Heyward signed to contract extension

[Wingman]

I dont understand how can you compare the Gilbert contract with securing a blue chipper DE that shows leadership and hard work

I do not believe that there is a comparison between Gilbert and Heyward other than to say Heyward is a much better player than Gilbert. I think the only position being debated is did we pay more than we should have for the position and do some of us think that Heyward was paid more than he was worth to the team. I suspect that the value for many of us is close to what he is actually paid but we are thinking of trying to field a complete team with as much talent as possible. Once a few players get over paid it eliminates many other good players from the team because of the salary cap. Then you will be the Detroit Lions with Barry Sanders, or the Miami Dolphins with Marino. Teams that over paid in some areas and did not then spend enough to field a complete team or were prohibited from keeping enough talent because they over paid for a few positions. I'm sure there are other examples I listed those two teams because they paid a lot for one position but were not able to win it all or consistently be in contention for the championship because they spent to much in one area.

 

[Bigappleyinzer]

I do not believe that there is a comparison between Gilbert and Heyward other than to say Heyward is a much better player than Gilbert. I think the only position being debated is did we pay more than we should have for the position and do some of us think that Heyward was paid more than he was worth to the team. I suspect that the value for many of us is close to what he is actually paid but we are thinking of trying to field a complete team with as much talent as possible. Once a few players get over paid it eliminates many other good players from the team because of the salary cap. Then you will be the Detroit Lions with Barry Sanders, or the Miami Dolphins with Marino. Teams that over paid in some areas and did not then spend enough to field a complete team or were prohibited from keeping enough talent because they over paid for a few positions. I'm sure there are other examples I listed those two teams because they paid a lot for one position but were not able to win it all or consistently be in contention for the championship because they spent to much in one area.

These are woefully poor examples, lol.

 

[stillwright]

These are woefully poor examples, lol.

The way I see it is if Heyward got $59.25 mil over 6 yrs what did he ask for? Or did they both come to the table and just happen to have the exact same numbers? I could see him asking for what he got and the Steelers negotiate it down. Did Heyward ask for 1 million a year more? 2 million? 3 million? What was the Steelers first offer?.Seems like the front office has been over valuing their players in my opinion.

 

[Wingman]

These are woefully poor examples, lol.

They were teams that had a very talented player arguably the best in the game and paid highly for him. However if you have better examples in mind I would love to read them. I have not studied other teams much so could very easily be missing some that are obvious to someone who has. Those were just the first two that came to mind, that involved I thought over paying for a very good player, and that it may have prevented adding better players to a team at other positions.

 

[deljzc]

I think this puts Heyward in the top-5 paid of 3-4 DE's

http://overthecap.com/position/3-4-defensive-end/

I guess when you look at the list, he is similar to the contracts recently signed by Corey Liuget and Cameron Jordan but ahead of Jurrell Casey. We get that extra year as well, which is probably a good thing (and will hopefully look cheap come 2019, 2020).

These 6-year deals might be nice to prevent us from getting into tricky 3rd contracts with 30-year olds.

 

[Spike]

so he'll make it to year 3 of his contract, then we'll restructure

YEAR..............BASE SALARY.........SIGNING BONUS.....ROSTER BONUS.......CAP CHARGE.

2015..............$1,000,000.000..........$2,400,000.000........$3,000,000.000.........$6,400,000.000
2016..............$3,000,000.000..........$2,400,000.000........$5,000,000.000........$10,400,000.000
2017..............$5,000,000.000..........$2,400,000.000........$3,000,000.000........$10,400,000.000
2018..............$9,000,000.000..........$2,400,000.000..........$...........................$11,400,000,000
2019 .............$8,750,000.000..........$2,400,000.000.........$- ..........................$11,150,000.000
2020 .............$9,500,000.000..........$-............................$-.............................$9,500,000.000

Totals..........$36,250,000.000..........$12,000,000.000........$11,000,000.000......$59,250,000.000

http://www.Invalid Link - Check SN Home Page/2015/07/cameron-heyward-contract-details/

 

[deljzc]

Roster Bonuses and Salary are pretty much the same things with regard to the cap. Where players like them is it forces teams to decide to keep them much earlier in the calendar year than if it was just salary (which don't start getting paid until Week 1).

So from a W2 cash perspective, Heyward is making:

$16 million, $8M, $8M, $9M, $8.75M and $9.5M

Note we could get those 3 years from 2015-2017 for those cap charges and then just dump him it he's not living up to his deal.

The dead money for releasing him ANYTIME (note there is no roster bonus in 2018) until right before the start of the 2018 season is just a $2.4 million cap hit in 2018 and a $2.4 million cap hit in 2019.

So you get three more years (ages 26-28) for cap hits of $6.4M, $10.4M, $10.4M, $2.4M and $2.4M

You can also look at every year after 2017 as an "option year" for the Steelers to continue the arrangement with Heyward's price tag at about $9 million/season.