Full Review of the rules

[SteelerSask2]

They need to go up and down that rule book. On Seattle's first touchdown it was first and 10. They took a huge sack like 17 yards or something. The lineman came back and took a cheap shot at the linebacker. They did not tack on the fifteen to the 17 yard loss. WHY? If a guy gained 10 yards and got late hit they tack it on. As it stands right now if your qb gets sacked on third down in many situations you might as well cheap shot the guy. There are just too many disconnects with the rules. You got one guy giving up a first down for crossing his arm on third and forever and you have other guys not being penalized for personal foul.

 

[Steelr4evr]

The NFL is steaming pile of over regulated bullshit. It's terrible.

 

[SteelVictory]

Almost every pass play is an illegal pick/rub route now especially from the 4-5 most successful teams. Hell there are WR/TE initiating blocks 15-20 downfield just before the ball is thrown.

One problem I have with Haley offense, it is ten years old...too many legit by the rules plays and not enough taking advantage of the leniency the refs are giving to offenses in today's flag football league.

 

[SteelerFan448]

Rule book is way too complicated. Rules need to be simplified, especially what constitutes a reception.

I believe that was a dead ball foul and should have been tacked on to the play. Speaking of personal fouls, I hate that a five-yard penalty offsets a 15-yard penalty. Somehow those two are not even.

 

[SteelerSask2]

Exactly. One is a live ball one is dead. And then in this situation it is a dead ball foul so why can't it be tacked on.

 

[SteelerAl]

I was going to start a thread with the same question --- glad someone else noticed this and is bothered by it. It makes zero sense. What this allows offensive players to do is to take a free cheap shot at the defense if the offense had a bad play like allowing a sack! So much for safety first in Goodell's NFL.

Who can we reach out to in order to get an official explanation as to why this is the rule? I don't think live ball vs. dead ball has anything to do with it. Either way, a personal foul gets tacked on to a successful play for the offense.

Seattle Seahawks at 10:53 - 3rd quarter
1-10-SEA 22 (10:53) R.Wilson pass short right to W.Tukuafu to SEA 30 for 8 yards (M.Burnett).
2-2-SEA 30 (10:18) (Shotgun) M.Lynch left tackle to SEA 41 for 11 yards (S.Richardson; L.Guion). R4
1-10-SEA 41 (9:34) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short middle to D.Baldwin to SEA 49 for 8 yards (C.Matthews).
2-2-SEA 49 (9:02) M.Lynch right tackle to GB 39 for 12 yards (L.Guion). R5
1-10-GB 39 (8:39) PENALTY on SEA-A.Bailey, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at GB 39 - No Play.
1-15-GB 44 (8:02) R.Wilson sacked at SEA 41 for -15 yards (C.Matthews).
Penalty on SEA-J.Sweezy, Unnecessary Roughness, declined.
2-30-SEA 41 (7:34) (Shotgun) M.Lynch left tackle to GB 48 for 11 yards (M.Burnett).
3-19-GB 48 (6:51) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass deep right to D.Baldwin to GB 19 for 29 yards (C.Matthews). P6
Penalty on GB-C.Matthews, Illegal Use of Hands, declined.
1-10-GB 19 (6:13) (Shotgun) M.Lynch left guard to GB 18 for 1 yard (N.Perry).
2-9-GB 18 (5:39) M.Lynch left tackle to GB 19 for -1 yards (N.Perry; S.Barrington).
3-10-GB 19 (4:56) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass incomplete short left to M.Lynch (S.Barrington).
4-10-GB 19 (4:50) (Field Goal formation) J.Ryan pass deep left to G.Gilliam for 19 yards, TOUCHDOWN. P7
S.Hauschka extra point is GOOD, Center-C.Gresham, Holder-J.Ryan.

 

[SteelerAl]

Here's the rundown:

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/158639/inside-slant-jerrell-freemans-hit-on-tom-brady

Play: Seahawks offensive lineman J.R. Sweezy penalized for unnecessary roughness in live action
Referee: Tony Corrente
Analysis: With 8:02 remaining in the third quarter, Packers linebacker Clay Matthews sacked Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson for a 15-yard loss. Matthews landed on top of Wilson during the play, at which point Sweezy dove into Matthews' back to peel him off the pile.

Corrente's crew correctly penalized Sweezy, but the Packers declined to enforce. Why? Because Corrente did not rule it a "dead ball foul," which would have tacked the 15-yard penalty on top of the 15-yard sack and led to a second-and-45 situation. Instead, he apparently believed Sweezy hit Matthews before Wilson was down.

Viewed on replay, it's clear Wilson's knee had touched the ground before Sweezy hit Matthews. Rule 7, Section 2, Article 1 directs officials to call the ball dead and the down complete "when a runner is contacted by an opponent and touches the ground with any body part other than his hands or feet. The ball is dead the instant the runner touches the ground."

The Packers should not have been in position to choose between declining the penalty or giving the Seahawks another first-and-15. It's fair to note, of course, that the Packers could have made the call moot had they stopped the Seahawks on an ensuing third-and-19 two plays later.

 

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[SteelerSask2]

Here's the rundown:

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/158639/inside-slant-jerrell-freemans-hit-on-tom-brady

Play: Seahawks offensive lineman J.R. Sweezy penalized for unnecessary roughness in live action
Referee: Tony Corrente
Analysis: With 8:02 remaining in the third quarter, Packers linebacker Clay Matthews sacked Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson for a 15-yard loss. Matthews landed on top of Wilson during the play, at which point Sweezy dove into Matthews' back to peel him off the pile.

Corrente's crew correctly penalized Sweezy, but the Packers declined to enforce. Why? Because Corrente did not rule it a "dead ball foul," which would have tacked the 15-yard penalty on top of the 15-yard sack and led to a second-and-45 situation. Instead, he apparently believed Sweezy hit Matthews before Wilson was down.

Viewed on replay, it's clear Wilson's knee had touched the ground before Sweezy hit Matthews. Rule 7, Section 2, Article 1 directs officials to call the ball dead and the down complete "when a runner is contacted by an opponent and touches the ground with any body part other than his hands or feet. The ball is dead the instant the runner touches the ground."

The Packers should not have been in position to choose between declining the penalty or giving the Seahawks another first-and-15. It's fair to note, of course, that the Packers could have made the call moot had they stopped the Seahawks on an ensuing third-and-19 two plays later.

Thanks for the explanation Al. i know you are only the messenger, but the explanation is incorrect. As I myself have reffed literally hundreds and hundreds of football games, I know the term dead ball doesn't actually mean post whistle or post play. it means to those plays in which The down will roll and the penalty tacked on as opposed to those penalties in which the down must be repeated before the penalty can be applied. If a wide receiver catches a pass and takes a helmet to helmet contact, they don't give the choice of take the gain or the penalty. It is simply tacked on. Same as roughing the passer on a completed pass. If that is the NFL's actual interpretation of that call, I think they are sadly mistaken. Live Ball Dead Ball fouls have zero to do with in play or out of play.

 

[JupiterBnG]

They need to do it, but not because of the Pats. They need to do it because the ******* rules are a travesty any more. But more importantly, they need to have full-time officiating crews who KNOW the rules, and call them correctly and fairly.

 

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