Harvin’s Dad

[Drink IRON City]

I feel for Stephone, I call him Stephone because some here expect us to be on a personal leval with him. The problem is we aren't no atter how hard some may think they are.

I don't judge and the STEELERS have decided this is the way they will roll on this.

Some here have been through as devistateing a loss and have had very little time to process it due to finacial responsibilities or other things.

Most here understand the weakness of the DL and see what / how Tuitt use to play and put two and two together and say "HAY, where the hell is he?" Reasonable thoughts either way but the truth is, he is not participating as a teammate and fans need the team and their players to at least show up and let your presents be known.

There is no time frame on grief but there is a time frame on a football player.and the patience of the fan.




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[Omar10213245]

Maybe the most classless fuckery I've ever seen espoused on this board. Holy **** you're a piece of trash.

Don't bother responding, I've already ignored you.

**** sakes, man, take a deep breath...

 

[Steelworth]

This line is very clearly admonishing Tuitt for not being with the team, then he tops it off with "has anyone even seen this guy??"

The tone being, "this guy is making millions because the organization decided to take care of him and it makes me upset that he's accepting that branch rather than being a part of the team so I can feel like he's earned his paycheck. What is he even doing?" The ****** fan idea that these aren't people, they're an object for my entertainment. Kinda in the same vein as expecting unyielding organizational loyalty to the detriment of oneself. Just zero empathetic ability being shown here.

You can do your mental gymnastics on Buckeye's behalf and rationalize it any way you want. We have no intimate knowledge of Tuitt's family/situation and it is a fact that people handle things differently. "It's been well over 6 months"--Are you kidding? Who are any of us to decide anyone's grief timetable.

Anyone that has a problem with someone grieving after losing their little brother is a piece of ****.

I'm not doing mental gymnastics for Buckeye (hell, I don't even like the prick ), I just didn't see his post as being the most classless fuckery I'd ever seen on this board. Not even close. And no it's not up to any of us to decide anyone's grief timetable, but people can grieve and still resume their lives and responsibilities. Let me ask you a question: if you had a tragic death in the family, do you really think your employer would give you 8 months off - WITH PAY?

I see you feel strongly about this, and I empathize with Tuitt as well, but there's a point where you resume your responsibilities as an adult where your employer is paying you quite a lot of money. Wondering where he's at doesn't make someone heartless or a piece of **** IMO, it's just expressing a point of view you personally may not agree with, but is completely acceptable. There are people all over the world dealing with tragedy every single day, but they get back up on the horse and resume their lives.

 

[FatsHolmes]

I'm not doing mental gymnastics for Buckeye (hell, I don't even like the prick ), I just didn't see his post as being the most classless fuckery I'd ever seen on this board. Not even close. And no it's not up to any of us to decide anyone's grief timetable, but people can grieve and still resume their lives and responsibilities. Let me ask you a question: if you had a tragic death in the family, do you really think your employer would give you 8 months off - WITH PAY?

I see you feel strongly about this, and I empathize with Tuitt as well, but there's a point where you resume your responsibilities as an adult where your employer is paying you quite a lot of money. Wondering where he's at doesn't make someone heartless or a piece of **** IMO, it's just expressing a point of view you personally may not agree with, but is completely acceptable. There are people all over the world dealing with tragedy every single day, but they get back up on the horse and resume their lives.

If you were hurting to the point where your employer would reasonably assume you would be a danger to yourself or your teammates in the performance of your job, I would guess you would be off on disability. Disability in this instance is being payed to not play.

 

[Steelworth]

If you were hurting to the point where your employer would reasonably assume you would be a danger to yourself or your teammates in the performance of your job, I would guess you would be off on disability. Disability in this instance is being payed to not play.

I'm confused. A danger to himself or teammates? Where did you read this? And I live in one of the most liberal states in the nation (CA), and disability insurance or paid family leave only last so long. Where was it identified he is disabled? Has someone had to check him into a mental hospital we don't know about? Seriously, this is getting ridiculous.

 

[FatsHolmes]

I'm confused. A danger to himself or teammates? Where did you read this? And I live in one of the most liberal states in the nation (CA), and disability insurance or paid family leave only last so long. Where was it identified he is disabled? Has someone had to check him into a mental hospital we don't know about? Seriously, this is getting ridiculous.

I didn't read it, but I can assume that a player that is distracted to the point where he is missing assignments or not paying attention to what is going on on the field would be a danger to himself and teammates.

In this case, disability is being on IR much longer than the physical injury warrants. There is no official designation, and I would assume if there was, we wouldn't be told for privacy reasons.

Wow, I would think you would be proud to root for a team with that sort of compassion for their employees. I know that I am.

 

[SteelerSask2]

This line is very clearly admonishing Tuitt for not being with the team, then he tops it off with "has anyone even seen this guy??"

The tone being, "this guy is making millions because the organization decided to take care of him and it makes me upset that he's accepting that branch rather than being a part of the team so I can feel like he's earned his paycheck. What is he even doing?" The ****** fan idea that these aren't people, they're an object for my entertainment. Kinda in the same vein as expecting unyielding organizational loyalty to the detriment of oneself. Just zero empathetic ability being shown here.

You can do your mental gymnastics on Buckeye's behalf and rationalize it any way you want. We have no intimate knowledge of Tuitt's family/situation and it is a fact that people handle things differently. "It's been well over 6 months"--Are you kidding? Who are any of us to decide anyone's grief timetable.

Anyone that has a problem with someone grieving after losing their little brother is a piece of ****.

So if you're poor or middle class and your little brother dies suddenly you starve or go on welfare. It's his job. Like the policeman, teacher or grocery clerk. And I guarantee he got best of care support from the organization because they are good people and they have a 10s of million dollar investment in him. And all I'm saying too is that the league can talk all they want about mental health but put up. Let the Steelers pay him but recoup the salary cap. You plug a quality DE in the middle this team is completely different on defense.

 

[Steelworth]

Wow, I would think you would be proud to root for a team with that sort of compassion for their employees. I know that I am.

JFC, I'm happy that the professional football team I love shows compassion for their employees. Where did I imply I don't?

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

This line is very clearly admonishing Tuitt for not being with the team, then he tops it off with "has anyone even seen this guy??"

The tone being, "this guy is making millions because the organization decided to take care of him and it makes me upset that he's accepting that branch rather than being a part of the team so I can feel like he's earned his paycheck. What is he even doing?" The ****** fan idea that these aren't people, they're an object for my entertainment. Kinda in the same vein as expecting unyielding organizational loyalty to the detriment of oneself. Just zero empathetic ability being shown here.

You can do your mental gymnastics on Buckeye's behalf and rationalize it any way you want. We have no intimate knowledge of Tuitt's family/situation and it is a fact that people handle things differently. "It's been well over 6 months"--Are you kidding? Who are any of us to decide anyone's grief timetable.

Anyone that has a problem with someone grieving after losing their little brother is a piece of ****.

I'm sure everyone on here has lost somebody in their lives. None got a year of paid leave to deal with grief. Does that sound harsh? Life is harsh. It's also harsh when you are expected to pay bills and taxes for a loved one or else.

In Atlanta, WR Calvin Ridley has also sat out most of the season for some unknown mental health issue.

It's possible to feel sorry for Tuitt or Ridley and also point out that they are being extended a courtesy that few working folk will ever get.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

I think he just needs to hit it. Not asking for the pins inside the 10 we were expecting. Just hit it. I'd say they kept him because Boz has been all but perfect and they are not going to **** with the hold. But for now just a smooth contact strike. It can be a touch back I don't care. But a high schooler can do that.

I've seen several great college Punters struggle in the NFL. The only thing i can figure is that in college, they were just allowed to boom it and in the NFL they are asked to angle it or to try for hang time or to make sure they don't kick it too far to outkick the coverage.

It's like college is a driving range and the NFL has water hazards.

 

[SteelerSask2]

I've seen several great college Punters struggle in the NFL. The only thing i can figure is that in college, they were just allowed to boom it and in the NFL they are asked to angle it or to try for hang time or to make sure they don't kick it too far to outkick the coverage.

It's like college is a driving range and the NFL has water hazards.

At this point when he is just straight shanking one or two per game I'd say **** it. Kick as far as possible and we will either fix it or replace you in the off season.

 

[slashsteel]

JFC, I'm happy that the professional football team I love shows compassion for their employees. Where did I imply I don't?

I know everyone in this thread has compassion for Tuitt. I also understand the stance of people unfortunately not getting enough time to grieve due to work circumstances. I get 5 days off and I tell you for someone like me who has a harder time dealing with death. It isn't enough. Like people have said that is the unfair reality. So I think it is great what the organization did for him. I still wonder the extent of his injury. If that is still on the table. I think it would be nice for him to show teammate support as I am sure they have shown him plenty of support. But each person deals with this different. Some find it hard to lift their head off the pillow. I know you and Buckeye are good people. So anyone that questions you two hasn't followed the board closely. Also I will say even then some other posters might be a little rough around the edges but still are good hearted people. We all can't see a person completely by what transpires on a message board. I have to remind myself sometimes not to take such hard stances because ultimately it is only ones job to judge. I only fault the club for not finding an adequate replacement. Their off-season/early season decisions hasn't been great.

 

[Drink IRON City]

I know everyone in this thread has compassion for Tuitt. I also understand the stance of people unfortunately not getting enough time to grieve due to work circumstances. I get 5 days off and I tell you for someone like me who has a harder time dealing with death. It isn't enough. Like people have said that is the unfair reality. So I think it is great what the organization did for him. I still wonder the extent of his injury. If that is still on the table. I think it would be nice for him to show teammate support as I am sure they have shown him plenty of support. But each person deals with this different. Some find it hard to lift their head off the pillow. I know you and Buckeye are good people. So anyone that questions you two hasn't followed the board closely. Also I will say even then some other posters might be a little rough around the edges but still are good hearted people. We all can't see a person completely by what transpires on a message board. I have to remind myself sometimes not to take such hard stances because ultimately it is only ones job to judge. I only fault the club for not finding an adequate replacement. Their off-season/early season decisions hasn't been great.

Great post slash, the entierty of it.

The last sentence says a lot as well. We can see the fail in several of the decisions but today can't be altered till the off season. Coach Tolin is like the kid with his finger in the Dike but other holes are leaking and he can't reach them.





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[FatsHolmes]

It's possible to feel sorry for Tuitt or Ridley and also point out that they are being extended a courtesy that few working folk will ever get.

If you're so stressed about them getting a benefit that most working folk will never get, we can look at a large number of things - like start with salary. I don't know many jobs with a starting minimum salary of over $660,000. Especially ones where you are only working 6 months a year.

 

[FatsHolmes]

Great post slash, the entierty of it.

The last sentence says a lot as well. We can see the fail in several of the decisions but today can't be altered till the off season. Coach Tolin is like the kid with his finger in the Dike but other holes are leaking and he can't reach them.





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I'm more upset about the offensive line. They knew the train wreck they had there.

Nobody expected Alualu to go down for the season. Very few teams put themselves three deep at defensive line.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

I think the part hurting Tuitt is the lack of closure. As far as I have read they never got the person who hit his brother. That compounds the issue in my estimation.

 

[Drink IRON City]

I'm more upset about the offensive line. They knew the train wreck they had there.

Nobody expected Alualu to go down for the season. Very few teams put themselves three deep at defensive line.

They also, more likely than not, expected their star DE back by now as well. Aluala went down early enough for the team to have had an answer by now (the Adams kid may pan out).

I hear yaz on what you are saying and see the holes in front of us.





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[SteelerSask2]

Wormley is what he is. But Buggs should have worked out, Mongo should have worked out, Loudermilk is young. But we are talking about Steelers coaches here. They don't have much of a track record of developing players without draft pedigree.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

Wormley is what he is. But Buggs should have worked out, Mongo should have worked out, Loudermilk is young. But we are talking about Steelers coaches here. They don't have much of a track record of developing players without draft pedigree.

Funny thing about Wormley. Living in Ohio, I take any opportunity I get to give Browns fans ****. Remember all the "We got Jadaveon Clowney" talk in the preseason? Well, Wormley has, at least statistically, played better than Clowney this year. Wormley has 44 tackles to Clowney's 29 and 6 sacks to Clowney's 5. I think the issue with Wormley last year (besides being slightly injured) and part of this year is that he's been asked to play out of position at NT a lot. Not saying he'd be an All-Pro DE, but, I do think you'd get decent production out of him if/when he plays his more natural position.

 

[Ike Kelly]

I know everyone in this thread has compassion for Tuitt. I also understand the stance of people unfortunately not getting enough time to grieve due to work circumstances. I get 5 days off and I tell you for someone like me who has a harder time dealing with death. It isn't enough. Like people have said that is the unfair reality. So I think it is great what the organization did for him. I still wonder the extent of his injury. If that is still on the table. I think it would be nice for him to show teammate support as I am sure they have shown him plenty of support. But each person deals with this different. Some find it hard to lift their head off the pillow. I know you and Buckeye are good people. So anyone that questions you two hasn't followed the board closely. Also I will say even then some other posters might be a little rough around the edges but still are good hearted people. We all can't see a person completely by what transpires on a message board. I have to remind myself sometimes not to take such hard stances because ultimately it is only ones job to judge. I only fault the club for not finding an adequate replacement. Their off-season/early season decisions hasn't been great.

Great insight Slash and a nice summation. Tragedy impacts people differently as does recovery. As was stated before, Tuitt and his younger brother were real close as he is with his youngest brother who is a linebacker for WVa. His mom is a deputy sheriff, so it’s easy to imagine to lose you child to a crime unsolved, but being peace officer as well..I can’t imagine.

Slash hit on what is likely the major cause of his absence, his injury. Cope would have the particulars, but Tuitt was rehabbing in late August, so the expectation was there. Then Alualu got injured. It seems shortly after that, no further word on Tuitt’s status was given and no return date was mentioned. It’s speculation on my part, but it’s likely the knee issue didn’t get better and Dr. Bradley and the training staff shut his rehab down. Obviously if it was mental/emotional discord from grief that was keeping Tuitt from being activated, the team would have to place him on the Non-Football Injury list, which isn’t advantageous to the player at all. He still being on IR implies (to me anyway) it’s his knee injury primarily, but emotionally his grieving hasn’t helped with rehab.

Hindsight is great, but getting help in the off-season on the DL after restructuring Ben should have been a higher priority than it was. But they did have the Nelson issue and then DeCastro situation that complicating the situation.

 

[SteelerSask2]

Funny thing about Wormley. Living in Ohio, I take any opportunity I get to give Browns fans ****. Remember all the "We got Jadaveon Clowney" talk in the preseason? Well, Wormley has, at least statistically, played better than Clowney this year. Wormley has 44 tackles to Clowney's 29 and 6 sacks to Clowney's 5. I think the issue with Wormley last year (besides being slightly injured) and part of this year is that he's been asked to play out of position at NT a lot. Not saying he'd be an All-Pro DE, but, I do think you'd get decent production out of him if/when he plays his more natural position.

I think Wormley has played well for the most part. I think what I'm trying to say is that he is a fully formed pro and I wouldn't expect much from coaching at this point. While he is playing better than expected and the ILB's worse. The interior offensive lineman are still getting on them with relative ease.

 

[Hines57]

This line is very clearly admonishing Tuitt for not being with the team, then he tops it off with "has anyone even seen this guy??"

The tone being, "this guy is making millions because the organization decided to take care of him and it makes me upset that he's accepting that branch rather than being a part of the team so I can feel like he's earned his paycheck. What is he even doing?" The ****** fan idea that these aren't people, they're an object for my entertainment. Kinda in the same vein as expecting unyielding organizational loyalty to the detriment of oneself. Just zero empathetic ability being shown here.

You can do your mental gymnastics on Buckeye's behalf and rationalize it any way you want. We have no intimate knowledge of Tuitt's family/situation and it is a fact that people handle things differently. "It's been well over 6 months"--Are you kidding? Who are any of us to decide anyone's grief timetable.

Anyone that has a problem with someone grieving after losing their little brother is a piece of ****.

We get status updates on players for injuries every week. Not a peep with Tuitt. Yes he is a human being but he is also a public figure who earns a LOT of money. Money that we subsidize via tickets, tv rights, etc. Its only natural to want to know WHY the man isn't involved. If he is taking a leave of absence the team could have communicated that and we would respect the decision whether we agreed with it or not. Not communicating what is going on is ****** and makes us wonder out loud what is really happening.

 

[slashsteel]

We get status updates on players for injuries every week. Not a peep with Tuitt. Yes he is a human being but he is also a public figure who earns a LOT of money. Money that we subsidize via tickets, tv rights, etc. Its only natural to want to know WHY the man isn't involved. If he is taking a leave of absence the team could have communicated that and we would respect the decision whether we agreed with it or not. Not communicating what is going on is ****** and makes us wonder out loud what is really happening.

They don't have to give updates on IR players. Usually if they are coming close to coming off it then we get the update.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

People grieve differently and he should take all the time he needs, but as far as a fan of the team goes if you have zero availability it runs parallel to your usefulness which is also zero.

But as the organization has shown for years now political correctness, loyalty and taking care of their own are all priorities to winning so I would expect nothing less from a classy organization like the Steelers.

 

[Hines57]

They don't have to give updates on IR players. Usually if they are coming close to coming off it then we get the update.

True, but what is he on IR for? No one truly knows. We are speculating. I would rather not speculate.