Have you ever been less satisfied with ownership and the head coach as a Steeler fan.

[ark steel]

Right foot, blue . Nice twisting there, coach.

leadership being sued by his own players. One player pissed because he wasn't "captain ".

The only difference between now and then is the technology and the 24/7 news cycle.

 

[Coach]

Right foot, blue . Nice twisting there, coach.

leadership being sued by his own players. One player pissed because he wasn't "captain ".

The only difference between now and then is the technology and the 24/7 news cycle.

No fact twisting is needed Ark. You only showed us that a top head coach could overcome drama. I think the media heard loud and clear what Chuck Noll said about Lambert, who if I'm not mistaken was the NFL's defensive MVP the season before. Noll did not care; Jack missed camp, therefore did not qualify to be the captain that year.


You see Chuck Noll had accountability and control over his player to the level Tomlin can only dream about. He had to work a problematic Bradshaw and wasn't afraid of fining him too.


When we look at the final four coaches, is there any doubt of their control over the team, and respect from their players?

 

[ZonaBurgh]

Hay Zona I hear ya man. I'm likely older than you so I started following the black n' gold at about 9 years old when Buddy Parker was coach believe it or not. Yeah, I'm ******* old and will be 67 next month..

Nope, got you beat by a few months, turned 67 in November. And I agree with everything you said, until Chaz came around, they were tough to watch. I remember Pitt stadium as well, my Dad would occasionally take me with tickets he said he acquired from Dick Hoak. They grew up in the same town, Jeannette, and I met him a few times in a pool hall there, while tagging along with my Dad. Maybe it's because I was just a kid, and didn't have the 24/7 coverage like we do today, but they were still fun to watch.

 

[Coach]

Nope, got you beat by a few months, turned 67 in November. And I agree with everything you said, until Chaz came around, they were tough to watch. I remember Pitt stadium as well, my Dad would occasionally take me with tickets he said he acquired from Dick Hoak. They grew up in the same town, Jeannette, and I met him a few times in a pool hall there, while tagging along with my Dad. Maybe it's because I was just a kid, and didn't have the 24/7 coverage like we do today, but they were still fun to watch.

Thanks for the story, ZonaBurgh. I wonder who the tribal elders are at Steeler Nation?

I hereby request a hearing to nominate anyone over 60 to get a black and gold stripe beneath their poster name with the title tribal elder. You've earned it if you watched the Steelers in the 1960s, and some of us appreciate your stories.

 

[Ike Kelly]

No fact twisting is needed Ark. You only showed us that a top head coach could overcome drama. I think the media heard loud and clear what Chuck Noll said about Lambert, who if I'm not mistaken was the NFL's defensive MVP the season before. Noll did not care; Jack missed camp, therefore did not qualify to be the captain that year.


You see Chuck Noll had accountability and control over his player to the level Tomlin can only dream about. He had to work a problematic Bradshaw and wasn't afraid of fining him too.


When we look at the final four coaches, is there any doubt of their control over the team, and respect from their players?

Coach....fact twisting isn’t even part of the conversation, nor was coaching or leadership. It was information access. Or lack thereof. As Ark stated, there was no internet, satellite radio or social media. Therefore national coverage of news was limited. Blount himself said never knew anything about Rocky and Franco testifying during the trial, because he himself wasn’t in Pittsburgh or LA. He was in Louisiana sitting out training camp. He knew nothing because it wasn’t in the national news or his local paper.

The Lambert holdout was nothing big because the players had no leverage. Chuck Noll had nothing to do with not paying the $200k Lambert wanted. Like most everyone else who sat out camp, fans were ticked off at the player until he started playing. As for the media hearing loud and clear about Lambert’s captain status, it was only in the Pittsburgh media it was addressed...it didn’t get any traction in the national media.

This thread should fall in your larger bin of useless ones. Since your narrative is like a broken record. Save your strength for when you ruin the board come combine time.




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[SteelerFan448]

No fact twisting is needed Ark. You only showed us that a top head coach could overcome drama. I think the media heard loud and clear what Chuck Noll said about Lambert, who if I'm not mistaken was the NFL's defensive MVP the season before. Noll did not care; Jack missed camp, therefore did not qualify to be the captain that year.


You see Chuck Noll had accountability and control over his player to the level Tomlin can only dream about. He had to work a problematic Bradshaw and wasn't afraid of fining him too.


When we look at the final four coaches, is there any doubt of their control over the team, and respect from their players?

The Steelers didn't miss the playoffs because of drama, they missed because they weren't good enough on the field. No one cared about the drama when they were earning a first-round bye last year. They had a few me-first players on the team over the last few years and one-by-one they left the door. If the Steelers had a better turnover ratio, a better kicking game, and a more balanced approach on offense, they would have been in the postseason. Blame Ben, Conner, Grimble, JuJu, for the fumbles and the interceptions. Blame Tomlin, Fichtner, and Ben for the offensive scheme. Blame Boswell and Tomlin for the horrible kicking game. Blame the defense for almost never coming up big in a critical moment of a game or the complete inability to force a turnover. Brown and his drama, because it is him and not the entire locker room like the much of the media would have you believe, may have contributed a little bit, but it's a blip on the radar compared to what actually happens on the field.

 

[MTC]

Being a younger fan.
Having only lived through the 90's/2000's era.

I'm more like disappointed if any.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Right foot, blue . Nice twisting there, coach.

leadership being sued by his own players. One player pissed because he wasn't "captain ".

The only difference between now and then is the technology and the 24/7 news cycle.

and the team unity (on the field) along with SUPER BOWL WINS............ which seem to be missing in today's world of exactly the same.




Salute the nation

 

[diver]

No fact twisting is needed Ark. You only showed us that a top head coach could overcome drama. I think the media heard loud and clear what Chuck Noll said about Lambert, who if I'm not mistaken was the NFL's defensive MVP the season before. Noll did not care; Jack missed camp, therefore did not qualify to be the captain that year.


You see Chuck Noll had accountability and control over his player to the level Tomlin can only dream about. He had to work a problematic Bradshaw and wasn't afraid of fining him too.


When we look at the final four coaches, is there any doubt of their control over the team, and respect from their players?

The times were just so different I don't think it is fair to compare. Jack Lambert was talking about a salary of $200,000. Now, I know it was 1977, but still, the amount of money these guys make today makes them almost untouchable. There ere no guarantees in contracts...no huge signing bonuses, no FA, so if you went too far off the rails, they'd cut your ***. Players knew that the power really rested with the teams, and that had nothing to do with Chuck Noll. There is a motivation to stay in line when if you are all the sudden out of a job because you act the *** and there ain't much in the bank.

 

[steelhurt]

Nope, got you beat by a few months, turned 67 in November. And I agree with everything you said, until Chaz came around, they were tough to watch. I remember Pitt stadium as well, my Dad would occasionally take me with tickets he said he acquired from Dick Hoak. They grew up in the same town, Jeannette, and I met him a few times in a pool hall there, while tagging along with my Dad. Maybe it's because I was just a kid, and didn't have the 24/7 coverage like we do today, but they were still fun to watch.

You old dog you! Hahahaha. Yeah I sure do remember Dick Hoak, and WR Roy Jefferson, QB Bill Nelson who stunk with us and went to Cleveland and played great, Flanker Gary Ballman, remember him? Myron Pottios the LB, TE John Hilton and remember CB Brady Keyes?
We had some good players but were always on the short end in the 60’s with the exception of early 60’s when QB Bobby Lane and receiver Buddy Dial we’re here.They weren’t bad then.
Nice to relate with guys who remember when things weren’t always so good.



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[Coach]

Coach....fact twisting isn’t even part of the conversation, nor was coaching or leadership. It was information access. Or lack thereof. As Ark stated, there was no internet, satellite radio or social media. Therefore national coverage of news was limited. Blount himself said never knew anything about Rocky and Franco testifying during the trial, because he himself wasn’t in Pittsburgh or LA. He was in Louisiana sitting out training camp. He knew nothing because it wasn’t in the national news or his local paper.

The Lambert holdout was nothing big because the players had no leverage. Chuck Noll had nothing to do with not paying the $200k Lambert wanted. Like most everyone else who sat out camp, fans were ticked off at the player until he started playing. As for the media hearing loud and clear about Lambert’s captain status, it was only in the Pittsburgh media it was addressed...it didn’t get any traction in the national media.

This thread should fall in your larger bin of useless ones. Since your narrative is like a broken record. Save your strength for when you ruin the board come combine time.


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Lambert was holding out for more money. Same as Bell. Noll handled his internal problems far better than Tomlin can dream of. My point is even with multiple distractions and personalities, Noll took his team back to super bowls. And he also started from scratch, not inheriting a stacked roster of Bill Cowher players in their prime who had won a super bowl not too long ago.


Tomlin teams are sunk by divas, bad coaching like not beating 3 teams below .500 winning, pissy time out calls ( They might relieve him of this duty ) and such. We saw it this season. Incompetence on display!

I'll stop for a while if you can tell me one currently NFL coach who has past legends, and x players, and current players taking shots at him and the team. Add some minority owners wanting him out too. Well, Ike I'm waiting....which other modern head coach has these problems? Can you add value to the board and tell us Ike?


Your excuse that this is just a modern times problem doesn't wash because the 31 other NFL head coaches do not have these type of problems, and if they did they are fired.


I'm reading a bit about the East vs. West Shrine game. It seldom has top NFL draft picks, the best value is for small school guys to stand out and get invited to the senior bowl.

 

[steelhurt]

Thanks for the story, ZonaBurgh. I wonder who the tribal elders are at Steeler Nation?

I hereby request a hearing to nominate anyone over 60 to get a black and gold stripe beneath their poster name with the title tribal elder. You've earned it if you watched the Steelers in the 1960s, and some of us appreciate your stories.

It’s not always been fun Coach I can attest to that. Zona and I know of the 60’s and I remember going almost every Sunday with dad and cousins to old Pitt Stadium in Oakland always hoping that things would be different this season. I saw every NFL team there was and it was exciting to see their star players. Loved watching Sonny Jurgenson with his beer belly but could throw a ball better than any QB. And Vikings Fran Tarkington, Cowboys Don Meredith,Browns great Jimmy Brown. Seen them all.
The fan base has gotten somewhat spoiled since 1972 when team started winning which was a Godsend to old guys like Zona and me. Chuck Noll was special and the right man at the time but Dan Rooney was the key. He was the visionary who turned this franchise from a joke to being the model for other organizations. Thank you Mr, Dan Rooney from a fan for almost 58 years.





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[SteelerInLebanon]

Lambert was holding out for more money. Same as Bell. Noll handled his internal problems far better than Tomlin can dream of. My point is even with multiple distractions and personalities, Noll took his team back to super bowls. And he also started from scratch, not inheriting a stacked roster of Bill Cowher players in their prime who had won a super bowl not too long ago.


Tomlin teams are sunk by divas, bad coaching like not beating 3 teams below .500 winning, pissy time out calls ( They might relieve him of this duty ) and such. We saw it this season. Incompetence on display!

I'll stop for a while if you can tell me one currently NFL coach who has past legends, and x players, and current players taking shots at him and the team. Add some minority owners wanting him out too. Well, Ike I'm waiting....which other modern head coach has these problems? Can you add value to the board and tell us Ike?


Your excuse that this is just a modern times problem doesn't wash because the 31 other NFL head coaches do not have these type of problems, and if they did they are fired.


I'm reading a bit about the East vs. West Shrine game. It seldom has top NFL draft picks, the best value is for small school guys to stand out and get invited to the senior bowl.

Love Noll but your assertion he handled things better than Tomlin is asinine. How can you even remotely compare what Noll had to deal with in an era where the news cycle was measured in days and weeks not minutes and hours and the availability of social media was not even something to be imagined. How can you even try to say Noll handled it better? Can you imagine the **** show it would have been today? We make out these guys to be saints and angels but given the opportunity to use social media back then the way they do today it would have been just as bad if not worse. This is not even about defending Tomlin it is about making a completely false comparison as if things were exactly equivalent.
Saying others don't have these issues is also BS I see all kind of issues out there, the difference being in the notoriety and star power involved.

 

[Vader]

Noll has no bearing on this conversation. Trying to compare the situations across eras is ridiculous. The 70s were a different time and shouldn't be brought up to prove anything in today's NFL. I could give two ***** about Noll's legal issues or anything else during 1977. It is not relevant today. They won 4 SBs with those distractions so who cares? Tomlin in TODAY'S NFL has one of the best teams in the league sitting at home during the playoffs because he is doing a ****** job. Period.

There are only a handful of teams that have a chance to win the SB any year. Teams like Buffalo, Miami, clowns, Raiders, 49ers, Bengals ETC.. had no chance to win this year... none. Tomlin has all this talent and can't make the playoffs? He can't find a way to not lose ONE more game or NOT tie the clowns when they are leading by 14 points with only about 8 minutes left in the game?

Can anybody really say this team would be worse off if they hired a guy to just not do anything? Don't challenge plays, don't call stupid TOs, don't do fake punts at your own 45 yard line when you are leading and need 5+ yards for the first down... Would the Steelers be in the playoff if Tomlin didn't do stupid **** like this? And I could name more but I'll stop for now.

 

[Tibs]

I go back a bit further than some of you guys. My low point all these years rooting for the Steelers was when we lost coach Jock Sutherland in the middle of the season. His death was devastating for the team and us fans too. The Steelers did their best, kept playing, but we missed the playoffs for many years thereafter. And just when there was a glimmer of hope, when we drafted Unitas, I was like ****, finally the tide will turn, only to see them cut him in training camp and the losing continued, until we traded for Bobby Layne. So yeah, I'd say I was more upset back then than I am now.

 

[FSF]

For everyone criticizing ARII ; remember he’s been running the team since 2002.

It’s true that Dan Rooney was Chairman of the Board; it was effectively the same arrangement that existed in 1970s when the Chief was CoB and Dan was President.

Dan / Art were there for influence, but not as involved.

In the 1980s when the Chief was truly entering the twilight of his life, it was also a the downturn of the team (Franco Harris contract, Terry Bradshaw elbow injury & not Drafting Dan Marino).

Point being, we’ve seen this before—AR II will learn how to make the hard decisions along the way the same Dan did. remember the way he put hammer down on Cowher vs. Donahoe power struggle, that came after experience of making tougher calls.


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[FSF]

The team was .500 during the 1980's. Replacing the legendary players of the 1970s was not an easy task, and made more complicated by no free agency.


Stoudt and Malone sucked. Brister was only marginally better. The problem was passing on Marino, and not having an excellent draft until 1987. One of the toughest losses for me was the Steelers vs. the Dolphins AFC title game. The Dolphins had a young Dan Marino at QB. Early in the game, we had the lead, and I thought my goodness if we win this one we go to another super bowl! Had we drafted Marino I do believe the Steelers would have gone to and perhaps won another super bowl.


The 1985 draft was just terrible.

And the 1983 daft Dan Rooney’s desire to draft Dan Marino him was trumped by Noll’s grudge with John Clayton.

There are similarities to those years with Chief/Dan/AR II; fundamentally it’s not doom and gloom but a bit of change is necessary


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[bigben]

The Rooneys wasted the best years of Big Ben's career. The same guy who went 15-1 under Cowher in his first season as a starter and won the superbowl in his second season. WAS SABOTAGED by the organizations hiring of Mike Tomlin.
Meanwhile Tom Brady has won 5 superbowls and been to 8 straight AFCCG. All while never having a true #1 RB or #1 WR. (Besides randy moss)
Big Ben had the Top RB and Top WR in the league for the past 4-5 years. HASN'T WON ****.
Big Ben could have 5 superbowls if he played for the KRAFTS under Bill Belichik.
**** the Rooneys and **** Mike Tomlin, Danny Smith, Keith Butler, and the list goes on. They destroyed what could have been.
I hope for the Rooneys sake this team implodes without AB, Ben retires, and fans jump ship. They have made it painfully obvious they put money ahead of winning, and could care less as long as they are making money.

 

[steelhurt]

I go back a bit further than some of you guys. My low point all these years rooting for the Steelers was when we lost coach Jock Sutherland in the middle of the season. His death was devastating for the team and us fans too. The Steelers did their best, kept playing, but we missed the playoffs for many years thereafter. And just when there was a glimmer of hope, when we drafted Unitas, I was like ****, finally the tide will turn, only to see them cut him in training camp and the losing continued, until we traded for Bobby Layne. So yeah, I'd say I was more upset back then than I am now.

Holy **** Tibs? I thought I was old since I started to follow team in early 60's with Buddy Parker but Jock Sutherland, wow. Great coach was like Steelers coach somewhere in the 40's correct? Great coach at Pitt!

 

[diver]

Holy **** Tibs? I thought I was old since I started to follow team in early 60's with Buddy Parker but Jock Sutherland, wow. Great coach was like Steelers coach somewhere in the 40's correct? Great coach at Pitt!

Jock Sutherland. Buddy Parker. Do you guys remember when the wheel and fire were invented?

I was at the WaWa this morning. There were 3 of us getting coffee and one guy said he was getting coffee for an old guy. He was 74. So I busted his *** and asked why is it always someone else who is the old guy? We were all laughing and it turns out the guy he was getting coffee for was an old guy. 94. Still cuts hair, too.

BTW, I'm 51, so I ain't no spring chicken, either.

 

[ark steel]

The Rooneys wasted the best years of Big Ben's career. The same guy who went 15-1 under Cowher in his first season as a starter and won the superbowl in his second season. WAS SABOTAGED by the organizations hiring of Mike Tomlin.
Meanwhile Tom Brady has won 5 superbowls and been to 8 straight AFCCG. All while never having a true #1 RB or #1 WR. (Besides randy moss)
Big Ben had the Top RB and Top WR in the league for the past 4-5 years. HASN'T WON ****.
Big Ben could have 5 superbowls if he played for the KRAFTS under Bill Belichik.
**** the Rooneys and **** Mike Tomlin, Danny Smith, Keith Butler, and the list goes on. They destroyed what could have been.
I hope for the Rooneys sake this team implodes without AB, Ben retires, and fans jump ship. They have made it painfully obvious they put money ahead of winning, and could care less as long as they are making money.

****, Kraft, Bellichek, Brady and all you *'s loving muthas. They are cheating sacks of **** (actuall caught 2 ******* times). They are less than rhoids on the history of the NFL and haven't shown they can win **** without cheating.

 

[mightyguru]

The Rooneys wasted the best years of Big Ben's career. The same guy who went 15-1 under Cowher in his first season as a starter and won the superbowl in his second season. WAS SABOTAGED by the organizations hiring of Mike Tomlin.
Meanwhile Tom Brady has won 5 superbowls and been to 8 straight AFCCG. All while never having a true #1 RB or #1 WR. (Besides randy moss)
Big Ben had the Top RB and Top WR in the league for the past 4-5 years. HASN'T WON ****.
Big Ben could have 5 superbowls if he played for the KRAFTS under Bill Belichik.
**** the Rooneys and **** Mike Tomlin, Danny Smith, Keith Butler, and the list goes on. They destroyed what could have been.
I hope for the Rooneys sake this team implodes without AB, Ben retires, and fans jump ship. They have made it painfully obvious they put money ahead of winning, and could care less as long as they are making money.

We probably have 2 more rings if those cheating pricks didn't cheat. **** them.

 

[steelhurt]

Jock Sutherland. Buddy Parker. Do you guys remember when the wheel and fire were invented?

I was at the WaWa this morning. There were 3 of us getting coffee and one guy said he was getting coffee for an old guy. He was 74. So I busted his *** and asked why is it always someone else who is the old guy? We were all laughing and it turns out the guy he was getting coffee for was an old guy. 94. Still cuts hair, too.

BTW, I'm 51, so I ain't no spring chicken, either.

****, I thought I went way back with Buddy Parker but Tibs, holy ****. Jock Sutherland! Jock was a legendary college coach at Pitt and won like six national championships but not with Pitt.


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[str8liner]

We probably have 2 more rings if those cheating pricks didn't cheat. **** them.

Yea, I used to think like that too but look who is in the AFCCG again...... And I wouldn't be a bit surprised if those mfers go down to KC in that cold weather, run the ball right down their throats, and go to the Superbowl again....Don't want them to, but wouldn't surprise me if they did.

I don't like them either but that organization, primarily the coaching, has been on a completely different level than the Steelers have the last 10+ years....

Not drinking the cheating koolaid anymore.

 

[slashsteel]

Yea, I used to think like that too but look who is in the AFCCG again...... And I wouldn't be a bit surprised if those mfers go down to KC in that cold weather, run the ball right down their throats, and go to the Superbowl again....Don't want them to, but wouldn't surprise me if they did.

I don't like them either but that organization, primarily the coaching, has been on a completely different level than the Steelers have the last 10+ years....

Not drinking the cheating koolaid anymore.

The thief says thank you for your trust and for keeping the door open.

He won't be stealing your jewelry honest.