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For those who think Ben is not playing well

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Its not helping Ben that Bryant and Bell dropped two TD passes. It doesn't help him he has had the no huddle all but taken away.

Haley doesn't call play action enough. He could call a screen every now and then to slow down the pass rush.

I also see a double message by some that says the OL is not as good for Bell. Well if that is so, its not good for Ben either.

Want more? Stupid penalties continue to hamstring the offense.

Use the numbers

Ben is completing 62.7% of his passes, and has 5 TD's with just 1 interception with a passer rating of 93.8. If he keeps this up, he's going to have an awesome season with about 25 TD's and 4 Int's
 
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slashsteel said:
Ahhh it doesn't fit the Tomlin nuthuggers agenda.

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No, it doesn't. Ben isn't pinpoint passer type like Brady, but if Brady's receivers and backs were dropping key passes for touchdowns, and the other players were committing stupid penalties, his offense would score fewer points too.

Heath Miller > Jessie James
Bell and Bryant 2015 are much better than the same two guys in 2017

I see no drop off in Ben's play.
 
Tomlinism(s) detour the fact that he is a slow adjusting coach. MAKE the adjustments and ALL players will play better.




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It's things like throwing 20 yards downfield into double coverage on 3rd and 2 that's the problem. Drive killing play calling instead of getting the first down and sustaining drives. I suppose that could be on Haley though and not so much Ben.
 
I think what’s killing this offense is the lack of production from #2 and #3 receivers. Bryant and Rodgers simply have not produced consistently. It was expected that Bryant would add that element that this football team sorely lacked last season. He has not. Rodgers has not elevated his game as well.

Expectations for JuJu were high as well with the team thinking he would challenge Rodgers but he has not.

So it’s the Ben and AB show again and that cannot be all there is plus Lev Bell just has added nothing
making the situation for Ben worse.


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Why is it that when we go to the no huddle and/or hurry up offense that we move the ball much more effectively? I know Ben calls the plays in the hurry up, not sure how much he calls in the no huddle, but it seems to me that when we utilize the no huddle we are much more effective. Why is it that we wait until we are in a huge hole to go no huddle?
 
He's not playing well. Holding the ball and taking hits isn't playing well. When he got rid of the ball quickly we drove down the field. They did that for maybe a drive and a half and then stopped. We were playing without 2 OL starters and it showed yesterday.
 
Steelers1356 said:
It's things like throwing 20 yards downfield into double coverage on 3rd and 2 that's the problem. Drive killing play calling instead of getting the first down and sustaining drives. I suppose that could be on Haley though and not so much Ben.
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Ben doesnt have to throw deep he chooses to go deep. There have been open guys underneath ignored.
 
I suppose that could be on Haley though and not so much Ben.
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It's both. Ben had James on that 3rd and short for a first, but he chose to go for the kill shot with Bryant. If the DB doesn't make the swat, Bryant maybe makes that catch and the Steelers go up by 4 and break the Bears backs. Who knows. Ben is a gambler. He likes to take those shots.

In that case I can't truly fault the play as there WAS an option for the 1st and Ben didn't take it. And some days, Ben has to realize he's just not having his best game and he's got to take what he can get and hope to just keep moving down the field. At the same time, some of those play calls were epic stupid. Emptying the backfield on 3rd and 2 is dumb as toast. Not putting Conner in on short yardage even once is dumb as toast. Make the Bears THINK!

There were very few simple throws in there to get Ben on track. And for whatever reason, Bell is just NOT coming up to speed. He looks like he's running in cement back there. My gut tells me he's running not to get hurt.

As for the receivers, I would agree. Bryant hasn't quite gotten there yet but I suspect he will. He had the same problem before. He needs to be challenged and told to pull his head out of his ***. If he's not basically told to nut up he'll just go out there and assume his overwhelming talent will take care of it. Wake up call, hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard. Somebody said that once and it's true as ****.

JuJu just doens't know what's going on yet. He's a rookie and he's not a blue-chip. He can be a solid contributor, but let's not fool ourselves. He's going to need some work.

Rogers. He was always one of those, "Good game here and there" guys. But he was never solid day in day out. And it is seriously looking like he is terrified as a punt returner. You can be a lot of things as a punt returner, but scared aint one of them.
 
Players hurdling over tackles arent playing to not get hurt IMO.
 
The whole offense is not playing well. Ben is not taking the simple plays. How many times is james or Rodgers open underneath but ben chooses to bomb it. It is just poor choices and poor playcalling. When your oline is struggling and you have short yardage it is moronic to go 5 wide with no threat of a run. The rushers can just t off. I do not get it.
 
I'm sorry, but every QB has WR's drop the ball.


An elite QB should not be rattled by dropped balls.
An elite QB DOES NOT hold the ball for 8 seconds and take the sack.
An elite QB takes what the defense is giving him and keeps the drive alive.
An elite QB uses the deep ball sparingly to surprise the defense, not once every drive.
An elite QB should be able to win with Brown, Brown, and Bell. Even if they're not at 100%.

I dont think that anyone is saying Ben sucks, and he is obviously the best QB in the AFCN. But I think we may be seeing the decline of Ben right before our eyes. I hope I'm wrong, but the guy looks checked out.
 
Bigappleyinzer said:
I'm sorry, but every QB has WR's drop the ball.


An elite QB should not be rattled by dropped balls.
An elite QB DOES NOT hold the ball for 8 seconds and take the sack.
An elite QB takes what the defense is giving him and keeps the drive alive.
An elite QB uses the deep ball sparingly to surprise the defense, not once every drive.
An elite QB should be able to win with Brown, Brown, and Bell. Even if they're not at 100%.

I dont think that anyone is saying Ben sucks, and he is obviously the best QB in the AFCN. But I think we may be seeing the decline of Ben right before our eyes. I hope I'm wrong, but the guy looks checked out.
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Exactly my frigging point. If he cant execute at that elite level anymore put in an Run first offense with a FB and play that way.
 
Umm Rodgers holds the ball and takes sacks every game. He was sacked like 4 times by the Bengals in the first half.

The underneath throw to James was not there like some suggest, the LB was right there, they showed that play from a different angle.
Last time I checked Ben can't throw the ball, run down the field and secure the ball in the wr's hands. Bryant drops a sure long TD, and Bell drops a check down that goes for at least a first down, maybe the winning g score, that's 4 check downs Bell has dropped already this year, well I mean Ben never throws the check down🙄

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Bigappleyinzer said:
I'm sorry, but every QB has WR's drop the ball.


An elite QB should not be rattled by dropped balls.
An elite QB DOES NOT hold the ball for 8 seconds and take the sack.
An elite QB takes what the defense is giving him and keeps the drive alive.
An elite QB uses the deep ball sparingly to surprise the defense, not once every drive.
An elite QB should be able to win with Brown, Brown, and Bell. Even if they're not at 100%.

I dont think that anyone is saying Ben sucks, and he is obviously the best QB in the AFCN. But I think we may be seeing the decline of Ben right before our eyes. I hope I'm wrong, but the guy looks checked out.
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Who says Ben is rattled???

Who says he been sacked too much???

Which elite QB has their primary back struggling this much in terms of Yards per carrying or catch?

How many dropped TD passes do other QB's have? Not as many as Ben does.

You have to throw it deep every now and then, its Byrant's job to catch it. Or last season it was Coates

Ben is 2-1 with all the problems, he is still elite. The numbers if you will view them show you that, and like I said the penalties are killing the offense.

*** I see no decline in his game outside of he isn't as mobile as he was 5 years ago. The problem is WR's not catching balls, and penalties. And some really bad play calling by Haley. Ben is still a top 3-6 NFL Quarterback. Currently only 5 NLF QB's have a higher QB ratings. Ben would rate higher if guys would not drop touchdown passes .***
 
Coryea said:
Umm Rodgers holds the ball and takes sacks every game. He was sacked like 4 times by the Bengals in the first half.

The underneath throw to James was not there like some suggest, the LB was right there, they showed that play from a different angle.
Last time I checked Ben can't throw the ball, run down the field and secure the ball in the wr's hands. Bryant drops a sure long TD, and Bell drops a check down that goes for at least a first down, maybe the winning g score, that's 4 check downs Bell has dropped already this year, well I mean Ben never throws the check down🙄

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Funny that you bring up Rodgers. Because he executed the 2 minute drill, whereas Ben was forcing the ball into 2 or three man coverages.

Any QB would kill to have AB, let alone the rest of our weapons. So its more than fair to ask for more out of our QB.
 
Bigappleyinzer said:
Funny that you bring up Rodgers. Because he executed the 2 minute drill, whereas Ben was forcing the ball into 2 or three man coverages.

Any QB would kill to have AB, let alone the rest of our weapons. So its more than fair to ask for more out of our QB.
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as well as the rest of the team

again Ben is the minor problem in comparison
 
Bigappleyinzer said:
Funny that you bring up Rodgers. Because he executed the 2 minute drill, whereas Ben was forcing the ball into 2 or three man coverages.

Any QB would kill to have AB, let alone the rest of our weapons. So its more than fair to ask for more out of our QB.
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I guess it's unfair to ask those guys to catch the ball? Bell who thinks he's worth 17 million and should be paid as a #1 rb and #2 wr can't catch a simple check down? But Montgomery catches a simple pass and turns it into huge gain for GB? Yep that's all on the QB? James had a TD go right through his hands too, ******* Ben.

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Coryea said:
I guess it's unfair to ask those guys to catch the ball? Bell who thinks he's worth 17 million and should be paid as a #1 rb and #2 wr can't catch a simple check down? But Montgomery catches a simple pass and turns it into huge gain for GB? Yep that's all on the QB? James had a TD go right through his hands too, ******* Ben.

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The pass to james would of been a miraculous catch..
 
11 points given up by special teams
Bell and Martavis with drops
Run D ***** the bed doesn't give Ben a chance to win it in overtime.

It's Ben not Tomlin honest

LMAO
 
Like Jordy Nelson catching that out while keeping his feet in, even though the ball was tipped?
I don't have the game on tape, so I'll take your word on that, looked to me like it went right over the defender and James wasn't quite ready and it went through his hands. Seems like everyone wants Ben to be perfect, but it's not acceptable to expect guys to make some plays too

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slashsteel said:
as well as the rest of the team

again Ben is the minor problem in comparison
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Absolutely. By no means is Ben the weakest link on the team.

But its not out of bounds to state that he has to up his game.
 
Long time lurker here.

I just want to add to this discussion that there is plenty of blame to go around but Ben should get the lions share. Why you ask?

While the run defense was pitiful if Ben had not been so greedy early on we could have sustained drives and scored points. This would have forced the Bears into pass first mode. Instead they never had to abandon the run.

It's not on Haley or Tomlin. The problem was largely the QB. He refuses the short routes and the result is the offense trotting off the field to quickly.

Just my 2 cents.
 
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