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T....Tomlin sucks. *ahem*
In search of the real Mike Tomlin
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I can live with that opinion. As for some of the other "observations"/etc. in this thread ... smh.
Shades is a good coach but often makes bone-headed decisions that leave you scratching your head, or worse, lose games. Thing is, given his record, there has to be about 28 head coaches who do more bone-headed **** than he does, obviously, if you will.
Back in the 70's we had about seven future HOF head coaches going at each other every week.
Back in the 70's we had about seven future HOF head coaches going at each other every week.
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To me the head coach should have his finger on every aspect of the organization. My biggest problem is that Tomlin just seems to be along for the ride especially on game day.
For example when we run the 2 DL crap and constantly get torched i would expect a competent coach to tell the D coordinator to stop running that ****. Also if tomlin is responsible for that formation then he should check his ego and get rid of it. Another example i think it was the lions last year. We were getting picked apart with the same pass play. The HC should step in and have the D make the adjustment. There are many examples of us doing the same thing over and over and it does not work.
Also i do not think tomlin is very strong on personnel decisions. Bottom line is i just do not think he is a good Xs and Os coach whatsoever.
For example when we run the 2 DL crap and constantly get torched i would expect a competent coach to tell the D coordinator to stop running that ****. Also if tomlin is responsible for that formation then he should check his ego and get rid of it. Another example i think it was the lions last year. We were getting picked apart with the same pass play. The HC should step in and have the D make the adjustment. There are many examples of us doing the same thing over and over and it does not work.
Also i do not think tomlin is very strong on personnel decisions. Bottom line is i just do not think he is a good Xs and Os coach whatsoever.
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Only one piece of that talent is still here. Tomlin got that talent, which went 8-8 the year before he took over, to 2 SB s
When you have to start your criticisms with "if another coach had this much talent..." You *should* realize the problem with your premise. But you bull forward ignoring the obvious. Time and time, again.
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Overall, I care zero about whether the other team gets lots of yards. As long as your O executes and scores points while D allows fewer points than the O scores. Getting the W is what matters and gets you into the playoffs for a chance to go further.
Can you imagine how many Superbowls we'd have made it to if Bellicheat was in the NFC?
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What about the underhanded stuff??? WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THAT GOT BILLICHEAT to the SB?????
I hear exactly what you are saying but also want to contribute this as well.
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Several more but then he'd have probably beaten us in them most of the time. Belicheat is a bit off at a neutral site but the Pats***** offense does best what the Steeler defense defends worst.
Never said it wasn't.
What I said was Marvin Lewis most likely could have done pretty much the same body of work with the Steelers, along with the help of a better GM and an overall superior front office, as Tomlin has. And I stand by that opinion.
Gee, that's exactly how I run my ages 9 through 11 flag football team. We gave up a rushing touchdown on the first play of the game to their best player. I asked my defensive coordinator whose man was that, and he told me it was Eli (not our best player). I said, from here on out, I want Andrew (our best player) covering that guy no matter where he lines up. Then Andrew shuts player X down the rest of the game, and we win 32-14.
Simplistic? Indeed. Necessary? You bet.
So what? Marvin Lewis turned the worst Bengals team in franchise history (and that's saying something) into 8-8 after one year. You telling me he couldn't have guided that loaded Steelers team one year removed from Super Bowl XL back there in 2008?
There's no problem with my premise. You bull forward providing the same old tired Tomlin bullshit about his inheriting some crappy 8-8 team...yeah, .500 teams with a budding future hall of fame quarterback and a terrific defense with two future Defensive Players of the Year just grow on ******* trees, don't they?
Time and time again, you people deflect and don't answer questions, so I'll ask it again: DO YOU THINK THAT MIKE BROWN IS AS GOOD A GM AS KEVIN COLBERT?
You guys are pissed off at the in game decisions that cost the Steelers games?
You have missed Marvin Lewis as a head coach. No control of the locker room. Players have been public about it. And an actual example of terrible clock management.
IMHO, their drafts have been pretty good recently. It the GM wasn't a, I'm not going to pay this productive player and replace him with a rookie, guy. They would be a lot more competitive in this division.
You have missed Marvin Lewis as a head coach. No control of the locker room. Players have been public about it. And an actual example of terrible clock management.
IMHO, their drafts have been pretty good recently. It the GM wasn't a, I'm not going to pay this productive player and replace him with a rookie, guy. They would be a lot more competitive in this division.
Hypotheticals/hyperbole/assumption ... It's a logical fallacy to base an argument on an assumption that can never be proven. i.e. "Marvin Lewis could have done pretty much the same body of work with the Steelers .... (as Mike Tomlin)".
However, logical fallacy aside, I don't really give a damn what anyone thinks "this or that" coach could have or would have done under the circumstances that Tomlin has had. I'm focused squarely on the Tomlin and Tomlin/Colbert dynamic. Why? Because that's the reality we live in. And, focusing on that dynamic, I'd have to say that we, as a fan base, have had it a lot better than most. Win with the talent at hand? (check). Replace talent on the fly when the talent on hand ages/is injured (check), Keep winning while rebuilding the talent you're surrounded with (check). So, the reality I'm dealing with says that the coach we've had here for the last decade has done a well above average job. Not "All-Time" great, but well above average.
And I stand by that opinion.
Nope, haven't missed it. Same **** with Tomlin. An actual example of no locker control was Antonio Brown doing his own social media thing while the head coach was addressing the team. Are you claiming there's no "actual example" of Tomlin's terrible clock management? If so, you're delusional.
I suppose you're trying to sound intelligent, but there's nothing hyperbolic about what I said. And I'm not arguing a point on behalf of a mathematical proof, am I? I'm stating my opinion that Marvin Lewis and Mike Tomlin would be all but interchangeable. Wait, there's no way to actually prove that? Well, no ****. Really? Thanks for clearing that up.
Here's some more reality for you, over Tomlin's last seven years: Below average 3-5 playoff record (check). Embarrassing first round playoff loss to Tim Tebow and the 8-8 Broncos after going 12-4 (check). Embarrassing one-and-done home playoff loss as a touchdown favorite after going 13-3 (check). Zero SB appearances (check).
Yeah, in the regular season, he sure does keep on winning. Sorry...I'm part of the fan base who's not in a big hurry to pick up another hat that says "AFC NORTH CHAMPIONS" on it.
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Lewis and Tomlin interchangeable? Using the playoffs as a measurement? How many playoff games has Lewis won? How many Superbowls? Championships? Interchangeable coaches? Hardly.
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I don't know -- how many playoff games does Tomlin win with Carson Palmer or Andy Dalton instead of Ben? How much more talent has Tomlin had in general? Lewis has exactly one less Super Bowl win than Tomlin, which came after the 2008 season. Psst...it's 2018 now.
They're as interchangeable as Duracell and Energizer. Too bad we'll never find out, because, you know, it's a "logical fallacy" like the what-if-they-had-drafted-Marino discussion, which God forbid is never to be mentioned again on a Steelers message board due to hypothetical assumption.
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Would it be better to have our ***** beat in the SB? I think not.
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Agree to disagree Seed. How many playoff appearances does Lewis have with Ben? We will never know. There has only been 5 other AFC teams to the SB since 2008. 5 other teams. ML in 15 years has only 7 playoff appearances, all losses. MT 15 playoff appearances in 11 years. We know his record, includes 2 SB appearances and 1 championship. How many would SB would MT or ML have with Brady?
Don’t understand the Marino reference this at all, since Mr. Rooney (Dan) said on numerous occasions himself that he wished they had drafted Marino.
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I read that and am laughing that you have a defensive coordinator for a 9-11 flag football team. Who's the GM? How many scouts do you have on payroll? Do you do film study?
I hope you know that is in good fun.
I dunno I think Lewis is a ok coach, not sure he could have been better than Tomlin. Not that Tomlin is a Juggernaut. Colbert is the better GM I think that is clear across the board.
I give Tomlin some credit for not having a losing season since he has been aboard. He does rally often late. Just not the final rally point that we want, a SB win.
Just from what mess Lewis has allowed in bungle land, tells me he wouldn't be the right fit in the Burgh. So wherever he is rated as a coach you can't leave that important detail out.
Hard to put a final stamp on Tomlin, until we see the final product.
For me it is the difference between good and great.
A wait and see outcome.
I give Tomlin some credit for not having a losing season since he has been aboard. He does rally often late. Just not the final rally point that we want, a SB win.
Just from what mess Lewis has allowed in bungle land, tells me he wouldn't be the right fit in the Burgh. So wherever he is rated as a coach you can't leave that important detail out.
Hard to put a final stamp on Tomlin, until we see the final product.
For me it is the difference between good and great.
A wait and see outcome.
yes, Tomlin should have known, in advance, that AB, in the back of the locker room, in a secluded section, started his FB live post. Yea, that's all on Tomlin... Now if it happened again in the locker room, with any other player, you'd have a point. It didn't, and he took care of it. So what other issue outside of the coach's control do you want to blame Tomlin for?
I have a spreadsheet on Tomlin's Clock management. I've done the work. You give me an example where he is terrible at clock management, because I only found one instance that could have cost us the game last year (and guess what, we still won that game).
Lewis could only win with Dick Lebeau's players!!!!
Fire Lewis, He suck!!!
Lolz....
Fire Lewis, He suck!!!
Lolz....