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I was NEVER going to start a Tomlin thread, but..

My understanding it was called on the sideline, because they were pinching both gunners and had a return on. That left 8 on 6 in the box. The Line calle dthe fake off and released their men after whimp block to go cover the kick. Berry didn't hear the off call.
 
My understanding it was called on the sideline, because they were pinching both gunners and had a return on. That left 8 on 6 in the box. The Line calle dthe fake off and released their men after whimp block to go cover the kick. Berry didn't hear the off call.

Why even dick around with a fake in that situation?

100% on Tomlin.
 
Has anyone mentioned his horrific time management yet again?

3 runs when running out the clock runs off another 40 seconds when trying to run out the clock, so we pass....?

Its like Tomlin has no idea there are 60 seconds in a minute!
 
If you look at the numbers objectively, Tomlin is in the top FOUR of active coaches in the NFL in terms of win-loss record. He's in the top TWO of coaches with more than two years' experience in the league, with other being that cheating **** Belicheat*.

Tomlin's regular season win-loss record is .654, higher than ALL prior Steelers coaches.

His win-loss record in the playoffs is .533, lower than Noll (.667) and Cowher (.571). I suppose it is this stat that galls Steelers fans the most. Tomlin really hasn't delivered for us in the playoffs and criticism on this is fair. Then again neither did the 16 head coaches in the team's first 40 years.

As far as this season goes, possibly the one season with the most howls of FIRE TOMLIN we've ever heard, he has us in playoff contention under the most adverse conditions I've seen since the '81 season (9-7) when so many of our future Hall of Fame players were injured and were underperforming. Steelers didn't reach the playoffs in 1981 and this season marked the end of the Steelers dynasty years. I guess we'll see what happens in 2019. I think Tomlin and the front office have made some good decisions to keep our playoff hopes alive this season. We could easily be where the Bengals or the Browns are with no hope of the playoffs whatsoever. I don't give all the credit to Tomlin, but I'm not at the "Fire Tomlin" stage, or anywhere near it just yet. It has been an exciting rollercoaster of a season for me. I give Tomlin props for finding a way to win.
 
Tomlin catches a lot of **** win or lose here, but to me it says a lot that when TJ intercepted the ball in the end zone, the first guy he celebrates with on the sideline is Tomlin

going from 0-3 to 8-5 says volumes about how the team feels about him. A lot of teams would have quit on the coaching staff, especially when their #1 QB goes down and then their #1 RB and WR missing multiple games, but these guys ball out each and every week

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Me thinks its impressive that Tomlin has the team competing at this level since they could be falling apart and looking at draft boards before November.
Yeah, all teams have to deal with injuries but this is like being snake bitten and yet they have been chugging along on 5 our of 8 cylinders.
I read a blurb last wk on Bleacher that an unnamed D player told a reporter that Tomlin went straight up high school coach and got the chalkboard out during the Stains game and (I Know...It never happens) made adjustments on plays to counter what the browns were doing. The player said he coached us up and got us the win. I think some of these "kids" are willing to listen and buy into the program which looks like its paying off.
 
Why even dick around with a fake in that situation?

100% on Tomlin.

I agree 100%. Even if they get the First Down I'm not real confident they score. I was plenty happy exchanging punts with them. Make them move the long field against the defense. The one thing you could not do is a turnover in your end. Now if it happens by a player on a fumble or interception, that is one thing. This is on the coaches. That is communication. So ok its cool. They were ready to play yesterday and deserved to win. Somehow you lose like that, you are ******. Same with the throw that saved them a timeout. That cannot be on the menu in that situation. I really don't care if you are running against a stacked front. Its stacked because you have to run in that situation and this isn't Ben running a sugar route via hand signal to a main player. Its just beyond dumb.
 
I agree 100%. Even if they get the First Down I'm not real confident they score. I was plenty happy exchanging punts with them. Make them move the long field against the defense. The one thing you could not do is a turnover in your end. Now if it happens by a player on a fumble or interception, that is one thing. This is on the coaches. That is communication. So ok its cool. They were ready to play yesterday and deserved to win. Somehow you lose like that, you are ******. Same with the throw that saved them a timeout. That cannot be on the menu in that situation. I really don't care if you are running against a stacked front. Its stacked because you have to run in that situation and this isn't Ben running a sugar route via hand signal to a main player. Its just beyond dumb.

For the thousandth time, they DIDN’T INTEND to run the play. They called it off because of the situation, but Berry didn’t get the word.


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If you look at the numbers objectively, Tomlin is in the top FOUR of active coaches in the NFL in terms of win-loss record. He's in the top TWO of coaches with more than two years' experience in the league, with other being that cheating **** Belicheat*.

Tomlin's regular season win-loss record is .654, higher than ALL prior Steelers coaches.

His win-loss record in the playoffs is .533, lower than Noll (.667) and Cowher (.571). I suppose it is this stat that galls Steelers fans the most. Tomlin really hasn't delivered for us in the playoffs and criticism on this is fair. Then again neither did the 16 head coaches in the team's first 40 years.

As far as this season goes, possibly the one season with the most howls of FIRE TOMLIN we've ever heard, he has us in playoff contention under the most adverse conditions I've seen since the '81 season (9-7) when so many of our future Hall of Fame players were injured and were underperforming. Steelers didn't reach the playoffs in 1981 and this season marked the end of the Steelers dynasty years. I guess we'll see what happens in 2019. I think Tomlin and the front office have made some good decisions to keep our playoff hopes alive this season. We could easily be where the Bengals or the Browns are with no hope of the playoffs whatsoever. I don't give all the credit to Tomlin, but I'm not at the "Fire Tomlin" stage, or anywhere near it just yet. It has been an exciting rollercoaster of a season for me. I give Tomlin props for finding a way to win.
I think the fire Tomlin crowd has simmered down. But I think the majority of that crowd still wants to see a playoff appearance and that isn't unreasonable.

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For the thousandth time, they DIDN’T INTEND to run the play. They called it off because of the situation, but Berry didn’t get the word.


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For the thousandth the that should have never been a possibility play to begin with on our side of the field. You really are pushing hard to exonorate Tomlin of partial blame. But it isn't going to happen. Everyone was happy with the win, but it is ok to point out dumb **** when it happens. No matter how fond you are of the HC.

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Noticed and thought Watt's exchange with Tomlin was cool. It's nice and all, but players loving their coach doesn't necessarily equate to ultimate success. Tomlin has improved this year, without a doubt, yet he still makes unquestionably stupid decisions (actions like not running 40 seconds of the clock at the end of the game yesterday, or in-actions like not making it clear beforehand to a rookie QB to take a sack last week, or calling off the fake punt before the punt team took the field this week).

Like Punx said, the national media is all over the guy's tip for Coach of the Year. Saw the slobbering myself yesterday on the ESPN and CBS pregame shows. Mikey has done better this year, but I'd still trade him for value in a heartbeat, and set this team up for the future. It's time to sell high, baby. Take advantage of the hysteria, and take Daniel Snyder and the Redskins to the cleaners.
 
For the thousandth time, they DIDN’T INTEND to run the play. They called it off because of the situation, but Berry didn’t get the word.


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If there's one guy that absolutely needs to know they weren't running the play, it's the punter, why didn't Tomlin or the special teams coach grab him before going on the field and tell him?
 
I wonder how much of our success on defense might be due to Kieth Butler and/or Jerry Olsavsky? Haven't they both been around longer than Tomlin?
 
Funny how when we lost to teams like the Patriots, Ravens, Seahawks, and 49ers (albeit by close scores), no one said “but these were the leagues elite teams.” But when we put together an impressive run against other teams (of comparable talent to ours) folks want to qualify the wins as just being against easy competition. Sounds like a double standard to me.

The Steelers lost to the Patriots by 30 points. With Ben. It wasn't a "close score," and it wasn't funny.
 
The Steelers lost to the Patriots by 30 points. With Ben. It wasn't a "close score," and it wasn't funny.
Which is a common occurrence/ pattern early in the season under this regime. Starting out of the gates with WTF performances.

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Which is a common occurrence/ pattern early in the season under this regime. Starting out of the gates with WTF performances.
Seems every year our first three games are like extended preseason.
 
I wonder how much of our success on defense might be due to Kieth Butler and/or Jerry Olsavsky? Haven't they both been around longer than Tomlin?



Proportionately the same amount of failure they were judged. TOMLIN was judged the main failure when this "D" wasn't doing so hot so it would only be fitting to give him that same amount of success as to the other two receiving minimal failure credit they should get proportionately the same success credit, respectively.




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The Steelers lost to the Patriots by 30 points. With Ben. It wasn't a "close score," and it wasn't funny.

The funny thing is everyone passed the blame to the WR's when it came to Rudolph after Ben was out, but in the NE game we had 8 drops 3 on 3rd downs that would've kept drives alive and 2 more in the end zone for TD's by Moncrief.
 
Funny how when we lost to teams like the Patriots, Ravens, Seahawks, and 49ers (albeit by close scores), no one said “but these were the leagues elite teams.” But when we put together an impressive run against other teams (of comparable talent to ours) folks want to qualify the wins as just being against easy competition. Sounds like a double standard to me.


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Probably because at that time, no one knew Seattle, Baltimore, SF were going to be elite teams.
 
Proportionately the same amount of failure they were judged. TOMLIN was judged the main failure when this "D" wasn't doing so hot so it would only be fitting to give him that same amount of success as to the other two receiving minimal failure credit they should get proportionately the same success credit, respectively.




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This defense looks more like our Woodley/Harrison defense, where both OLB's rush the majority of the time, and less like a Tampa 2. Maybe Tomlin is allowing Butler to actually run the defense?
No matter what the biggest thing that turned this defense around is Nelson. He gets very little credit, but he's taking half the field away, allowing Minkah to ball hawk, and forcing teams to throw at Haden, and forcing QB's to hold the ball a half second longer for Watt, Dupree, Heyward to get home.
 
This defense looks more like our Woodley/Harrison defense, where both OLB's rush the majority of the time, and less like a Tampa 2. Maybe Tomlin is allowing Butler to actually run the defense?
No matter what the biggest thing that turned this defense around is Nelson. He gets very little credit, but he's taking half the field away, allowing Minkah to ball hawk, and forcing teams to throw at Haden, and forcing QB's to hold the ball a half second longer for Watt, Dupree, Heyward to get home.
I always bring up Nelson but you are right he should get more credit. He has really upgraded the position.

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It’s been reported by 3 publishing sites that the call is a default and it was called off on the sideline. Everyone except Berry got the message. Tomlin is going to take the fall, like any coach would so as to keep the player from being skewered by the media. Question I have is threefold. Why didn’t Dangerfield make sure Berry got the call off. That’s the upback’s primary responsibility next to protecting the punter. Second, why no personal foul on the helmet to face on Berry? Third, why hasn’t Coach piped in clamoring for Berry’s job and a trade of our 2021 first round to Seattle for Dickson?


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Good point Ike on Dangerfield who it appears screwed up. Yeah I’m probably being too hard on Tomlin who has done a good job with this football team.

The refs are horrible as always with bad calls, missed calls.

Coach is a raving lunatic. He’s hated Berry forever even though the guy is having a really good season.


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Harbaugh is the coach of the year, they lost a ton of talent on defense, and here they are, best team in the NFL.

Why the **** were we throwing the ball on that final drive, Arizona had one timeout left, we are in FG range, and we try to throw it on 2nd down, incomplete and stop the clock for them. It's not like we were on the verge of FG range and needed yards, we were at the 15. Run the ball, force Arizona to use that timeout, then run on 3rd, and kill as much clock before the FG, you would've left Arizona under 1 min to play when they got the ball, instead they had 1:44.

100% agree with you here Tom. John Harbaugh has done an amazing job with that team with all the loss of talent, and with playing to LJ’s strengths he should get it.


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