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If Rudolph isn't the guy.......

SteelerSask said:
Ben was a 6 year pro when Randy became the qb coach. I think he is a good relationship coach which is a hugely important thing. I see nothing in his bio that would lead me to believe he is great at developing young QBs. They have had a slew of them in the time he has been QB coach. None of them developed.
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I dunno Sask, seems Fichtner has had a hand in developing plenty of young QB's.

Fichtner began his coaching career as a graduate assistant, serving with Michigan, USC, UNLV, and Memphis from 1986–1987, 1988, 1989, and 1990–1993 respectively. He served as QB coach/mentor at Purdue, Michigan, Tennessee, Cal, and Southern Miss. He then earned the position of wide receivers coach and recruiting director at Purdue in 1994, serving for two years before moving to Arkansas State to become the offensive coordinator from 1997–2001. At Michigan, Fichtner took underclassman Tom Brady under his wing, teaching him throwing technique and footwork, which Brady has turned into a long pro career. At Purdue, Fichtner chiseled Drew Brees's raw skills into that of a star QB. At Cal, Fichtner worked tirelessly with Aaron Rogers, refining his throwing motion and the taught him the intricacies of calling his own plays. During a stint at Tennessee, Fichtner was primarily responsible for Peyton Manning's development. In addition, Fichtner worked with Brett Favre at Southern Miss, teaching him the fundamentals of QB play. Under Fichtner's tutelage, former CFL quarterback Cleo Lemon flourished, setting numerous school records for passing and total offense. Fichtner returned to Memphis in 2001 to serve as offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach, instituting a new, highly effective spread offense that set school records for total offense. The new system allowed the teams to amass prolific offensive statistics, totalling over 5,000 yards in both 2003 and 2004 to rank in the top ten for both yardage and scoring, as well as supporting the development of quarterback Danny Wimprine and running back DeAngelo Williams.[SUP][1][/SUP]
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Rudolph is playing better than the other QBs in his class. I don’t count Lamar Jackson because he’s essentially a wildcat RB. Plus, he sucked his first year starting.

Josh Rosen is terrible. Josh Allen is tough to evaluate because Buffalo plays close defensive games and they mostly tell Allen not to screw it up. In any case, he hasn’t shown any greatness yet. Darnold is also tough to figure right now. The Jets OL is garbage. His coach seems to have no idea how to use Lev Bell in the passing game, and their WRs are mediocre. He’s shown some flashes but nothing better than Mason has shown.

After this season, the steelers should have a good feel for whether Mason is the guy for the future. Best case is he keeps getting better and in a few years he takes over like Rodgers from Favre. Worst case is the steelers have themselves a pretty good backup and they can try again for another heir apparent in the draft.
 
Tibs said:
I dunno Sask, seems Fichtner has had a hand in developing plenty of young QB's.
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As coach:
Michigan (1986–1987)
Graduate assistant
Southern California (1988)
Graduate assistant
Nevada–Las Vegas (1989)
Graduate assistant
Memphis (1990–1993)
Quarterbacks Coach
Purdue (1994–1996)
Wide receivers coach & recruiting director
Arkansas State (1997–2000)
Offensive coordinator
Memphis (2001–2006)
Offensive coordinator & quarterbacks coach
Pittsburgh Steelers (2007–present)
– Wide receivers coach (2007–2009)
– Quarterbacks coach (2010–2017)
– Offensive coordinator & quarterbacks coach (2018–present)
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I'm not saying he never worked a day with those guys, but the timeline of his coaching career does not line up with a single one of those guys being directly under his coaching. Like how would have he worked tirelessly with Aaron Rogers at Cal State when he was employed by Memphis at the same time.
 
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Tibs said:
250-pound Ben
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Hey, I'm glad Ben has been our FQB for the last 15 years, but Ben is 300 if he's an ounce...

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... and paired perfectly with our retired 315lb HoF tailback.

Weight wise, MR could put on a few pounds in the weight room, while doing some speed training. He's enough of a fanatic that he probably will.
 
SteelerSask said:
I'm not saying he never worked a day with those guys, but the timeline of his coaching career does not line up with a single one of those guys being directly under his coaching. Like how would have he worked tirelessly with Aaron Rogers at Cal State when he was employed by Memphis at the same time.
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Just joshin' with ya. :)
 
nm. I guess I should read the entire thread.

good gag Tibs.
 
Tibs said:
Sorry guys, I pulled that out of thin air, just made it up on the spot as I rewrote the bio. My dad jokes are limitless. I'll let myself out... :yo:
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I now I have to fact check you! lol, totally suckered me.
 
Steelworth said:
To expand on your point, he has 3 less TDs (and 7 less INTS) than the passing leader in the NFL. He's completing 65% of his passes at 6.6 YPA (not a great YPA) but he's quietly getting just enough done & without much help w/ his WRs dropping passes left and right.

And he's got a helluva lot better passer rating and stat line than that douchebag in Cleveland who acts like he's the second coming. Completion %? Check. More TDs? Check. Less INTs? Big Check. Passer rating? Check. Baker has him by a whopping .5% YPA, that's it. And that's with a potent running attack and some star WRs.

**** Baker Mayfield and again, **** the Browns.
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YPA counts YAC yards and isn't an indicator of how far the ball was thrown. You can go to Next Gen stats and you'll see that only Rosen in Miami has a lower average completed air yards. Stafford leads the league with 8.3 while Rudolph has a 4.3. That's a 4 yard per throw difference. Even Jackson is throwing it at a 6.7 clip.
 
Tibs said:
Just joshin' with ya. :)
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That was pretty good I gotta say. I was on a couple of his bios and the only name that came up was Cleo Lemon. And I'm probably the only one who would know who that is. He was pretty much a failed CFL guy. So I was like WTF.
 
Best thing that can happen right now is we pound the rock with efficiency and violence. That's the solution for this season. The OL needs to step its game up if they want to go places this year. Grind it and take your shots downfield when they come up.
 
taking the thread in a different direction, I have thought for years that NFL teams should use computer simulations to help young players - especially young qb's - take "mental reps". I used to imagine it like a First Person Shooter Video game where you could a player could see opposing teams right down to correct jersey colors and numbers on a big screen. In theory, a young Qb could go through a couple hundred defensive variations of an upcoming opponent in a very short time. Since it is all in a theater, you never line up a practice squad player, worry about weather, etc. Now, with the advent of augmented reality through things like occulus rift, seems you could do a fairly impressive reproduction in a "helmet". Heck, a qb could even "drop back" in the theater and see plays unfold. A center could see a hundred schemes to call protections against and all of it in real time. Yes, it would take quite a bit to set up, but given the money and prestige on the line, seems to me it would be well worth it the returns. You could some pretty darn impressive mental reps.

ahh. ok. ok. I'll put my nerdiness away now and eat some more victory chili from yesterday's win.
 
Vader said:
YPA counts YAC yards and isn't an indicator of how far the ball was thrown. You can go to Next Gen stats and you'll see that only Rosen in Miami has a lower average completed air yards. Stafford leads the league with 8.3 while Rudolph has a 4.3. That's a 4 yard per throw difference. Even Jackson is throwing it at a 6.7 clip.
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You say that like Jackson isn't having a pretty damn good year at the moment.
 
Hoot said:
taking the thread in a different direction, I have thought for years that NFL teams should use computer simulations to help young players - especially young qb's - take "mental reps". I used to imagine it like a First Person Shooter Video game where you could a player could see opposing teams right down to correct jersey colors and numbers on a big screen. In theory, a young Qb could go through a couple hundred defensive variations of an upcoming opponent in a very short time. Since it is all in a theater, you never line up a practice squad player, worry about weather, etc. Now, with the advent of augmented reality through things like occulus rift, seems you could do a fairly impressive reproduction in a "helmet". Heck, a qb could even "drop back" in the theater and see plays unfold. A center could see a hundred schemes to call protections against and all of it in real time. Yes, it would take quite a bit to set up, but given the money and prestige on the line, seems to me it would be well worth it the returns. You could some pretty darn impressive mental reps.

ahh. ok. ok. I'll put my nerdiness away now and eat some more victory chili from yesterday's win.
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They could apply this to the refs as well. Make them full time NFL employees and have them train and test in the off-season. They could simulate rules changes, etc. etc. The possibilities are just about endless.
 
And since we're going all nerd, they should be using grids and cameras for ball location on all plays. Chip the ball, grid the field, and you'll never need a measurement again.
 
43Hitman said:
And since we're going all nerd, they should be using grids and cameras for ball location on all plays. Chip the ball, grid the field, and you'll never need a measurement again.
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I was chatting with my son last night about baseball going full auto-ump. I really hate the idea for baseball because you take an amazing element out of the game by removing a human umpire. If you don't know what it is, watch the entire clip (NSFW):


But in the NFL, I would be just fine with chipping the ball and such.
 
Steelworth said:
And make him even more of a statue? That's the one thing I'd like to see them do with him, move him out of the pocket a bit on some designed roll-outs (like on that 4th and 1 play yesterday).
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This is the thing I dislike the most about him. He has stone feet. He drops back and. .....that’s it. No movement, no flow for what the pocket gives you. I think a lot of his sacks and other negative plays could be avoided with some slight movement up in the pocket. Maybe that comes in time? Donno. Seems that is a trait. Still. Rook for all it’s worth. He is what we got. Let’s rolls
 
Hoot said:
taking the thread in a different direction, I have thought for years that NFL teams should use computer simulations to help young players - especially young qb's - take "mental reps". I used to imagine it like a First Person Shooter Video game where you could a player could see opposing teams right down to correct jersey colors and numbers on a big screen. In theory, a young Qb could go through a couple hundred defensive variations of an upcoming opponent in a very short time. Since it is all in a theater, you never line up a practice squad player, worry about weather, etc. Now, with the advent of augmented reality through things like occulus rift, seems you could do a fairly impressive reproduction in a "helmet". Heck, a qb could even "drop back" in the theater and see plays unfold. A center could see a hundred schemes to call protections against and all of it in real time. Yes, it would take quite a bit to set up, but given the money and prestige on the line, seems to me it would be well worth it the returns. You could some pretty darn impressive mental reps.

ahh. ok. ok. I'll put my nerdiness away now and eat some more victory chili from yesterday's win.
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What’s your K/D?
 
Ironcitysteelers said:
This is the thing I dislike the most about him. He has stone feet. He drops back and. .....that’s it. No movement, no flow for what the pocket gives you. I think a lot of his sacks and other negative plays could be avoided with some slight movement up in the pocket. Maybe that comes in time? Donno. Seems that is a trait. Still. Rook for all it’s worth. He is what we got. Let’s rolls
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I think some of that is the speed of the game. He is thinking too much. The pocket feel should come with repetition.
 
stillwright said:
You say that like Jackson isn't having a pretty damn good year at the moment.
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He is but he isn't know for his long ball. He isn't throwing a lot of long passes but he's still throwing further than Rudolph.
 
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