waste your time like that?? I dont have time like that when I know the conclusion of the conversation.

Why sit here and entertain people talking slick behind a keyboard and doing coward ish (knowing full well they wouldnt say what they say to someone's face because theyre scared they would get the Mario coins knocked out of them) when we're talking about something thats going to be the same tomorrow whether we're here, or not?? Im good about 24 hours after a win or loss for this team BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT IT IS. Life goes on for me....apparently not for u. I get on here for fun, but if people cant "keep it cute" then find somebody else to argue with. We can agree to disagree, but dont say nothing youre not gonna say to nobody face.
 
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jitter77 said:
Too many missed chances. The dropped gift int gave the bears 3. Illegal formation at the end made us punt. Missed open WRs, etc etc.... In fairness the bears missed a lot of passes early on too. Still no excuse for a poor offensive performance. The Bears were missing guys who accounted for 30% of their total tackles and were down to their 7th / 8th LBs.
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Bingo.
 
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