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who will win the Heisman? I think Tua and Murray are the only choices. I thought Tua would win in a landslide, but he did not play well in the SEC champ game, and didn't play that great in the game before. I saw a lot of stat comparison which was kind of unfair because Tua has played in less quarters than Murray. Some games Tua was done at halftime and he had hardly played in any 4th quarters. I think Murray may squeak it out due to his pure numbers + rushing ability
 
Kyler wins, I think Tua is the best player in CFB but Kyler the most valuable to his team. Kyler has gained a lot of momentum in the last few weeks. Tua's injury and then Jaylen winning the SEC champ game for the Tide, doesnt help Tua with the voters
 
Tua should win. He had fewer snaps than the other two contenders and put together some incredible numbers. I'm also going to knock Murray for having the luxury of playing against Big 12 defenses every week.
 
Tua. I used to work with a guy who audited the voting for the Heisman so he knew the winner well before anyone else.
 
Tua although even as a Bam fan I think Murray is the better player and would even be better than Tua at Bama.
 
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Tua.
Even though he played bad in the SEC championship. The dude was playing near broken and giving it his all.
 
It's a joke if Tua wins. He had no pressure at all this year except for once against Georgia and he played like **** against them. They probably lose if Tua doesn't get injured. Georgia had a great gameplan against him.

I heard that Tua only played 19% (or maybe it was 19 snaps) in the 4th quarter.

This is not a team award. They already gave it to Derek Henry as a team award when nobody thought he was the best player. I hope they don't do the same and give it to Tua as a team achievement award.

Murray has the whole team on his shoulders. He has an off game and Oklahoma loses. He clearly had the best individual season.
 
One of those college football players will win it.
 
tapeANaspirin2it said:
It's a joke if Tua wins. He had no pressure at all this year except for once against Georgia and he played like **** against them. They probably lose if Tua doesn't get injured. Georgia had a great gameplan against him.

I heard that Tua only played 19% (or maybe it was 19 snaps) in the 4th quarter.

This is not a team award. They already gave it to Derek Henry as a team award when nobody thought he was the best player. I hope they don't do the same and give it to Tua as a team achievement award.

Murray has the whole team on his shoulders. He has an off game and Oklahoma loses. He clearly had the best individual season.
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More SEC hate I see. Murray had the team on his shoulders? So he doesn't have a great OL, WRs and RBs? Just him huh? Have you even seen them play? Most of the time he has all day to throw. The scheme gets him wide open WRs. Plus he is playing against some of the worst defenses in college football. But I guess none of that matters.

If you put Murray on Bama and put Tua on OU then you'd have a totally different opinion. You hate everything SEC but it severely clouds your judgement. I don't even care about the Heisman. It's been a joke for years. I mean hell they gave one to Troy Smith so it can't be that big a deal.
 
Well ****. Wasn't expecting Murray to win.
I think he goes to baseball after this though
 
Vader said:
More SEC hate I see. Murray had the team on his shoulders? So he doesn't have a great OL, WRs and RBs? Just him huh? Have you even seen them play? Most of the time he has all day to throw. The scheme gets him wide open WRs. Plus he is playing against some of the worst defenses in college football. But I guess none of that matters.

If you put Murray on Bama and put Tua on OU then you'd have a totally different opinion. You hate everything SEC but it severely clouds your judgement. I don't even care about the Heisman. It's been a joke for years. I mean hell they gave one to Troy Smith so it can't be that big a deal.
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if you don't think Bama is undefeated with Murray at QB then you are crazy.

No, Murray does not have a great OL. His defense is **** so he has the pressure of having to score a TD on most drives or they lose.

Tua gets to play games where he has to just not screw up. I know your SEC glasses make you think every SEC game is like the NFL but it hasn't been that way for a few years. Not coincidentally, right after the NCAA cracked down on oversigning which was the main reason for that SEC stretch of dominance.

It has nothing to do with SEC. I hate it when the Heisman is given as a team award and it happens pretty often. Ingram and Henry should not have won. It was a Bama team award. It would have been again this year if Tua didn't have a bad game vs Georgia. The worst example was Geno Toretta from Miami winning over Marshall Faulk.
 
Those Big 12 Defenses sure helped. Murray is too small at 5-10 195 pounds to be a good pro, I think.
 
Troglodyte said:
Tua. I used to work with a guy who audited the voting for the Heisman so he knew the winner well before anyone else.
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Apparently he was blowing smoke up yer arse.
 
Kyler was the right choice. He is the most valuable to his team. OU is nothing without him leading the offense.
 
Coach said:
Those Big 12 Defenses sure helped. Murray is too small at 5-10 195 pounds to be a good pro, I think.
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After seeing all three quarterbacks standing next to each other last night, I think it's a stretch to call Murray 5-10.
 
SteelerFan448 said:
After seeing all three quarterbacks standing next to each other last night, I think it's a stretch to call Murray 5-10.
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i never really understood the size argument. If Murray was 4" taller he may have been the #1 pick. Take your fingers and spread them to 4". No idea how that much distance determines if your a #1 pick or 3rd rounder. At 195 he is pretty solid as well. No idea if he would be a good pro or not, but i don't think it has anything to do with size.
 
tapeANaspirin2it said:
if you don't think Bama is undefeated with Murray at QB then you are crazy.

No, Murray does not have a great OL. His defense is **** so he has the pressure of having to score a TD on most drives or they lose.

Tua gets to play games where he has to just not screw up. I know your SEC glasses make you think every SEC game is like the NFL but it hasn't been that way for a few years. Not coincidentally, right after the NCAA cracked down on oversigning which was the main reason for that SEC stretch of dominance.

It has nothing to do with SEC. I hate it when the Heisman is given as a team award and it happens pretty often. Ingram and Henry should not have won. It was a Bama team award. It would have been again this year if Tua didn't have a bad game vs Georgia. The worst example was Geno Toretta from Miami winning over Marshall Faulk.
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First off I never said that Bama wouldn't be undefeated with Murray. Reading is your friend. I said if they switched teams you'd be pimping Tua because Murray would be in the SEC and you can't have that. I've watched a ton of college football. I've seen almost every OU game. Their OL gives him all day to throw and he doesn't have to play against SEC defenses. He has to play against horrible Big 12 defenses. Yes, their defense sucks and he does have to score to win but they still lost one game while Bama didn't lose a single game. Tua was so good that he didn't have to play the 4th Qtr most games. So you're going to punish him because he was on a complete team instead of a Madden football game team?

Like I said, I don't give a damn about the Heisman because it is nothing more than a popularity contest. I'm sure Murray will win but he isn't the best player in the league.
 
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