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Great read about why our D sucks so bad.

AggieSteel said:
Poor drafting gets DBs on RBs/TEs and LBs on WRs? Disagree



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It depends. Are the steeler LBs and DBs supposed to communicate and switch like the Pats did or do the coaches lock them in position?

If the coaches don't allow them to switch on the field then they are morons. If they are supposed to switch but they don't do it, then there is a draft problem because they are drafting idiots.

We're not talking about 1 bad game here. We are talking YEARS of this secondary having poor communication and giving up big plays while 2 guys point at each other.
 
tapeANaspirin2it said:
It depends. Are the steeler LBs and DBs supposed to communicate and switch like the Pats did or do the coaches lock them in position?

If the coaches don't allow them to switch on the field then they are morons. If they are supposed to switch but they don't do it, then there is a draft problem because they are drafting idiots.

We're not talking about 1 bad game here. We are talking YEARS of this secondary having poor communication and giving up big plays while 2 guys point at each other.
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Or go to the root of the problem. Same people are running this scheme every year. Players have come and gone. We still see the same results.
 
AggieSteel said:
Poor drafting gets DBs on RBs/TEs and LBs on WRs? Disagree
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No, but poor drafting gets you Jason Worilds, Jarvis Jones, Jarvis Dupree, Sean Davis, and Artie Burns, which doesn't help.
 
Steeltime said:
“Yeah, we gave up 33 points. Does it suck? Yes, it sucks,” Butler said, according to audio on 93.7 The Fan. “All right? We could’ve done a lot better, guys, and it was coaching and playing. We busted some dadgum assignments. We, as coaches, didn’t do a good enough job of getting these guys ready to get the right communication on the field and that’s what caused the busted assignments. And they scored on those busted assignments, you know, three times."

How many ******* times have we heard over the last 10 years about "missed assignments" and "poor communication"??

God, every week, every goddamn week. "Oh, I know the opposition scored 47, but that was just due to poor communication and missed assignments." ****, again? Who is wearing the green sticker on defense - Helen Keller??[/QUOTE]

Bwahahahaha...nice to see some levity in an ongoing cluster ****.

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I get it that the defense sucks, but you could have the ‘76 Steelers defense out there and if the offense only scores 3 points, we’re gonna lose every time. The way the league is now, teams are going to score on you... especially a team like the Patriots. The offense simply has to answer.... has to keep it a one possession game where all your defense has to do is maybe make one or two big plays.
 
RollRed said:
I get it that the defense sucks, but you could have the ‘76 Steelers defense out there and if the offense only scores 3 points, we’re gonna lose every time. The way the league is now, teams are going to score on you... especially a team like the Patriots. The offense simply has to answer.... has to keep it a one possession game where all your defense has to do is maybe make one or two big plays.
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True, for the Pats****** 33 points is close to their average anyway. Remember too, we beat them last year at our place and almost beat them two years ago at their place but for a Jesse James dropped TD resulting in a rule change such that today it would be a TD.
 
Reading through this thread - the SteelerDepot article specifically - is entirely depressing and demoralizing. We can only hope and pray things get better this Sunday and as the season goes on. There are no other options, there won't be any in-season coaching changes. Tomlin & Butler (and the rest of the defensive coaching staff) must adjust and get better.


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Well the LB on WR worked so well vs the Chargers and Allen last season, errrrr wait.
Maybe Tomlin thinks if he keeps doing it, it'll work at some point.
 
RollRed said:
I get it that the defense sucks, but you could have the ‘76 Steelers defense out there and if the offense only scores 3 points, we’re gonna lose every time. The way the league is now, teams are going to score on you... especially a team like the Patriots. The offense simply has to answer.... has to keep it a one possession game where all your defense has to do is maybe make one or two big plays.
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That's true, but why are trying the same ******* thing on defense again?
 
Coryea said:
That's true, but why are trying the same ******* thing on defense again?
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Because Tomlin's plans are never wrong, just that the execution was lacking...or the communication...or something. But never the plan.
 
Ron Burgundy said:
True, for the Pats****** 33 points is close to their average anyway. Remember too, we beat them last year at our place and almost beat them two years ago at their place but for a Jesse James dropped TD resulting in a rule change such that today it would be a TD.
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That game was at home as well. In December. I was there.
 
And by the way, I don’t give two ***** if from a bird’s eye view this is ‘Tomlin’s defense’ which has ‘his fingerprints all over it.’

As far as I’m concered Keith Butler is the Defensive Coordinator. It’s his job to implement, coordinate and adjust this defense and call plays each and every Sunday. Whatever this defense is doing - or in this case - not doing, is on Butler. The responsibility lies at his feet.

It is on Tomlin to ensure he’s got the right man for the job, who’s coaching up our players and putting then in the right position to make plays and win games. I fault Tomlin for a lack of urgency getting this right heading into the season.

Again, at this point all we can do is hope they fix these issues and fix them fast.
 
RollRed said:
I get it that the defense sucks, but you could have the ‘76 Steelers defense out there and if the offense only scores 3 points, we’re gonna lose every time. The way the league is now, teams are going to score on you... especially a team like the Patriots. The offense simply has to answer.... has to keep it a one possession game where all your defense has to do is maybe make one or two big plays.
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The D was keeping them in it for a bit, but when the O goes 3 and out the dam is due to break. That certainly doesn't excuse the terrible scheme, but the O did nothing to help
 
Tibs said:
And by the way, I don’t give two ***** if from a bird’s eye view this is ‘Tomlin’s defense’ which has ‘his fingerprints all over it.’

As far as I’m concered Keith Butler is the Defensive Coordinator. It’s his job to implement, coordinate and adjust this defense and call plays each and every Sunday. Whatever this defense is doing - or in this case - not doing, is on Butler. The responsibility lies at his feet.

It is on Tomlin to ensure he’s got the right man for the job, who’s coaching up our players and putting then in the right position to make plays and win games. I fault Tomlin for a lack of urgency getting this right heading into the season.

Again, at this point all we can do is hope they fix these issues and fix them fast.
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Yes Tibs you are right. But to take it a step further,when ****
Ike this happens year after year.....you have to put the blame on the Rooney’s. Obviously I am not the only one who agrees with this on this site. I am surprised the media does not go on about this. Do the media have no balls Anymore? The questions I hear at press conferences make me want to scream.

I haven’t always agreed,but it’s time for new blood. New enthusiasm,new energy. Yes I know it’s only one game,and they will win a few. But we all know they won’t win it all with these buffoons at the helm.
 
Tibs said:
And by the way, I don’t give two ***** if from a bird’s eye view this is ‘Tomlin’s defense’ which has ‘his fingerprints all over it.’

As far as I’m concered Keith Butler is the Defensive Coordinator. It’s his job to implement, coordinate and adjust this defense and call plays each and every Sunday. Whatever this defense is doing - or in this case - not doing, is on Butler. The responsibility lies at his feet.

It is on Tomlin to ensure he’s got the right man for the job, who’s coaching up our players and putting then in the right position to make plays and win games. I fault Tomlin for a lack of urgency getting this right heading into the season.

Again, at this point all we can do is hope they fix these issues and fix them fast.
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You can't put that at the feet of Butler when everyone knows (because Tomlin told us) that he doesn't call all the plays and that the defense has changed because of the input of Tomlin. So you want to hold everyone accountable except Tomlin? He only gets graded on who he hires? Sorry doesn't work that way. HC's that call plays on offense or defense are responsible for what they do. Tomlin has been tinkering with the defense for years. It's partly his responsibility as well.
 
How many ******* times have we heard over the last 10 years about "missed assignments" and "poor communication"??

God, every week, every goddamn week. "Oh, I know the opposition scored 47, but that was just due to poor communication and missed assignments."

Communication Breakdown..


It's always the same...


Having another breakdown....


Drives me insane


Sincerely Robert Plant and Steeler Nation

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Vincent said:
What was that amazing gawdy stat the talking heads used to go to when the Steelers were up by 10 at the half? What was it... 110 out of 115 times they win? And they all carried that message - it was the Steelers', more specifically, Cowher's formula - get up by 10 and grind them down in the second half with a brutal defense and running game. War of attrition.

Yeah, that may or may not work in this NFL, but there was another message. Everybody (read: every freekin body - coaches and players) knew what they were doing. They blocked. They got skinny and hit the hole. They 'finished' plays. They filled their lanes. They hit their gaps. They tackled. They won. And the amazing thing was that the other guys knew it was coming and we still won. Yeah, yeah, Belichick eventually (recall that we beat his stains 3 times in 94) figured it out, but it still illustrates the difference between those Steelers and the slow motion rolling train wreck we've been watching for the last 10 years. 10 years. A decade. The same thing each and every year.

So back to another point. This rolling train wreck wouldn't have been tolerated by Atry's Dad. But Arty and his administration seem to be OK with it. 10 years.

We all speculate that the coterminous contracts of our franchise quarterback and his codependent HC portend a changing of the guard at the end of 21. Why, given Arty's penchant for mediocrity, do we hope for a better product and outcomes? Will they clean house? Will they hire a better staff? Draft better players? Actually develop them? Why would Casa Arty go in a different direction after the 13 years of lazy contentment with this bunch. Do you really believe that they think something needs to be fixed?
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Not to be picky, but it was up by "more than 10".
 
RollRed said:
I get it that the defense sucks, but you could have the ‘76 Steelers defense out there and if the offense only scores 3 points, we’re gonna lose every time.
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Not true. If we had the 1976 defense, 3 points wins us five games out of nine.
 
Vader said:
Good article but it's the same thing many on here have said for years. This isn't just Butler's defense. Tomlin has his grubby hands all over it. You'd think two defensive guys could figure out that you can't put LBs on WRs. Do they not watch film? Do they see other teams doing this crap? Yes, there is a communication issue but the main problem is that the scheme obviously allows that to happen. If that is true then it's not a communication issue it's a schematic issue. There is no way they miss communicate on every single empty set.
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Tomlin is a moron and he hired Butler so what did you expect? The DB's still suck. The formations suck. And we have some new players. It's a mess right now.
 
That article was straight up depressing, but only because I believe it to be true.
 
I just had a thought. Maybe the steelers love the empty set so much and they feature switzer because in practice, switzer ends up being covered by Vince Williams and it looks as unstoppable as it does when the Pats do it.
 
bermudasteel said:
Davis was missing. Period the end.

New week let's see how the 1's play against Seattle, m'kay???

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So, your saying it would have been different had Davis been there? If memory serves me, Davis was there in San Diego where this exact defensive scheme allowed Allen to **** all over us - all freakin’ day without any adjustment.
Yes, Allen was covered by LB all game! Davis did nothing and would have done nothing this game either. It’s not about one or even a few players. It’s about the entire defensive scheme that continues to allow this to happen. If Seattle has any brains, they will follow the Pats script and will hand the Steelers there 2nd loss of the season. Our coaches for some reason can’t see it when everyone else does - that’s a 2nd very unfortunate problem for this team!
 
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