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If Bell Holds out to week 10

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If Bell holds out to week 10, If I were Colbert and Rooney, I would franchise Bell a third time for the 17.45 million, just to delay and make him another year older. Supposedly they were willing to pay him around 12.5 million per year.

Any money he loses by not signing before week 10 (8.5 Million) rolls over into next year’s salary cap.

This way they get 8.5 million that he loses this year into roll over next year, so for the rest of this year he gets 6 million, 17.45 million next year for a total of 23.45 million dollars if he wises up and reports on time next year.

In all it only costs the Steelers around 11.8 million per year on salary cap for those 2 years, which is less than they were reportedly ready to pay him. Plus, no dead money at the end of next year. If Conner does great, then even if Bell holds out again next year the money that he loses each week goes back into Salary Cap for 2020, and he can see what kind of deal a 29 year old RB gets.
 
I might be wrong, but I think if he signs his tender by week 10, he gets credit for the year and can’t be franchised again.
 
Sarge said:
I might be wrong, but I think if he signs his tender by week 10, he gets credit for the year and can’t be franchised again.
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That is correct. And at seasons end he would be a UFA.
 
Sarge said:
I might be wrong, but I think if he signs his tender by week 10, he gets credit for the year and can’t be franchised again.
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You can franchise a player a maximum of three times so they can franchise him again even if he reports by week 10. The problem with that is if you get franchised a third time, the salary is the average of the top 5 players of the highest paid position, which would be QB.
 
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If they franchise him again, he gets paid QB money, which I believe will be north of $20 million. No way in hell do I do that. We could buy 2 Bells for that.
 
I read that his cap hit next year if franchised again would be 24 mill+
 
I think this is an excellent post, and great thought into cap money.

Hobbs means this:

If Bell holds out till week 10, the Steelers reap a savings of $8.555M that automatically rolls over to next season
3rd Tag would be about $25M next year.
The $8.555 in cap space eats up that $25M and is essentially a 1yr contract for $16.5M, which is only $2M more than this tag.

Looking at it another way, in actual dollars paid:
If Bell only plays 6 games, he makes $5.13M
If he's tagged again next year he makes about $25M
Now that is about $30M for 2 years of service.
This averages to $15M a season!

Much less than Bell wanted, and exactly what the Steelers wanted to pay him. Plus is sets the screws to his agent, the Steelers should nonexclusive tag him, so they can work a deal for draft picks. That's what a smart franchise would do, and would make the players think twice about holding out on a Franchise Tag again. Love this idea!
 
Cope said:
I think this is an excellent post, and great thought into cap money.

Hobbs means this:

If Bell holds out till week 10, the Steelers reap a savings of $8.555M that automatically rolls over to next season
3rd Tag would be about $25M next year.
The $8.555 in cap space eats up that $25M and is essentially a 1yr contract for $16.5M, which is only $2M more than this tag.

Looking at it another way, in actual dollars paid:
If Bell only plays 6 games, he makes $5.13M
If he's tagged again next year he makes about $25M
Now that is about $30M for 2 years of service.
This averages to $15M a season!

Much less than Bell wanted, and exactly what the Steelers wanted to pay him. Plus is sets the screws to his agent, the Steelers should nonexclusive tag him, so they can work a deal for draft picks. That's what a smart franchise would do, and would make the players think twice about holding out on a Franchise Tag again. Love this idea!
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If the Steelers did this to gain some leverage to trade his *** I would be all for it. The Steelers don't operate that way though.
 
I wish I had the money the Steelers do, to waste on a player who doesn’t want to be there.
 
SteelerSask said:
Read he might report Saturday, get his game cheque sunday. Play week 2.
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That report turned out to be false, also mentioned in another thread.

Nobody knows when he will show up, and personally I could care less at this point.
 
Bell Holds Out Until Bye Week

I believe the bye week is a pay week, so kind of dumb to lose 855K just to practice a few days.
Also a 10 game season, plus playoffs would likely take the overworked excuse off the table,
particularly if Steelers are getting production from current backs.
 
The team is going to roll with what it's got. Huge opportunity for James Connor. I like him and hope he excels for now.
 
The Steelers screwed up by allowing this to happen. They should have traded Bell to some dysfunctional franchise over the Summer and been done with it. With Connor, the offense will be just fine...he's not the same back as Bell...but he's good enough.
 
GRBman said:
The Steelers screwed up by allowing this to happen. They should have traded Bell to some dysfunctional franchise over the Summer and been done with it. With Connor, the offense will be just fine...he's not the same back as Bell...but he's good enough.
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They couldn’t trade him over the summer because he has not signed the franchise tag to date.


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Cope said:
I think this is an excellent post, and great thought into cap money.

Hobbs means this:

If Bell holds out till week 10, the Steelers reap a savings of $8.555M that automatically rolls over to next season
3rd Tag would be about $25M next year.
The $8.555 in cap space eats up that $25M and is essentially a 1yr contract for $16.5M, which is only $2M more than this tag.

Looking at it another way, in actual dollars paid:
If Bell only plays 6 games, he makes $5.13M
If he's tagged again next year he makes about $25M
Now that is about $30M for 2 years of service.
This averages to $15M a season!

Much less than Bell wanted, and exactly what the Steelers wanted to pay him. Plus is sets the screws to his agent, the Steelers should nonexclusive tag him, so they can work a deal for draft picks. That's what a smart franchise would do, and would make the players think twice about holding out on a Franchise Tag again. Love this idea!
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They could also keep him on the exempt list once he reports for up to 2 weeks. That means the team decides whether they pay him for those 2 weeks. They could really put the screws to him if he waits til week 10, gets kept on the exempt list and doesn't get paid. I wouldn't mind tagging him again as you noted and working a trade for him. We would get more than we would than letting him walk with a 3rd round compensatory pick.

The Steelers FO doesn't work that way though, at least they haven't previously. It would be a hell of an example to make though.
 
Cope said:
I think this is an excellent post, and great thought into cap money.

Hobbs means this:

If Bell holds out till week 10, the Steelers reap a savings of $8.555M that automatically rolls over to next season
3rd Tag would be about $25M next year.
The $8.555 in cap space eats up that $25M and is essentially a 1yr contract for $16.5M, which is only $2M more than this tag.

Looking at it another way, in actual dollars paid:
If Bell only plays 6 games, he makes $5.13M
If he's tagged again next year he makes about $25M
Now that is about $30M for 2 years of service.
This averages to $15M a season!

Much less than Bell wanted, and exactly what the Steelers wanted to pay him. Plus is sets the screws to his agent, the Steelers should nonexclusive tag him, so they can work a deal for draft picks. That's what a smart franchise would do, and would make the players think twice about holding out on a Franchise Tag again. Love this idea!
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I think the franchise tag value for QBs next year (what Bell would be paid if we tagged him a third time) will be more than $25MIL. Rogers just signed for an average of $33MIL/yr. and Cousins signed for $28MIL/yr. Garropolo $27.5MIL, Stafford $27MIL, and Brees at $25MIL. The average of that is $28.1MIL. There is no way the Steelers will pay that.

Also, if you consider games played, $30MIL for 2 years of service isn't right, since that calculation only has him playing 6 out of 16 games the first year (and probably the second!). That's more like $30MIL for less than one and half years of service.
 
The only thing the Steelers might do after the season is transition tag him, so they could consider matching any offer he gets.
If Steelers had been smart they would have put the non-exclusive tag on Bell this year, so he could have negotiated with
other teams. That at least would have given Bell the opportunity to know what his market value is.
 
CharlesDavenport said:
I think the franchise tag value for QBs next year (what Bell would be paid if we tagged him a third time) will be more than $25MIL. Rogers just signed for an average of $33MIL/yr. and Cousins signed for $28MIL/yr. Garropolo $27.5MIL, Stafford $27MIL, and Brees at $25MIL. The average of that is $28.1MIL. There is no way the Steelers will pay that.

Also, if you consider games played, $30MIL for 2 years of service isn't right, since that calculation only has him playing 6 out of 16 games the first year (and probably the second!). That's more like $30MIL for less than one and half years of service.
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No, it is not avg of top players, it is 2nd year 20 percent more than 1st year, 3rd year is 44 percent more, so it would be 20.94 million round it to 21.
 
Cope said:
I think this is an excellent post, and great thought into cap money.

Hobbs means this:

If Bell holds out till week 10, the Steelers reap a savings of $8.555M that automatically rolls over to next season
3rd Tag would be about $25M next year.
The $8.555 in cap space eats up that $25M and is essentially a 1yr contract for $16.5M, which is only $2M more than this tag.

Looking at it another way, in actual dollars paid:
If Bell only plays 6 games, he makes $5.13M
If he's tagged again next year he makes about $25M
Now that is about $30M for 2 years of service.
This averages to $15M a season!

Much less than Bell wanted, and exactly what the Steelers wanted to pay him. Plus is sets the screws to his agent, the Steelers should nonexclusive tag him, so they can work a deal for draft picks. That's what a smart franchise would do, and would make the players think twice about holding out on a Franchise Tag again. Love this idea!
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One, this is exactly what I meant, but it would be around 21 million, even though more than 17 million I originally thought, I still do it for the reasons in your last couple lines.

Oh, and there was not really ever going to be a "two" so I have no idea why I started with "One." :smile2:
 
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CharlesDavenport said:
I think the franchise tag value for QBs next year (what Bell would be paid if we tagged him a third time) will be more than $25MIL. Rogers just signed for an average of $33MIL/yr. and Cousins signed for $28MIL/yr. Garropolo $27.5MIL, Stafford $27MIL, and Brees at $25MIL. The average of that is $28.1MIL. There is no way the Steelers will pay that.

Also, if you consider games played, $30MIL for 2 years of service isn't right, since that calculation only has him playing 6 out of 16 games the first year (and probably the second!). That's more like $30MIL for less than one and half years of service.
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The only way I tag him, is to move him. Work the trade, get the picks, kick his *** to the curb.

Steelers have a long history of treating players with respect. This is the first time they are dealing with a player that does not share the respect for the organization, has been dishonest to players, coaches, and front office personnel. Steeler could make an example of him for doing so. His agent is also a Bush league liar. $10M guaranteed is kicker money, and a LIE. You know how it's a lie? The Steelers have never done a big contract with that low of a signing bonus.

AB was 4year extension for 19M signing bonus and $64M contract. Bell's would have been inline. $20-22M signing bonus. Not $10M. Hell Boswell had $8M guaranteed. Dude's agent is a shady liar.
 
No FA Comp with a transition tag.
 
Hobbster said:
No, it is not avg of top players, it is 2nd year 20 percent more than 1st year, 3rd year is 44 percent more, so it would be 20.94 million round it to 21.
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The third year of the franchise tag is 44% more or the average of the top 5 salaries at the highest paid position, whichever is highest.
 
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