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Gotta say I like the college targeting rule

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Felt bad for the OSU kid Bosa (he looks like a hell of a prospect, but left better than the ND kid who also sounded like a first round talent). Bottom line, I like college football's handling of hitting with the crown and targeting the head much better than the NFL's bullshit fines etc. Sends a message to the players that the refs are there to protect your opponent and yourself. It is confirmed with video review and it is immediate. NFL players don't give a **** about 15 K fines. But just like in hockey when you cost your team on the spot by losing your services, people think twice. I was one of the most vocal about not changing the game when Harrison started taking fines and suspensions. However, the more I'm around the game and talk to people and learn, there are other techniques that still maintain the physical nature of the game, but leave the head out. And then you talk to people who have suffered long term effects (one guy I ref with who was all Canadian College says he is more than 2 inches shorter than when he played from disk degeneration and another guy I coach with has clear repetitive brain trauma effects.
 
He didn't even hit him in the head! Bullshit rule for crooked refs to get paid off for affecting outcomes of games. I smell mob.

College football is becoming unwatchable. 4 hr games Even more commercials than the pros now.

I never watch 'live'. Never watch a single commercial. DVR them all and FF through all the garbage.
 
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I didn't like the call either. Sigh. I guess I just don't understand this game anymore.
 
He led with the crown of his helmet. Your helmet is there for protection of your head. Not as a weapon against your opponent. It was the correct call. If the players understand the rules they will adjust to them.
 
run a play / game clock at home and compare it to the NFL game you are watching. Theirs is a tad faster than yours. This allows a few extra commercials per game. Either college or pro, they both SUCK in regards of commercials.





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Game length has nothing to do with challenges or referee mechanics on something like the college targeting rule. Its about how many commercials can you fit in. Simple as that. Come up with an alotment that is reasonable. If for example there is lots of scoring/ change of possessions in the first half eliminate the commercials in the second.
 
didn't see the play, had the game on but was watching in spurts......

I see people trying to take Ben out and would have no problem with fines being changed to one game suspension or ejection during the game.


For how much they have focused in on concussions they lack in overall clamping down on questionable hits.
 
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I hate the ejection rule for college, but actually wouldn't mind it as much for the NFL since they are paid professionals. Would need to see them experiment with it in the preseason to see the true impact.
 
Well I'm still trying to figure out how the NFL was sued by guys who were paid professionally to play and many players in college got ZERO while the Universities made Billions upon Billions and never got sued.
 
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Spike said:
He didn't even hit him in the head! Bullshit rule for crooked refs to get paid off for affecting outcomes of games. I smell mob.
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The targeting rule in college football has NOTHING to do with helmet to helmet collisions. The rule states that you cannot lower your head and use the crown of your helmet as a battering ram to slam the other player. When you watch the video replay, Bosa did exactly that: lowered his head and rammed the ND QB right in the chest with the crown of his helmet.

The rule is there to protect players, and not just the player getting hit. The compression on Bosa's neck and spine from a hit of that nature will take a toll on him, maybe even moreso than the hit on the QB who got smacked in the chest.

And you can complain about this all you like... but with the lawsuits and information on the seriousness of concussions, this isn't going away. Besides, this isn't even anything that's really NEW. When I played back in the day, we were always taught to keep our head's UP when going in for a tackle; you kept your eyes on the target and run THROUGH the ball carrier. You didn't lower your head and try to launch into a guy like a missile. If the defender exercises proper tackling technique then calls like this won't happen. Bosa, of all people, should know this.

And the college rule even gets it right by having the replay examine EVERY case where the call is made. If its determined that striking with the crown of the helmet was accidental, the player is not ejected. Only in obvious and egregious cases, such as this, is the player ejected.
 
Football has become a chore to watch and almost impossible to enjoy.

The targeting rule sounds good, but, much like what constitutes a catch in the NFL, it's not being called correctly.

Football needs to chill the **** out.
 
I think the targeting rule is way easier to administer then the catch rule on slow mo replay.
I'm also thinking that considering the upcoming draft and the Money involved Bosa is feeling a lot better about being ejected than watching the Smith kid from ND getting carted off. That was devastating for that young man. With the money involved in high first round picks futures I'm surprised these guys can play those last college games of their careers doing anything but protecting themselves.
 
mightyguru said:
Football has become a chore to watch and almost impossible to enjoy.

The targeting rule sounds good, but, much like what constitutes a catch in the NFL, it's not being called correctly.

Football needs to chill the **** out.
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Not going to happen. Liberals have taken over everything.
 
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Quick question Ballin. Do you have a kid of your own that plays?
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This discussion is about grown men, making their own decisions to play football,...not "kids."

BTW, I don't agree with spearing, but I stand by my statement about liberals.
 
I am an older guy. I remember college and the NFL as far back as the 70s. Maybe I am nuts, but I just don't remember these hits in which guys lead with the helmet. So to say the NFL or college is getting soft, or it isn't the way it used to be, I just question that. I don't remember it. Guys were taught to tackle and they did tackle in practice. You put your head up and tackled with your shoulder.
 
Steel Ballin said:
This discussion is about grown men, making their own decisions to play football,...not "kids."

BTW, I don't agree with spearing, but I stand by my statement about liberals.
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What the **** does political affiliation have to do with the topic of proper tackling technique. Assuming you are a middle aged man rightly or wrongly why does this "liberal conspiracy" infiltrate everything that dissatisfies you. While a college Junior isn't a child, he was taught to tackle as a kid, he played a certain way as a high schooler. When stiff penalties change his technique he won't use it. And Diver is 100% right. These good old days when men were men and tackled with their heads didn't exist except in your mind. The helmet technology of the time would have left you in a constant knock out or neck injury.
 
It was a good call and it's a good rule. It keeps a defender from breaking his own neck and it protects the offensive player from being speared by a defender's helmet. There is nothing wrong with it or the way it was interpreted.

Back in the good ole days players had enough sense not to do it because they didn't want to end up paralyzed. I'm sure the newer helmets help some but it's still dangerous and is not taught by coaches.
 
Well not good ones. But as much as I loved watching Troy Polamalu play, take a look at his tackling technique sometime. The new equipment allowed for this in the same way modern hockey equipment falsly makes you believe you can go flying into someone or along the boards at full speed and there won't be consequences.
 
I don't think there was better tackling back in the day in the form of techniques. Just that no cared like they pretend to do now. Concussions have been part of the game its just now the nfl and colleges are being forced to take precautions..
 
antdrewjosh said:
I don't think there was better tackling back in the day in the form of techniques. Just that no cared like they pretend to do now. Concussions have been part of the game its just now the nfl and colleges are being forced to take precautions..
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I disagree, while repetitive concussion happened I think it was more a result from banging heads along the line like Webster and those guys went full in practice WAY MORE than now. However tackling technique of just getting a guy to the ground changed in the (I'd estimate mid to late 90s) where getting him down wasn't good enough. You had to throw yourself at him (especially with your head at the ball handling hand/ arm) and stop him in his tracks immediately.
 
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