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Heyward signed to contract extension

It is a great deal, in three years it will look cheap with the cap always on the rise. That's the advantage of such a long contract.
By the way he was our second best player on D and still improving, a leader on the field also.
 
Litos said:
It is a great deal, in three years it will look cheap with the cap always on the rise. That's the advantage of such a long contract.
By the way he was our second best player on D and still improving, a leader on the field also.
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With talk that Butler wants the DL to be more active rushing the passer his numbers could get even better.
 
SteelerFan448 said:
And this was not one of those times. Market value for a player of his caliber.
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Maybe...maybe not. There are stretches I would wonder if he got hurt. He disappears at times. As I said in an earlier post I would of like to have seen Beachum signed. Fact is DeCastro will get an extension before him. He might be the odd man out unless we go the tag route with him.
 
A couple years out and this contract looks even better. Great Job.
 
De castro is a must keep bigger than beachum first move to brown then to beachum then dd
 
F83 said:
De castro is a must keep bigger than beachum first move to brown then to beachum then dd
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I would take Beachum over DeCastro, but I would of signed Heyward last of the three if I had a choice.
 
Brown will be waiting till next season. DeCastro needs extended next. Beachum will get the Starks treatment if they can't work out a deal.
 
I wonder if the Steelers even negotiate or if they just throw these contracts down. Last year Pouncey and Gilbert. Both I think we over paid. Now Heyward. While I like Heyward I don't know if he is worth the money they gave him. You know DeCastro will get paid. Most likely over paid also. Beachum will be left out in the dark. Tagged for a year or two or left to walk.
 
stillwright said:
I wonder if the Steelers even negotiate or if they just throw these contracts down. Last year Pouncey and Gilbert. Both I think we over paid. Now Heyward. While I like Heyward I don't know if he is worth the money they gave him. You know DeCastro will get paid. Most likely over paid also. Beachum will be left out in the dark. Tagged for a year or two or left to walk.
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And who exactly would take his place?

Not so sure the Steelers this late into Big Ben's career want to let solid chess pieces walk..........................
 
slashsteel said:
And who exactly would take his place?

Not so sure the Steelers this late into Big Ben's career want to let solid chess pieces walk..........................
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I agree, but there only so much $$$$ out there. Will there be enough for everyone?
 
IMO, They got this one right. Get Heyward paid BEFORE unleashing the new defensive adjustments. Who knows, like 448 said, his numbers could grow over last year's 7.5 sacks under Butler which prices him out of our ability to pay.

The time to strike DeCastro is now too. He is still an up-and-coming talent and has a few dinged up years to keep his contract within reason. He will be a better long-term RG or LG than Beachum will be at LT. Beachum's contract should wait. He was a consensus top 10 LT in 2014 for his pass blocking BUT probably only top 30 in run blocking. His 2013 would have rated him in the lower 1/3 of the league's LTs. I think he looks better pass blocking in 2014 BECAUSE Ben has changed and started to get rid of the ball more on check-downs and stopped running around like he had. Everyone on the OL got a boost in their respective pass-blocking ratings last year, IMO. Beachum still leaves a lot to be desired when run blocking, DeCastro does not.

As far as AB goes, does anyone really believe that he is a top 5 WR? He was #2 last year statistically BUT Emmanuel Sanders was #5. Really? Manny finished just 300 yds behind Brown (w a higher avg on 41 less targets). Based on this alone, the argument can be made that his targets more fairly estimate his value to the team. AB will see a significant drop in targets this year (and hopefully years to come as we get a pass-catcher at TE in the mix) due to the emergence of Bryant and to some degree Wheaton. Last year, AB was far and away our target leader followed by Bell, Heath, Wheaton and then Bryant. This year we add Sammy Coates too. I still think AB will get over 100 targets BUT that is almost half of what he had last year. What is that likely to do to his production and value? It for sure won't be goin' up!

Managing the cap is difficult but paying a player who is rising (but not peaking) is better than re-negotiating a contract w a player who just peaked.

In my estimate, DeCastro and Heyward are on the rise, Beachum is a spot-holder UNTIL he gets better at run blocking while Gilbert and Cortez were "needy" looking signings. (could have gone either way, but so far they look like poor signings). I would start looking to extend Bell before I would sign Beachum at this point. He won't get an offer as good as a proven (more than 1 good year), Eugene Monroe, IMO. AB's contract demands will "come back to reality" after this season putting him as a "top 20" instead of a "top 5", IMO.
 
Beachum may need work in run blocking, but I believe he is a player on the rise in pass protection.
 
SteelerFan448 said:
Beachum may need work in run blocking, but I believe he is a player on the rise in pass protection.
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I think what we see is what we get from beachum. I do not think he will get any better or worse. He is a very solid player who can play anywhere which is valuable. Decastro can become one of the best guards in the game. I would sign Decastro over beachum at this point. I think beachum is more valuable to the steelers than other teams because our tackles are poor. Ultimately I think the steelers will be able to keep both.
 
SteelerFan448 said:
Beachum may need work in run blocking, but I believe he is a player on the rise in pass protection.
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I agree. That being said, he still benefitted in 2014 in his pass-pro due to Ben (not being Ben) IMO. I think we all might tend to giving Beachum a higher value because we don't have ANYONE we trust behind him at a very high value position. If we had someone who we already knew didn't suck as a LT backing him up...maybe he is not valued as high?
 
De Castro has the Steve Hutchinson/Faneca potential Beachum despite being only 6"3 and roughly 315 has held the blindside well, the past 2 years, CAM with him saying he wanted to be here and being a hometown grown , took the home town discount, its going to very hard to get DE Castro to take anything less then what carl nicks and ben grubbs got, With Beachum you can use the starks approach tag , n wait till, my course of action would be now
1, re do AB's deal
2 Approach Beachum with a 6.5-8 mill range per year deal if he takes it before the end of the month all dandy if not we tag and try again. something like 4 years 28-32 mill
3 next off season lock up De castro 7 years 65 million.
 
DeCastro doesn't need done until next season as he has that 5th year option. Unless you're getting a great deal on him, there's no real point. You can have him for around 8 million in 2016 and tag him in 2017 for somewhere around 14ish. Beachum is the more interesting case, as they could always do the wait and see thing with him and transition tag him in 2016.

Assuming a continued level of excellent play, this Heyward deal will look like a steal in 3 seasons.
 
The cap keeps rising and the Steelers have been looking better................under it as of late.

Not unrealistic to think they can extend AB, DeCastro, and Beachum.

Even when the Steelers backs were against the wall, they have kept who they have wanted for the most part.

The fairly easily replaceable are usually the ones who exit, or the ones who don't want to exhibit the team mentality, orrrr failed to live up to snuff.

I don't see the three I mentioned falling into any of these categories.

I also will point out all three get along well with Ben, as far as chemistry.............

I don't not see any of the three leaving any time soon. I just don't.
 
I'm much happier we are giving guys 26 and 27 years old contracts than when we were giving 30 year olds contracts.

Let's just hope Heyward is more Timmons than Woodley.
 
deljzc said:
I'm much happier we are giving guys 26 and 27 years old contracts than when we were giving 30 year olds contracts.

Let's just hope Heyward is more Timmons than Woodley.
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With what I saw at training camp, he seems to be more of a leader and self motivator. If I had to guess I would say more Timmons than Woodley.
 
I still don't see the Steelers changing their ways for AB. His deal will be with one year left on his contract, which is after next year, not this year. He has 2 more seasons to play before he gets a raise. They gambled on him when he signed this contract and he got more money than he was worth. Sure, he is now worth more but he will have to wait for his next contract. No way do I sign him this year. If they do decide to change their stance it will be in another year when he has 2 years left on his deal. And, unless they get some kind of discounts for Beachum and/or DeCastro, I wouldn't be surprised to see one of them leave via free agency.
 
Sounds like they over paid for Heyward. Not a lot but I suspect they were high unless they back loaded the contract. If his last two years are high then they may have a good deal. I was thinking he is worth somewhere in the seven to eight million a year range including his signing bonus. What they might have done is created Woodley the second if he gets injured early in the process, or if he decides that he is too expensive to cut and gets lazy. A difference of 2 to 3 million to one player on the roster will add up when it becomes time to field a team, it looks like they have learned nothing from the recent debacle with Worilds.
 
Heyward is a very good, to pro bowl level player in his prime. This is market value, and I like the deal. Heyward and Timmons are our best players on defense.

However getting Brown, and Beachum signed now could be difficult
 
I think we over paid him just like we over paid our RT and Center. DeCastro will be the next to be paid. You can count on the Steelers to throw a large contract to him. I'm sure he will have his pen out and ready.
 
stillwright said:
I think we over paid him just like we over paid our RT and Center. DeCastro will be the next to be paid. You can count on the Steelers to throw a large contract to him. I'm sure he will have his pen out and ready.
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I dont understand how can you compare the Gilbert contract with securing a blue chipper DE that shows leadership and hard work
 
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