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History of 3rd and 5th round picks in Pitt

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Cool Hand Jimmy

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So much for all Colbert's bluster about how the team won't make a trade they won't benefit from. A 3rd and a 5th? Let's see how those pick usually pan out.

2018

Rudolph - qb. We don't know, but I'm predicting he isn't going to be anything.
Marcus Allen - s. Probably won't be on the roster in 2019.

2017

Sutton - cb. Doubtful he will ever be a starter.
Dobbs - qb. Maybe can keep a back up job, maybe.

2016

Hargrave - nt. Contributes. But not a lot.
Freeney - lb. I just saw him play in the AAF, obviously out of the NFL.

2015

Coates - wr. Showed flashes for a minute, out of NFL.
James - te. OK for a 5th.

2014

Dri Archer - rb. Out of NFL, terrible, worthless player.
Richardson - cb. OFNFL.

2013

Wheaton - wr. Had a little production one season. Gone.
Hawthorne - cb. Didn't make team.

2012

Spence - lb. Got hurt, never recovered.
Rainey - rb. Garbage.

2011

Brown - cb. Who?
Carter - lb. Who?

2010

Sanders - wr. Good pick
Scott - og. Nobody.
Butler - cb. Stinks
Sylvester - lb. Never did crap.

2009

Wallace - wr. Good pick.
Burnett - cb. zip
Summers - rb. Worthless

2008

Davis - lb. Worthless.
Dixon, qb. Junk.

2007

Spaeth - te. Tall and worthless.
Stephenson - og. Nobody.

2006

Reid - wr. Junk
Jacobs - qb. Nothing

OK, I've seen enough. The odds of us getting any players who will actually contribute to winning games is nearly zero....point....zero.

Way to go Colbert. I'm so glad you acted so cocky and superior. You showed AB and Oakland. Smash up job.

This situation was handled terribly. From start to finish.

Embarrassing.

And they thought they were going to hold firm for a 1st rounder. What a joke.
 
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I wouldn't say Spaeth was worthless.

And your Hargrave opinion is silly.

Keep in mind the Steelers 3rd and 5th is toward the top this time, different from the usual towards the bottom.
 
Prior to Colbert the Steelers used to NAIL 3rd round picks

Ward, Porter, Gildon and Steed. Vrabel was decent player too.

Round 4 had its share of good ones. A. Smith, Townsend, and Holmes.
 
slashsteel said:
I wouldn't say Spaeth was worthless.
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For a 3rd round pick, Spaeth was below average. A zero on special teams, just an okay blocker as a back up TE.

Brown walked all over Tomlin, Colbert and Rooney II. We had Buffalo's 9th pick, and amid round pick.
 
We are still under the Tomlin drafts no matter what rounds we get, does not look promising. Same O same O again this year.
 
Coach said:
Brown walked all over Tomlin, Colbert and Rooney II. We had Buffalo's 9th pick, and amid round pick.
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Why are you even using the Bills as an argument, you can't force a team to trade for a guy that says he won't play for them, keep trying to sneak Tomlin and Colbert in there to blame for that one though hahahaha. You're ridiculous
 
Not a good track record there but I do disagree with your 2018 assessment. I think Allen will easily make the team this year. He flashed a lot this past offseason but got injured. And, I think Rudolph becomes our No. 2 QB this year. Will he ever start here all depends on if he actually keeps improving and when Ben retires. If Ben stays 3 years, Rudolph's rookie contract will be up. We can try to sign him then but he will be looking for the starting job and starting pay or he will go elsewhere and you really can't blame him.
 
BLITZ said:
Hargrave contributes but not a lot? ok
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Avg. 3.5 sacks a year and 36 tackles. Is that "a lot" to you? Keep in mind he is not an immovable object like Hampton, who won't flash stats but contributes greatly. Since Hargrave is not a boulder in the middle like our past NTs, he has to put up some decent tackle #s to compensate. I didn't say he was worthless. He has shown flashes. But do you think he is a top 10 D tackle? 15?
 
slashsteel said:
I wouldn't say Spaeth was worthless.

And your Hargrave opinion is silly.

Keep in mind the Steelers 3rd and 5th is toward the top this time, different from the usual towards the bottom.
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Spaeth was nearly worthless for a 3rd. For as big as he was, he was terrible at blocking and dropped more passes than he caught. He was like a giraffe out there.

And, I still say Hargrave has been just OK. But let's say I concede both picks....even then the totality of the 3rd and 5th round picks is still weak. Like, nearly non-existent in helping the team. And I am talking about with the current regime. Cowher's regime had far more hits in rounds such as these.

What happened to the bombastic "We will make no trade unless it benefits the team" crap? What happened to standing firm on a 1st rounder? This front office is really looking like a joke, more and more.
 
TDX27 said:
Not a good track record there but I do disagree with your 2018 assessment. I think Allen will easily make the team this year. He flashed a lot this past offseason but got injured. And, I think Rudolph becomes our No. 2 QB this year. Will he ever start here all depends on if he actually keeps improving and when Ben retires. If Ben stays 3 years, Rudolph's rookie contract will be up. We can try to sign him then but he will be looking for the starting job and starting pay or he will go elsewhere and you really can't blame him.
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I probably shouldn't have even included 2018 class. Too recent. But in my opinion Rudolph will be no better than just a guy. I really doubt he will be any better than a back up, and even then, not an above average one. But that's another discussion.
 
Cool Hand Jimmy said:
Spaeth was nearly worthless for a 3rd. For as big as he was, he was terrible at blocking and dropped more passes than he caught. He was like a giraffe out there.

And, I still say Hargrave has been just OK. But let's say I concede both picks....even then the totality of the 3rd and 5th round picks is still weak. Like, nearly non-existent in helping the team. And I am talking about with the current regime. Cowher's regime had far more hits in rounds such as these.

What happened to the bombastic "We will make no trade unless it benefits the team" crap? What happened to standing firm on a 1st rounder? This front office is really looking like a joke, more and more.
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A third rounder who lasts 9 years in the NFL did something right.

So again the pick wasn't useless. And I am sure the Steelers would feel the same way.
 
I'd say their 1st and 2nd round picks weren't all that good either when it came to LB's.
 
OK, let's look at Cowher era vs. current on these picks, 3rd and 5th.

1992

3rd. Steed, NT. Brilliant pick. Was a cornerstone at NT for years.
5. Haller, CB. Zip

1993

3, Hastings, WR. I liked him, underrated. Not an all pro, but solid for years. If he had Ben as QB, would have done even better.
5. Palelie, OG. Zip.

1994

3, Gildon, OLB. Was team leader in sacks for God's sake. A 3rd rounder?
3b. Bam Morris, RB. Solid player until he took "hits from the bong."
5. Bell, S. Very good player for years.

1995

3. Stai, OG. I think he hung around for a few seasons.
5. Flowers, S. Very good for a 5th.

1996

3. Witman, FB. Had great years, back when FB mattered.
5. Raybon, DE. Very good 3-4 DE. Underrated.

1997

3. Wiggan, OT. Miss.
5. Jones, RB. Zip

1998

3. Conrad, OT. Miss
3.b. Ward, WR. Hall of Famer. Is that good?
5. Simmon, DB. Miss

1999

3. J Peezey, OLB. Pro bowler, cornerstone of D for years. Is that good?
3b. Farris, OL. Close.
3c. Zereoue, RB. Good back up at least.
4. Tuman, TE. Had a few seasons on team.

2000

3. Clancy, DT. OK back up.
3b. Poteat, CB. Miss
5. Haggans, OLB. Started for a good # of seasons.
5b. Tee Martin. No good.

2001

3. None.
5. Okobi,C. Not great.

2002

3. Hope, S. One of our best safeties not named Polamalu or Lake. Could do it all. Lost in FA.
5. Haynes, RB. Decent player who didn't get many carries.

2003

3. None
5. St. Pierre, qb. Miss

2004

3. Starks, OT. Very underrated. Won 2 SBs with him at LT. One of Ben's favorite OLmen.
5. None

2005

3. Essex, OT. Not great, but did manage to stay and start for a bit so not terrible.
5. Goo Wallace, LB. Hung on team for a few years as back up.

Well, there you have it. If we had the Cowher era decision makers, our 3rd and 5h would have a hell of a better chance of producing something of value. With these guys? Not a lot of chance they will.
 
SteelerFan448 said:
Timmons, Woodley, Shazier, and Watt were all pretty good.
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And Worilds, Jones, and Durpee weren't. Also in the interest of brevity I left out the DL and DB busts.
 
Looking at these lists is making me feel old. Some of those names seem so recent to me, but they were almost 20 years ago. Damn.
 
You'd have to look at 3rd/4th/5th since the 4th round players were most likely evaluated similarly

Regardless it's probably going to be a **** show.
 
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Cool Hand Jimmy said:
OK, let's look at Cowher era vs. current on these picks, 3rd and 5th.

1992

3rd. Steed, NT. Brilliant pick. Was a cornerstone at NT for years.
5. Haller, CB. Zip

1993

3, Hastings, WR. I liked him, underrated. Not an all pro, but solid for years. If he had Ben as QB, would have done even better.
5. Palelie, OG. Zip.

1994

3, Gildon, OLB. Was team leader in sacks for God's sake. A 3rd rounder?
3b. Bam Morris, RB. Solid player until he took "hits from the bong."
5. Bell, S. Very good player for years.

1995

3. Stai, OG. I think he hung around for a few seasons.
5. Flowers, S. Very good for a 5th.

1996

3. Witman, FB. Had great years, back when FB mattered.
5. Raybon, DE. Very good 3-4 DE. Underrated.

1997

3. Wiggan, OT. Miss.
5. Jones, RB. Zip

1998

3. Conrad, OT. Miss
3.b. Ward, WR. Hall of Famer. Is that good?
5. Simmon, DB. Miss

1999

3. J Peezey, OLB. Pro bowler, cornerstone of D for years. Is that good?
3b. Farris, OL. Close.
3c. Zereoue, RB. Good back up at least.
4. Tuman, TE. Had a few seasons on team.

2000

3. Clancy, DT. OK back up.
3b. Poteat, CB. Miss
5. Haggans, OLB. Started for a good # of seasons.
5b. Tee Martin. No good.

2001

3. None.
5. Okobi,C. Not great.

2002

3. Hope, S. One of our best safeties not named Polamalu or Lake. Could do it all. Lost in FA.
5. Haynes, RB. Decent player who didn't get many carries.

2003

3. None
5. St. Pierre, qb. Miss

2004

3. Starks, OT. Very underrated. Won 2 SBs with him at LT. One of Ben's favorite OLmen.
5. None

2005

3. Essex, OT. Not great, but did manage to stay and start for a bit so not terrible.
5. Goo Wallace, LB. Hung on team for a few years as back up.

Well, there you have it. If we had the Cowher era decision makers, our 3rd and 5h would have a hell of a better chance of producing something of value. With these guys? Not a lot of chance they will.
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You mean Donahoe that Cowher ran out of town?
 
ark steel said:
You mean Donahoe that Cowher ran out of town?
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Colbert has been GM since around 1999 or 2000. Something must have happened around 2008 or so because beginning about then his drafts went to ****. Drafted good WR's and RB's but little else. Can't quite put my finger on it....
 
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Hell, the misinformation in this thread. First, Colbert has been GM since 2000, so he overlaps both Cowher and Tomlin. As for last year's draft, Okorafor was also a 3rd and Jaylen Samuels was also a 5th. James Conner was also a 3rd. Dobbs was a 4th rounder. Feeney was a 6th rounder. In 2009 Keenan Lewis was also a 3rd, a guy many on here threw a fit because he went to the Saints. William Gay was also a 5 in '07. Max Starks and Chris Hope were also third rounders. Clark Haggans was a 5.
 
Steel G said:
Hell, the misinformation in this thread. First, Colbert has been GM since 2000, so he overlaps both Cowher and Tomlin. As for last year's draft, Okorafor was also a 3rd and Jaylen Samuels was also a 5th. James Conner was also a 3rd. Dobbs was a 4th rounder. Feeney was a 6th rounder. In 2009 Keenan Lewis was also a 3rd, a guy many on here threw a fit because he went to the Saints. William Gay was also a 5 in '07. Max Starks and Chris Hope were also third rounders. Clark Haggans was a 5.
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https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/pit/draft.htm
 
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