Harrison Blames Tomlin For 2018 Season; Discredits His Super Bowl Championship

[pittbull]

I remember a quote from a coach years back (it may have even been Chuck Noll)..."When you pass the ball, there are only 3 possible outcomes, and 2 of them are bad."

Players make mistakes. It's impossible to be perfect when the world around you is moving at speeds none of us can imagine. The greatests of all time make mistake, have bad games, and down years. You have to coach with that expectation. Coaching preparations need to be perfect. They are expected to be perfect. A player has a split second to make a decision. A coach, has minutes, quarters, halves, days, weeks, months, years to prepare.

 

[stillwright]

I wonder what the people calling Ben out would have thought if we had Brett Farve throwing here? Dude threw 16 or more TD's in over half of his seasons. Getting into the 20's at times.

 

[Lunar]

How did this turn into a Ben bashing thread?

 

[MWeaver]

Yep, one game, where Grimble fumbles out of the end zone and Connor fumbles when we are about to go up two scores.
That was a fluke int anyways, the DT got shoved back right into path of the ball.

You named one game, the defense gave up 5 4th quarter leads

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Just what is a FLUKE INT. anyway? Does this mean all other interceptions are intentional??
Now that is quite the revelation there!
But to all others, I don’t blame Ben for the losses, but to say leading the league in interceptions DOESN’T have anything to do with not making playoffs, that’s laughable!
To say he was only reason, also laughable!
I put the blame square on Tomlin’s shoulder! He is the HEAD COACH, and everything that happened to this team this year, rests with HIM!! We have only been middle of the road, and with the TALENT this team has, on both sides the line, with a great, not just good, coach we would be dominating the league!!
And one more thing, just because someone expresses his feelings about what happens, why the hell does he have to have some kinda of an AGENDA? Maybe it’s an opinion, and nothing else?


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[Coryea]

Just what is a FLUKE INT. anyway? Does this mean all other interceptions are intentional??
Now that is quite the revelation there!
But to all others, I don’t blame Ben for the losses, but to say leading the league in interceptions DOESN’T have anything to do with not making playoffs, that’s laughable!
To say he was only reason, also laughable!
I put the blame square on Tomlin’s shoulder! He is the HEAD COACH, and everything that happened to this team this year, rests with HIM!! We have only been middle of the road, and with the TALENT this team has, on both sides the line, with a great, not just good, coach we would be dominating the league!!
And one more thing, just because someone expresses his feelings about what happens, why the hell does he have to have some kinda of an AGENDA? Maybe it’s an opinion, and nothing else?


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Fluke int, when a DT all of the sudden drops into coverage on the goal line and just happens to be in the passing lane. That's another reason why we need to be able to run the ball when the other team knows it, the play before that Connor got zero vs the worst run defense in football. Then we go empty set at the ******* goal line, so Denver knows we aren't running, just stupid at the goal line, that play call allowed that DT to drop, if we have a RB in the back field, that DT wouldn't drop because of the threat of the run.
Doesn't matter, AB or whoever the wr was, was grabbed and held with no flag.

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[SteelerFan448]

Ben got sacked too much. They fired Arians and the sack numbers went down. The high draft picks on the offensive line underachieved. They brought in the best OL coach in the league and they have perennially had one of the best offensive lines in the league. Steelers struggled in the red zone last year. They fired their OC and became the top RZ team in the league (or at least they were for a large portion of the season). Quit making excuses for the coaches. It's the same crap every year with the defense and they do nothing. They lose to bad teams every year and do nothing to change that. Coaching can make a difference and that difference can happen in a year.

 

[mdk2]

Ben got sacked too much. They fired Arians and the sack numbers went down. The high draft picks on the offensive line underachieved. They brought in the best OL coach in the league and they have perennially had one of the best offensive lines in the league. Steelers struggled in the red zone last year. They fired their OC and became the top RZ team in the league (or at least they were for a large portion of the season). Quit making excuses for the coaches. It's the same crap every year with the defense and they do nothing. They lose to bad teams every year and do nothing to change that. Coaching can make a difference and that difference can happen in a year.

It's basically Ben has to play perfect for 16+ games or we lose.

 

[Badcat]

Nobody outside that locker room knows if Tomlin has lost the team. Nobody. Pure speculation.

Whoever was coaching the team in 2008 is whose team it was when they won the Super Bowl. That is such a bullshit argument. It always has been. I borrowed my brother's shotgun the other day and hit 25 out of 25 shooting trap. I guess he hit 25 out of 25, using that logic.

Damn, and I could really care less if they fire the guy. I agree with the criticism of his coaching on the field and stuff. But this stupid ****...

I disagree. Gruden took over a very talented Tony Dungy team and won a SB, and then drove that ship into Davy Jones locker. There have been similar situations over the years as well.

In terms of losing the locker room; the team's inconsistency is evidence of that. We don't know what is being said or done behind those doors, but the actions that occur outside of those doors speaks volumes to just how bad it is. This team is straight up dysfunctional.

 

[ark steel]

pretty sure that more than one of the int's was critically timed, but it may be unfair to use the stat that he has more int's than other starting QB's. How many more times did he pass the ball than those other QB's?

Looks like he was 2.37% interception rate per attempt, which still puts him at 17th, but shows that the raw number isn't definitive.

Ben didn't have to play perfect games for us to win. The timing of mistakes by the players seemed to come in bunches. Maybe, untimely, is a better word than critical?

We had 2 fumbles and 2 ints (I think) in the Denver game. An untimely fumble and a couple of int's in the CLE game. two helaciously bad ref calls in the Chargers game. I don't know that there is any coach that overcomes those issues in those particular games. If those mistakes were by players you could bench for a game or two, it could be fixed, but those were by players we need in the game or that don't, usually, make that error.

Regardless of the errors by Ben, the team goes as he goes. He makes mistakes and he makes incredible plays. The good plays outweigh the bad, so you live with it. That doesn't mean that pointing them out means you think he sucks or he should be benched/traded/whatever.

 

[Vader]

I disagree. Gruden took over a very talented Tony Dungy team and won a SB, and then drove that ship into Davy Jones locker. There have been similar situations over the years as well.

In terms of losing the locker room; the team's inconsistency is evidence of that. We don't know what is being said or done behind those doors, but the actions that occur outside of those doors speaks volumes to just how bad it is. This team is straight up dysfunctional.

Switzer did the same thing in Dallas. Nobody argues that Switzer didn't win with Johnson's players.

 

[BAS]

Again, dumbass, Ben threw 0 int in half our games. The defense gave up 4th quarter leads in the other 3. Only a dumbass blames Ben this year.

So you're saying that half their losses involved a defensive breakdown in 4th quarter, and half involved Ben INTs... and you can't blame Ben at all?

Sounds like the only dumbass here is a Ben apologist.

 

[topseed]

For the mentally competent, saying he threw 0 INTs in half our losses is a retarded data point.

What's "retarded" about that data point, chief?

Antdrew was insisting that Ben leading the league in interceptions was one of the main reasons the Steelers missed the playoffs. The fact that Ben had ZERO picks in three of their losses means, in the context of game results, you cannot blame Ben's interceptions for those three losses, BECAUSE HE DIDN'T THROW ANY. Therefore, they simply don't correlate.

And here's another pertinent data point for you:

In the 10 games in which Ben threw at least 1 INT (you know, the actual contests which contributed to his league-high total), the Steelers were 6-3-1. So even if you hold Ben (and Ben only) responsible for their record when he did throw a pick, it's still twice as many wins as losses, which would have been good enough to win the division.

So what's your non-retarded point?