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For you youngsters and others who believe ANY QB from this era can be GOAT

Elfiero

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I have always maintained that Montana is the GOAT. The old school QB's had to pass under the threat of being decapitated, add to that the fact that certain routes were not available because your WR stood a chance of being killed, and to pile on: the rules changed to benefit offenses. Listen to Ray Lewis, Jack Tatum and others speak on this toward the end of this video

No matter what the NFL's marketing or it's "jockocracy" of ex players tell you, NO post 1980's QB can even be considered for GOAT.

Watch the video kids, that first part is from a time when you had to be a man to play the game.

 
No matter what the NFL's marketing or it's "jockocracy" of ex players tell you, NO post 1980's QB can even be considered for GOAT.

My pick for GOAT is Johnny Unitas.
 
Wrong
 
my teenager likes to watch the DVDs of the 70's wins and just can not believe the way quaterbacks were abused back then....

They mauled. So did the wideouts. You had to have balls of steel going for passes over the middle. Today it's an open playground and if you even breath on brady***** You get fined and a flag.
 
The NFL, in changing the rules to favor the pass have made the game more dangerous. Years ago only TEs and big WRs went over the middle because a little guy would get knocked out.

Houston tried the run-n-shoot for a few years and it ultimately failed because their WRs got too beat up.

Guys like Edelman would not have made it in the NFL prior to the rule changes. First, he never would have gotten open if he wasn;t allowed a free release, and second, he wouldn't last a season getting hit by LBs on those short crossing routes.

There are so many concussions because all of these quick passes set up higher speed collisions. Football used to be more of a clos combat sport. Sure there were big hits but not as many at such high speeds.

Today the game is all about open space. Everything is gameplanned around getting a fast player in space. Well, if there's space, that means a tackler must come from distance which means a defender going full speed.

When there is tight coverage, the tackle comes from a few yards away. With the spread offenses creating all these spaces, you have constant set ups for long range high speed collisions. Collisions involving small WRs

Now factor in the role of hurry up offenses. You have teams running far more plays per game which means more hits.

Playing QB today is simply not as big of a challenge as years ago. Just look at the completion percentages. It wasn't that long ago that 60% meant you were an All-Pro. Now 60% is expected.


Let's look at how much easier it has become to Pass by lookin at how many QBs completed various percentages

1990 - 0 over 65%, only 3 at 60% or higher
2000 - 1 over 65%, 13 at 60% or higher
2010 - 6 over 65%, 20 at 60% or higher
2017 - 1 over 70%(Brees), 6 over 65%, 25 at 60% or higher

Look at how easy it is today. Drew Brees completed 72% . But he's a hall of famer you say? OK, Then how about Case Keenum 67.6%, Alex Smith 67.5% and Josh McCown
 
My pick for GOAT is Johnny Unitas.

Add Meredith and Tittle to the list. But what I consider GOAT is toughness at the position. So those three come to mind.

As far as pure passers?

Manning, Marino, and a underrated Drew Brees.

Starr and Elway had their moments too.
 


What’s ironic is that long before everyone was freaking out about the violence in football, they were freaking out about kids watching Daffy Duck’s face getting blown off and Yosemite Sam and Elmer Fudd having guns.
 

How can my conclusion be wrong if you just examine it logically?

QB's from those eras would have far more chances to pad their stats today, their WR's and themselves wouldn't spend so much time hurt, and a far higher chance of getting completions would be possible without either one getting assaulted on every play.

If you could put someone like Brady back in that era he would not be a top 20 QB of all time, meanwhile for all we know If they had the same rules back then Sammy Baugh or maybe Joe Namath would be in discussion for GOAT.
 
Add Meredith and Tittle to the list. But what I consider GOAT is toughness at the position. So those three come to mind.

As far as pure passers?

Manning, Marino, and a underrated Drew Brees.

Starr and Elway had their moments too.

Two guys as far as passers that everyone forgets also are Len Dawson and Joe Kelly.

Dawson because he was before most of our times, and Kelly because he is draped with the stench of losing, but he was a great one.
 
Two guys as far as passers that everyone forgets also are Len Dawson and Joe Kelly.

Dawson because he was before most of our times, and Kelly because he is draped with the stench of losing, but he was a great one.



Joe or JIM??? Regular season or Super Bowls???





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elfie I am not 100% certain, but I think this is the 1st time ever I agree with you on anything. Joe Montana is the best quarterback I have ever seen.
 
Brady wouldn't have gotten off the goddamn bench in the 70s
 
Joe Montana was obviously great... but he was the first QB I remember that threw short passes all the time. That early west coast offense was all about throwing 30 short passes a game, and getting rid of the ball quickly. Designed to beat attacking 3-4 defenses, which were the norm back then, and it worked. You can say it was Joe, you can say it was Jerry Rice, and you can't argue their greatness, but you also can't argue their benefit from the design. They had also started protecting QBs by Joe Montana's time. Bradshaw, Staubach, Tarkenton, Archie Manning, Fouts... they didn't have that benefit for much or all of their careers.

I don't think Brady or Brees or even Payton Manning would have been so great in the 70s. (Brees may have been a Tarkenton) I think they would have been pounded out there. I think guys like Ben and Brett Favre would have been fine. Ben got pounded most of his career anyway.
 
The closest thing we have to real QB's right now are Ben, Rivers and maybe Rodgers/Luck. Dudes are big, have strong arms, intelligent and can move. I'm not 100% sure that Drew Brees could have played back in the 70's...he'd have gotten killed, Brady would get killed...

I've always considered Montana the GOAT, but Unitas is right there. The coolest part about those old school dudes is they called their own plays. No signals from the sidelines, no coaches barking in their ears. Call the game, everybody in the huddle knew who the boss was...Field Generals

...dudes are more like 2nd Lieutenants now...
 
I have always maintained that Montana is the GOAT. The old school QB's had to pass under the threat of being decapitated, add to that the fact that certain routes were not available because your WR stood a chance of being killed, and to pile on: the rules changed to benefit offenses. Listen to Ray Lewis, Jack Tatum and others speak on this toward the end of this video

No matter what the NFL's marketing or it's "jockocracy" of ex players tell you, NO post 1980's QB can even be considered for GOAT.

Watch the video kids, that first part is from a time when you had to be a man to play the game.


This is so true

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I hate Brady with a passion but you can’t deny he would be great in any era. He’s not small. I think he’s 6’4” and at least 220lbs. That’s a touch smaller than Ben.
 
I hate Brady with a passion but you can’t deny he would be great in any era. He’s not small. I think he’s 6’4” and at least 220lbs. That’s a touch smaller than Ben.

But he is a *****. A couple forearms to the face would change his ability to perform. They didn't have full facemasks in the 50s-70s
 
But he is a *****. A couple forearms to the face would change his ability to perform. They didn't have full facemasks in the 50s-70s

I’ve seen Brady headbutt guys before. He even has to his own teammates to get them fired up. He may complain to the officials to draw penalties but he certainly isn’t a *****.
 
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