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Incredible Article Detailing Tomlin's Failure to Develop DBs, Very Depressing

I have said it for a a few years now, there is no way our scouting department and GM have missed on pretty much every DB we have drafted. Eventually it is on the coaching staff to develop players.
 
Well I never understood taking Edmund's in the first round over Reid and Bates who were clearly rated higher. What the hell did Tombert see in Edmund's who was rated as a late round prospect to take him in the first. I cannot believe our scouts had this kid rated higher than the other two.
 
steelhurt said:
Well I never understood taking Edmund's in the first round over Reid and Bates who were clearly rated higher. What the hell did Tombert see in Edmund's who was rated as a late round prospect to take him in the first. I cannot believe our scouts had this kid rated higher than the other two.
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Either Reid or Bates would have been better. Reid was my choice in round one, he's having an excellent rookie season.
 
I can understand the thought process behind taking Edmunds over those guys.
We'd just lost Shazier. We needed a hybrid LB/S. Edmunds was the guy who best exemplified that.

I wasn't sure we should have taken him either, though, as I wanted Harold Landry. I figured more pressure on the QB would make the secondary better.
Bates almost made it back to us in the second. And i wanted no part of Reid, due to his brother and off-field crap social activism.
 
steelhurt said:
Well I never understood taking Edmund's in the first round over Reid and Bates who were clearly rated higher. What the hell did Tombert see in Edmund's who was rated as a late round prospect to take him in the first. I cannot believe our scouts had this kid rated higher than the other two.
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The Steelers have been drafting great athletes , Edmunds and DuPree, etc and thinking they can be brought in and coached up into becoming great players. Unfortunately that then falls onto the incompetent Tomlin, Porter and Butler. It is mind boggling how stupid this team can be in continually expecting Tomlin to transform into an actual head coach and to start developing players after years and years of the exact same failures in the exact same areas.
 
Yikes. That puts it in perspective... Ranked 70th. Which means he is likely ranked lower than every single starting Free and Strong Safety in the league and several backups.

That's crazy! I mean as a rookie, you may not expect him to be top 32, or even 45. But to be worse than EVERY SINGLE starting safety in the league.

Ouch.
 
Whoever is scouting DBs for the Seahawks needs to be hired.

Last night I watched them use a bunch of guys cut from the same cloth. All were athletic and had good "ball skills."

BTW: The Seahawks starting running back, Chris Carson, was a 7th round pick (from Okla. State). Had 90 yards and a TD.
 
I am willing to give Edmunds the benefit of the doubt, as he is a rookie without a real coach.
 
Superman said:
I can understand the thought process behind taking Edmunds over those guys.
We'd just lost Shazier. We needed a hybrid LB/S. Edmunds was the guy who best exemplified that.

I wasn't sure we should have taken him either, though, as I wanted Harold Landry. I figured more pressure on the QB would make the secondary better.
Bates almost made it back to us in the second. And i wanted no part of Reid, due to his brother and off-field crap social activism.
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Yeah I can understand that thought process if they were going in that direction but Edmunds? Just not impressed with him.


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Steelers12 said:
The Steelers have been drafting great athletes , Edmunds and DuPree, etc and thinking they can be brought in and coached up into becoming great players. Unfortunately that then falls onto the incompetent Tomlin, Porter and Butler. It is mind boggling how stupid this team can be in continually expecting Tomlin to transform into an actual head coach and to start developing players after years and years of the exact same failures in the exact same areas.
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But, but Tomlin is this defensive guru.


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Ghost of Frenchy Fuqua said:
Whoever is scouting DBs for the Seahawks needs to be hired.

Last night I watched them use a bunch of guys cut from the same cloth. All were athletic and had good "ball skills."

BTW: The Seahawks starting running back, Chris Carson, was a 7th round pick (from Okla. State). Had 90 yards and a TD.
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DB's can be difficult to scout based on the scheme they play and sometimes their level of competition. Most of the top prospects have good speed and comparable measures.

Things that stick out to me on film are ball skills, confidence, football IQ, and technique.


I wasn't a fan of the Burns pick, or Edumunds in round one. And that Golson pick really ticked me off!


I wanted X Howard and J Reid instead of Burns and Edmunds.

In 2018 Howard has 7 interceptions and 12 passes defended, and as a rookie, Justin Reid has 3 interceptions, with nine passes defended. Giving Cortez Allen a long term deal was highly questionable too.


While I applauded the move to add Haden in free agency, the drafting of the players, and the lack of development of them is holding the team back. If we can get Ramsey via trade I say do it because drafting and developing our own corners just isn't working out.
 
Ghost of Frenchy Fuqua said:
Whoever is scouting DBs for the Seahawks needs to be hired.

Last night I watched them use a bunch of guys cut from the same cloth. All were athletic and had good "ball skills."

BTW: The Seahawks starting running back, Chris Carson, was a 7th round pick (from Okla. State). Had 90 yards and a TD.
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That was depressing to watch. It seemed like they had 3 extra guys in the defensive secondary at times.
 
I’ve said it for the past 7-8 years. I refuse to believe the eye for talent is that bad, especially when the offensive drafting is so money. Players are not developed and they are schemed badly, making them all look silly. Some may be busts athletically like Jarvis but for the most part, I have a hold time assuming Steelers defensive players lack ability until I see them with a competent HC, DC, and position coaches


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Everyone else knows they are bad in this area so hopefully the Rooney's realize it and soon. And, then, hopefully they will force them to bring in a scout for that particular area to assist. But, my guess is nothing will happen and Tomlin and Colbert will both be here for the foreseeable future.
 
I get the argument that it’s player development, but even when they leave us, none of the picks are playing anywhere else. I swear I’d rather have Russ Cockrell back right now lol
 
Steelers12 said:
WRs are good because of Ben and the fact Tomlin doesn't coach any part pf the offense.
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No they're good because they're good. Has nothing to do with anything else.
 
steelhurt said:
I never understood taking Edmund's in the first round over Reid and Bates who were clearly rated higher. What the hell did Tombert see in Edmund's who was rated as a late round prospect to take him in the first. I cannot believe our scouts had this kid rated higher than the other two.
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Fire the scouts too, I think all they do is look at combine tape, not players with actual football skills
 
2015:


Senquez Golson, Round 2 - A terrible what were they thinking type of pick. Small, fragile and not fast. A slot guy only. Bust


Doran Grant, Round 3 - Okay I'll admit it, I liked this pick. He didn't run as fast as his 40 times indicated. Could have been tried at safety.


Gerod Holliman, Round 7 - Round seven, not much to crow about here.


2016:


Artie Burns, Round 1 - I was on record that X Howard was the better player. And he is by far. We also had a chance to trade down and pick up an extra 3rd. Burns looks like a bust.


Sean Davis, Round 2 - I took a look at other boards, maybe I troll him a bit too much but he's a weak link with poor ball skills and once again leads the team in missed tackles.




2017:


Cameron Sutton, Round 3 - I liked this pick as a 3rd or 4th corner, which is what he has shown. Assignment sound, just not very big or fast.


Brian Allen, Round 5 - The 52nd or 53 man on the team. He has looked poor in the pre-season games. Could be his last season on the team as he has not developed into someone the coaches play.



2018:


Terrell Edmunds, Round 1 - Many including myself felt he was a reach. He's been okay as a rookie. His awareness and coverage skills need work.


Marcus Allen, Round 5 - Too slow and with very poor ball skills, I think this was a bad 5th round pick.




Summary: The Steelers missed in rounds 1, 2, and 3. Our best DB's were Haden, who was a cut by the Browns ( I think we all wanted him ) and Hilton as a rookie free agent, who Tomlin has demoted. When Haden is out, this entire unit is just plain awful.


I am for trading for Ramsey and would be fine if we traded our 1st and 3rd to get him. We have the cap space, and he's a shutdown type with excellent ball skills. With him and Haden, teams won't be able to pass on us easily, and we can afford to play tighter man, or even bump and run. You'd have to assume Edmunds will be a little better in his second season. Davis remains, but I think he's a very replaceable type of player. Under such a scenario the Steelers would likely use their 2nd round pick on an inside linebacker.
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2017: Cameron Sutton, Round 3/Brian Allen, Round 5
2018: Terrell Edmunds, Round 1/Marcus Allen, Round 5
 
It’s about scheme all these guys can be salvaged if build the scheme to fit the players: Edmunds with his speed should be playing as a single over the top FS... Marcus allen at strong safety and Matt Thomas at will linebacker Vince Williams and TJ Watt as linebackers all off them in the box, Dupree at de with Tuitt, Hargrove, Haywood rounding out front eight. With Dupree at end you can zone blitz and drop him into coverage but 95 percent of the time he’d be pass rushing. All these are more than capable of contributing to a winning defense. Better scheme that the lame, horrid abortion of a “hybrid” defense with two down linemen we play now.
 
Coach said:
Summary: The Steelers missed in rounds 1, 2, and 3. Our best DB's were Haden, who was a cut by the Browns ( I think we all wanted him ) and Hilton as a rookie free agent, who Tomlin has demoted. When Haden is out, this entire unit is just plain awful.
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They might as well give up drafting defense and just sign FA's and make trades for experienced DB's. Obviously our best DB's are players of pedigree from other teams, if you will, obviously, but the sun will come up tomorrow, you betchu bottom dollar.
 
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