Goodell regrets league reaction to kaperdork

[Zack_of_Steel]

I wouldn't say people are suckers who choose to take a stand against an invasion into their sports. The flag is a very powerful representation that carries a lot of meaning. I am all for people choosing which path the will take as mine is well documented. Record,skip ahead and then if there is any banter delete and onto the next week. But to call someone a sucker for making a stand? I don't agree with that. And as you see by these threads there is plenty that don't like their sport invaded by agenda. Our time our dime we want to watch our sport and nothing more. I just disagree with shaming patriotic fans for whatever stance they take. They should be applauded not ridiculed IMO.

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Like the boycott or not, the boycotters speak up to give strength to others who might feel inclined to boycott. The fact is that there are a lot of voices saying that they are done with the nfl, nba, etc. I think that is the purpose of speaking up about a choice to boycott. Quietly boycotting is not as powerful.

I think most that are criticizing the action of professional sports are conservative in nature and are offended by those that, in our opinion, disrespect our flag, military and police.
Then we are told that isn't the intent, again saying we are wrong and our stance on the subject is just plain wrong. In other words, we have no right to be offended.

Why is it OK for one segment of the population to be offended by literally everything, and if anyone questions their action they are automatically labeled or canceled?

Hypocrisy runs rampant and our only option is to walk away if the game no longer provides entertainment. I don't tune in to be lectured to, the ironic part being, they will only be preaching to the choir anyway, rather than engaging in any meaningful discourse that should address all possible causes.

I'd just like to say that all three of you have espoused an opinion that could very well have been stated on the other side of the argument.

 

[mdk2]

The last I checked people have a right to protest what they view as an injustice in a free society without giving up their right to earn a living. Now because it is a work place the employer has the right to curtail that right. In the current atmosphere the employer has decided not to exercise that right and is instead promoting the stance. You as the consumer have the right to not consume. just don't talk about your boycott and then consume or talk about the product here that you are supposedly not consuming as protest.

I’m not watching the NBA.. I’m talking and being about it. Good enough for ya? If NFL pulls the same garbage, I’ll be doing the same.. but we all know the NFL will be playing cause the players want their money.


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[ZonaBurgh]

You might not even get a chance to boycott. The players may end the league for you. Just look at the NBA.

And if that happens Cope, I'm OK with that. Love the Steelers, my hometown team for well over 50 years.

If they wish to interject social stances into sports, that's their choice, but if they feel that strongly about it, do something that will make a real difference, because right now all they're doing is saying someone else do something.

What's the old saying, "put your money where your mouth is?" Pat Tillman did, these guys are just pandering.

 

[SteelerSask2]

I’m not watching the NBA.. I’m talking and being about it. Good enough for ya? If NFL pulls the same garbage, I’ll be doing the same.. but we all know the NFL will be playing cause the players want their money.


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Not totally sure what you are saying here so it is difficult to respond.

 

[slashsteel]

Slash, I really respect your football knowledge. But a man knelt for the national anthem FOUR years ago to protest police brutality. And when you juxtapose one man being shot at 7 times into a vehicle of children and another who has just murdered someone and is carrying a rifle having to force himself to be arrested, there is at least grounds to consider that to be an issue. But regardless. Stop talking about your boycott if this means so much to you and just do it. I don't really give a ****. See if you all can bring the NFL to its knees. Please.

If you didn't give a **** you yourself wouldn't comment.. But you gave your stance on it and they gave theirs and I gave mine. I walk and talk and that is perfectly fine. We can agree to disagree and I am fine with that. But their agenda is just that an agenda. It has been proven it is one and the flag represents freedom and equality for all and that has been proven. But sorry nobody will shut me up any more than they will shut you up. I have an approach and will stand for the flag and honor those who gave their life for it. Statistics show where the bigger problem is, Our time is just as valuable as your time.

People would just love for patriots to shut up and crawl in a hole never that ! Let freedom ring.

 

[Djfan]

100% Correct. Just don't TALK about the boycott and then come on the board and talk about NFL football and consume it on Sundays.. Walk the walk.

Except, some would "boycott" by watching free broadcasts. I will still talk football here, but won't make any effort to carve out time for it. If I'm snowed in on Sundays, or sick as a dog, I might watch. I truly doubt it, but I might. Others will boycott in their own way.

If I come here and talk football, it is because the Steelers have been a HUGE part of my 55 years, and it's hard to just walk away. I will do it my way. Not yours, not blm's, not anyone's. My way. Even if I still have a great affection for the Steelers, about which I will discuss when and how I want to.

Easy.

 

[SteelerSask2]

If you didn't give a **** you yourself wouldn't comment.. But you gave your stance on it and they gave theirs and I gave mine. I walk and talk and that is perfectly fine. We can agree to disagree and I am fine with that. But their agenda is just that an agenda. It has been proven it is one and the flag represents freedom and equality for all and that has been proven. But sorry nobody will shut me up any more than they will shut you up. I have an approach and will stand for the flag and honor those who gave their life for it. Statistics show where the bigger problem is, Our time is just as valuable as your time.

People would just love for patriots to shut up and crawl in a hole never that ! Let freedom ring.

I would argue that protest is the highest form of freedom and patriotism. Patriotism isn't blindly following social norms and expectations. People have very different experiences in life. i have never had a negative experience other than my wallet with a police officer. But I do accept the fact that others do not have the same experience as me. Their cultural history may not be exactly the same as mine either. Removing it away from America, I would imagine that a Black South African has quite a different view of his country's history than whites might. So his reverence for the a flag might be different than someone else's. But I digress. Centrally what I'm saying here is there is this Specter of boycott on this FOOTBALL board. It is politically based. I'm saying if you really feel that way stop waiting for "One more thing". Just go watch Netflix or whatever turns your crank.

 

[SteelerSask2]

Except, some would "boycott" by watching free broadcasts. I will still talk football here, but won't make any effort to carve out time for it. If I'm snowed in on Sundays, or sick as a dog, I might watch. I truly doubt it, but I might. Others will boycott in their own way.

If I come here and talk football, it is because the Steelers have been a HUGE part of my 55 years, and it's hard to just walk away. I will do it my way. Not yours, not blm's, not anyone's. My way. Even if I still have a great affection for the Steelers, about which I will discuss when and how I want to.

Easy.

So to be clear you are open to watching the free broadcast and talking about it but you won't directly pay for NFL broadcasts on say Sunday Ticket or buy merchandise. This is your way of protest. But you are aware that those broadcasts really aren't free and the lions share of the leagues income comes from the broadcaster's revenue. if people still watch the "free" broadcast the broadcasters keep writing the cheques and so on. I cannot tell you what you should do with your time or thoughts. But the word hypocrisy gets used on this issue. If you hate what the league is doing so much and you continue to consume, there is a level of hypocrisy there.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Here is ONE thing to Remeber

On the "game" ticket it states that the price of the ticket is for the entertainment value.



Once the entertainment value is exceeded in not being worth that value, then most likely you won't buy that ticket.

Translate that to TV / watching / interest in NFL / well you get the point.


For each individule it comes down to what they think that value is worth. Some place higher value than others because of what affects that value. As the "rog" took over it seems the value has depreciated as the cost has gone up.

For many, this political is nearing or is the final straw on to much cost for the entertainment value. ONLY each individule can determine what they will pay for that entertainment value, / money / diluted player pool / flying flag interruption / cheating / the "fix" / amongst many other things but yet each one of us must determine our limit.


I would never call anyone a sucker for not watching as opposed to I would never call anyone a sucker for watching as an arguement can be made both ways.


Myself, I am a VERY loyal 52+ year fan of the PITTSBURGH STEELERS. I use to watch D'ang neared EVERY NFL game played per season, now NOT so much. I've been only watching STEELERS games and maybe catching a very little on a game or two others per week. Last year was STEELERS only and I wasn't near as determined. This year is getting near the take it or leave it. Not much interest in things leading up to season or actual season itself at this point. I'll watch but attitude is give and take and definately NOT a MUST HAVE scenerio.


Good LUCK to what ever direction each of us take.





Salute the nation

 

[slashsteel]

I would argue that protest is the highest form of freedom and patriotism. Patriotism isn't blindly following social norms and expectations. People have very different experiences in life. i have never had a negative experience other than my wallet with a police officer. But I do accept the fact that others do not have the same experience as me. Their cultural history may not be exactly the same as mine either. Removing it away from America, I would imagine that a Black South African has quite a different view of his country's history than whites might. So his reverence for the a flag might be different than someone else's. But I digress. Centrally what I'm saying here is there is this Specter of boycott on this FOOTBALL board. It is politically based. I'm saying if you really feel that way stop waiting for "One more thing". Just go watch Netflix or whatever turns your crank.

I would say the BLM is following blind social norms. there is more blacks that kill officers,blacks and whites than vice versa.

Protests are a high form of freedom which they are doing on a day to day basis. TVs and movies are flooded with their propaganda.

No need to invade my football entertainment with their agenda between everything I mentioned and social media their agenda is well known.

As they express their views I will continue to express mine. I won't create the threads but I damn sure will stand up for my beliefs in them.

No need for me to run off to netflix, but if you dislike our stance there is always the next thread right?

I will always say kneeling for the flag is disrespectful nobody will change my stance on the subject or force me to go elsewhere.

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[SteelerSask2]

I would say the BLM is following blind social norms. there is more blacks that kill officers,blacks and whites than vice versa.

Protests are a high form of freedom which they are doing on a day to day basis. TVs and movies are flooded with their propaganda.

No need to invade my football entertainment with their agenda between everything I mentioned and social media their agenda is well known.

As they express their views I will continue to express mine. I won't create the threads but I damn sure will stand up for my beliefs in them.

No need for me to run off to netflix, but if you dislike our stance there is always the next thread right?

I will always say kneeling for the flag is disrespectful noody will change my stance on the subject or force me to go elsewhere.

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So just for clarification purposes you are not advocating boycott at this point in time. You will continue to watch and support the league in what ever minor or major financial way you see fit, but you reserve the right to criticize it for opening itself up to a political agenda you disagree with. Ok. and I'm not being facetious about that. In my mind, people have a right to protest something and others have the right to scrutinize that for inconsistencies and hypocrisy. I'm simply tired of the "One more thing and I'm pulling the plug". I don't care if you watch or not. Its your life, your business. But people who say they will no longer consume because they are taking a stand, but are here talking about the team etc...........

 

[slashsteel]

So just for clarification purposes you are not advocating boycott at this point in time. You will continue to watch and support the league in what ever minor or major financial way you see fit, but you reserve the right to criticize it for opening itself up to a political agenda you disagree with. Ok. and I'm not being facetious about that. In my mind, people have a right to protest something and others have the right to scrutinize that for inconsistencies and hypocrisy. I'm simply tired of the "One more thing and I'm pulling the plug". I don't care if you watch or not. Its your life, your business. But people who say they will no longer consume because they are taking a stand, but are here talking about the team etc...........

You don't think it is an internal fight for them? They just simply want things back to normal in regards to entertainment. They are floating back n forth until they aren't..

You don't have to agree with their stance but with the conversations I would you would at least understand the position they are in. That is like having to choose between your wife and your parents. They are stuck in a hard decision making process. I am sure what ever they decide will be best for them.

 

[SteelerSask2]

You don't think it is an internal fight for them? They just simply want things back to normal in regards to entertainment. They are floating back n forth until they aren't..

You don't have to agree with their stance but with the conversations I would you would at least understand the position they are in. That is like having to choose between your wife and your parents. They are stuck in a hard decision making process. I am sure what ever they decide will be best for them.

As it is a difficult decision for an athlete taking a stand on the issue to dissatisfy a large portion of his fan base and pay for that financially and most likely in some cases with threats against their life from crazies.
If your political agenda becomes like your home team and your eyes are always clouded by that (be it right or left leaning) I would say that is a problem.

 

[slashsteel]

As it is a difficult decision for an athlete taking a stand on the issue to dissatisfy a large portion of his fan base and pay for that financially and most likely in some cases with threats against their life from crazies.
If your political agenda becomes like your home team and your eyes are always clouded by that (be it right or left leaning) I would say that is a problem.

I would say both sides of the coin are having problems. And we will see the results coming up quickly. Which neither of us might not like..

 

[mdk2]

Not totally sure what you are saying here so it is difficult to respond.

Lol everyone of your comments you talk about people talking about boycotting a sport but still watching... I’m saying I’m talking about it and not watching. Pretty simple.


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[mdk2]

As it is a difficult decision for an athlete taking a stand on the issue to dissatisfy a large portion of his fan base and pay for that financially and most likely in some cases with threats against their life from crazies.
If your political agenda becomes like your home team and your eyes are always clouded by that (be it right or left leaning) I would say that is a problem.

I do agree with your comment about politics becoming like your team. I think that is a problem, people are going to side with something no matter. Both sides take part in that from time to time, that needs to lessen in order to meet halfway on things.

This problem starts and ends with news stations. CNN, MSNBC, FOX, you name it. People keep going to their favorite news channel and they are fed exactly what they want to hear, if everyone got along then news channels wouldn’t exist. Honestly, find news on YouTube. People that will tell facts and not take a side, there are people out there.


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[Djfan]

So to be clear you are open to watching the free broadcast and talking about it but you won't directly pay for NFL broadcasts on say Sunday Ticket or buy merchandise. This is your way of protest. But you are aware that those broadcasts really aren't free and the lions share of the leagues income comes from the broadcaster's revenue. if people still watch the "free" broadcast the broadcasters keep writing the cheques and so on. I cannot tell you what you should do with your time or thoughts. But the word hypocrisy gets used on this issue. If you hate what the league is doing so much and you continue to consume, there is a level of hypocrisy there.

If I chose your definition for actions in my life, maybe there is. I don't, so there isn't.

Going from a guy who watched every football game he could, starting two successful fan clubs, organizing many rallies in three states for Steelers fans, having been interviewed for a book on the topic of pro sports fans, been flown to AZ, given tickest, put up in a resort because of my level of involvement, sitting in my kitchen with an HOF Steelers player from the 70s, to bring him to rallies in the area, having past Steelers greats phone numbers i my phone, who answer knowing who I am when I call, having had a 18 x 34 foot mancave in all Steelers collectibles, dozens of jersies, and on and on and on. Now, I hardly watch. There was a prioritizing shift in my life, and it's due to the way the NFL handled things from spygate to deflate gate, to the Jesse James non-td (Yes, I was there live for this), to the pc political nonsense . . . .

They made choices, and I respond accordingly. I am not alone in this. Many of us feel that what we loved is no longer what is offered, and we are putting our money and time elsewhere. Some more, some less, but change, nonetheless. It all is a strong message to the nfl.

Is this hypocritical in your eyes? Don't care. I don't define my choices by your definitions. Does it send a message to the nfl that they alienated a VERY rabid, involved fan? Yes, if they care to listen. Do they? I don't care. The current nfl product is garbage in my mind, so I'm out to one degree or another.

Easy.

 

[SteelerSask2]

Lol everyone of your comments you talk about people talking about boycotting a sport but still watching... I’m saying I’m talking about it and not watching. Pretty simple.

So in essence you are walking the walk. You believe strongly in this issue and you are prepared to make a stand. i'm sure my opinion matter little to you, but I would say that is admirable.

I do agree with your comment about politics becoming like your team. I think that is a problem, people are going to side with something no matter. Both sides take part in that from time to time, that needs to lessen in order to meet halfway on things.

This problem starts and ends with news stations. CNN, MSNBC, FOX, you name it. People keep going to their favorite news channel and they are fed exactly what they want to hear, if everyone got along then news channels wouldn’t exist. Honestly, find news on YouTube. People that will tell facts and not take a side, there are people out there.

I do not reject the existence of racism. I've met many people who were indeed racist. I'm sure some people would view some of my own attitudes as racist. But I believe what is really happening is not racism, but classism. The working class and middle class are being pitted against the poor by wealthy elites on both sides of the spectrum. The manner which they do this is with modern journalism, which is really just click bait opinion. Like I said, if I know what they will say before they say it. not interested.

 

[slashsteel]

So in essence you are walking the walk. You believe strongly in this issue and you are prepared to make a stand. i'm sure my opinion matter little to you, but I would say that is admirable.


I do not reject the existence of racism. I've met many people who were indeed racist. I'm sure some people would view some of my own attitudes as racist. But I believe what is really happening is not racism, but classism. The working class and middle class are being pitted against the poor by wealthy elites on both sides of the spectrum. The manner which they do this is with modern journalism, which is really just click bait opinion. Like I said, if I know what they will say before they say it. not interested.

Of course as I say all the time it is an agenda. The media those behind the media, rich deep pockets and some people who are happy watching the world burn. Politicians ...more bad than good. Long term Senate and Congress members that don't want change for the middle to poor. Then you have those that want communism pushing on the door. Diversity is a tool they want to use and are using very successfully. A system of evil that won't step around you they will step on you with cleats on to get to the other side. As long as people are buying what they are selling they know to keep peddling.

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[tapeANaspirin2it]

here's a good take

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[SteelerFan448]

I thought about making a separate thread, but it fits well here. With all of the protests/boycotts going on in sports, Tomlin had a strong statement today. I think he has handled this offseason well and has managed to keep the team focused on the football aspect while supporting his players.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...ing-we-desire-impact-greater-than-statements/

Mike Tomlin on Steelers practicing: We desire impact greater than statements
Posted by Charean Williams on August 27, 2020, 6:47 PM EDT


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The NFL has only four minority coaches. Two of those — Anthony Lynn of the Chargers and Ron Rivera of Washington — canceled practice Thursday in light of the police shooting of Jacob Blake and the outcry that has followed. The Dolphins, who have Brian Flores as their head coach, already had a scheduled day off.

The fourth, Mike Tomlin, oversaw the Steelers’ practice Thursday.

“We didn’t give any real consideration to not practicing today,” Tomlin said, via Mark Kaboly of TheAthletic.com.

Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger said the team did discuss the events of this week, which have included postponed games in several sports.

“It’s not like we voted or anything,” Roethlisberger said before practice at Heinz Field, via Gerry Dulac of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. “The biggest thing for me to do, specifically, is listen to my African-American teammates and friends, just to get a better understanding to educate myself.”

Tomlin reiterated the Steelers’ desire to support social justice and players’ rights to speak out, while seeking real, long-term change.

“We desire to have an impact, more so than statements,” Tomlin said. “We want to be proactive in our behavior and thoughts. I continue to appreciate the heart and spirit of wanting to participate and express themselves. That is their right. They will continue to be supported by us as long as it’s done thoughtfully and with class. The last line is particularly important and something the players face all of the time on social media and this board among other places.

“But we also understand we are targets with our opinions . . . and they can be weaponized. We want to move forward thoughtfully. We are excited to be a part of solutions if we can be.”

 

[Steelr4evr]

here's a good take

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That was hilarious. The WN..Hahahaha BA..

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Like most of you,I can’t stand the Roger either. But seriously,what’s he supposed to do? He’s stuck in the damned if you do damned if you don’t situation. Of course any interview he has he will comment like this. What else can he say? He tried the ignoring bit. What’s your guys solution,suspension for kneeling? Lol ,like that would work. I guess your only solution is boycotting the games,not spending money on merchandise,not watching on tv. Once again,I say lol......I bet most of you will watch. As I will. It’s media driven. Good luck going against that.

What would you do as the Commissioner? Poor Roger. I think he just might have enough coin to retire with.

You know as a side note,I don’t know if any of you are still watching the NHL with your beloved Penguins out. A lot said on here they wouldn’t watch regardless if there was any kneeling. Well there was. And basically after what,the first game or two totally ignored,forgotten. It’s too bad a lot of you will never watch the NHL again after that one game of kneeling. You are missing some ******* great hockey.

Roger's correct response would be to say that freedom of speech does not extend to the workplace and any player who does not stand for the national anthem will not play that day nor receive a paycheck for that game. Some players would be pissed but they would play.

 

[stillwright]

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/baltimore-ravens-racism-nations-foundation-countrys-history

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[stillwright]

Seems the Ravens have spoken.

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