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For those of you who love to bash Haley

It'll be awhile, it was at one of his press conferences last year, he was asked if Ben has the green light to change the plays, he said in some cases yes, but in crucial situations, I have final say or something along those lines.

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MEAT, that's what for supper, **** it, MEAT all 3 meals.!!!!!




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If James doesn't extend for the goal line we've got a second and goal at the 1 or a TD once he realizes he wasn't touched. All this other stuff is BS because we lost the game.
 
If James doesn't extend for the goal line we've got a second and goal at the 1 or a TD once he realizes he wasn't touched. All this other stuff is BS because we lost the game.
It's all BS because that was a damn TD

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It's all BS because that was a damn TD

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I agree with you there. He clearly made the catch, turned up field with a knee down and then his elbow extending the ball across the goal line. The officials chose which variation of their "catch" rules to apply to the play. Otherwise this is a great effort by James and the rest of this conversation is null, which is basically my point above.
 
Watching that video angle, if Rogers is not used as leverage for the DB by him pulling backwards to lunge forward, that is a TD.
 
I agree with you there. He clearly made the catch, turned up field with a knee down and then his elbow extending the ball across the goal line. The officials chose which variation of their "catch" rules to apply to the play. Otherwise this is a great effort by James and the rest of this conversation is null, which is basically my point above.
Yep, the rule I quoted was if a pass catcher isn't on his feet long enough to become a runner or is the going to the ground to make a catch, the wording says he must possess the ball through his initial contact with the ground, which was clearly his knee, and he clearly had possession.

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Yep, the rule I quoted was if a pass catcher isn't on his feet long enough to become a runner or is the going to the ground to make a catch, the wording says he must possess the ball through his initial contact with the ground, which was clearly his knee, and he clearly had possession.

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The NFL rules committee needs to establish what possession actually is and at what point in the catch does possession occur. I agree if you are diving outstretched for the ball, catch it while going down, that you need to maintain possession when you hit the ground. James play was different in that while he was going to the ground he still had time to catch the ball, bring it into his body, and then extend for the goal line. That is different than catching the ball and going to the ground in one motion. Again, if the NFL can establish what possession is then a lot of the ambiguity goes away as well.
 
Watching that video angle, if Rogers is not used as leverage for the DB by him pulling backwards to lunge forward, that is a TD.

Its beyond infuriating that only 2 penalties were called on the Cheats all game. Hell even the Bryant TD catch they were blatantly holding his ******* hand in front of the refs, still no flag. It makes you wonder because that's obviously something they are coached to do. You hold every play and the refs won't call it cause no one wants to see a flag fest.
 
I honsetly don't care about all this catch not a catch nonsense, if the ball crosses the plain of the goal line the play should be immediately called dead and ruled a TD, anything after the tip of the ball crossing the goal line is to be considered as happening after the play was over. End of story
 
Its beyond infuriating that only 2 penalties were called on the Cheats all game. Hell even the Bryant TD catch they were blatantly holding his ******* hand in front of the refs, still no flag. It makes you wonder because that's obviously something they are coached to do. You hold every play and the refs won't call it cause no one wants to see a flag fest.
That crew calls more penalties per game than any other crew too.

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ha ha


Steelers coaches botched the final drive vs. the Patriots


The Steelers got screwed by the catch rule but then screwed themselves when they still had a shot to win.

Despite getting screwed by the catch rule, the Steelers still had 10 yards to go and time to run a couple of plays. This is the part where they beat themselves. On the next play, Ben Roethlisberger threw a limp out pass to Darrius Heyward-Bey, who only managed 3 yards and couldn’t even get out of bounds. The seconds ticked down as Pittsburgh scrambled to the line.

The team’s panic stuck out like a sore thumb given how much time they had to discuss their next move.

A full three minutes and 20 seconds elapsed from the moment James supposedly scored to the moment Tony Corrente explained that the ruling on the field had been overturned. That's more than enough time for the offense to huddle and to discuss in clear, certain terms what would happen if, for example, the second-down play resulted in the clock ticking after a tackle.

At this point, the entire drive fell apart. Roethlisberger wanted to spike the ball, even though it would’ve left them with fourth down and almost no choice but to kick the field goal. Mike Tomlin and offensive coordinator Todd Haley wanted their quarterback to simply run a play, but Roethlisberger tried a really half-hearted fake spike before forcing the ball to a double-covered Eli Rogers:

The miscommunication is obvious. Nobody knows what’s going on — the offensive line isn’t even blocking, while the receivers don’t run routes. (Perhaps they could’ve drawn some defenders away from Rogers if they went full speed). It was a complete disaster that ended the only way it could.

Also, why are you calling a short slant at the goal line against the Patriots? Haven’t we seen this movie before? At any rate, the Patriots all but clinched the No. 1 seed with this win.

The Steelers’ best-case scenario will be to secure a first-round bye and hope Antonio Brown is ready to go for the Divisional round.

https://www.sbnation.com/2017/12/19...s-mike-tomlin-ben-roethlisberger-pete-carroll
 
Proof positive that what I told you guys 2 days ago is true(and in the game thread); Tomlin meddled and the chain of stupidity started with the Big Dummy throwing that pass to Bey. Tomlin then said "I can do you one better, watch this big dummy......

Thanks Mike and Ben...all of this had NOTHING to do with Haley.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-turni...NT-to-lose-game-vs-Patriots-NFL-Turning-Point

Haley played turtle ball vs New England. You can't do that with a slim lead.
 
Haley played turtle ball vs New England. You can't do that with a slim lead.

CHUCK FOSTER FROM COLORADO SPRINGS, CO:
Why did Todd Haley only call running plays during the last two out of three times Pittsburgh had the ball? They moved the ball up and down the field all day with mostly passes, and he just cost them the game by running it and trying to run the clock out.


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ANSWER: You must subscribe to the "never let facts get in the way of my opinion" club, but I'm going to clear up the inaccuracies here for you anyway. On the second-to-last possession, which was a three-and-out, two of the three plays were passes. One ended up as a run when Ben Roethlisberger couldn't find an open receiver and had to scramble, but the play called was a pass. On third-and-4, Roethlisberger threw another pass, this one to JuJu Smith-Schuster, but he was stopped less than a yard short of the line to gain by safety Eric Rowe, who made a nice play on a physical wide receiver.

On the third-to-last possession, which started at their own 3-yard line, by the way - not exactly a spot on the field to be throwing the ball all over the place - the first eight plays were five runs that gained 20 yards, which is a 4.0 average, and three passes. Then came the holding penalty on Al Villanueva that messed everything up.


For the game, the Steelers called 28 running plays that gained 133 yards (4.8 average) and 35 passes, including the two sacks and the three times Roethlisberger scrambled out of the pocket.

If you wanted to criticize a particular play, such as the draw to Fitz Toussaint on second-and-23 during that third-to-last possession, I would have listened, but your blanket criticism is based on inaccuracies and generalizations.
 
The thing that killed us was the Big AL penalties, we were pounding them and running clock and they couldn't stop us, we just had an 8 yard run by Connor and of course a holding call, then a false start.

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STEELERS Haley: ‘We just can’t throw an interception’
ByDale LolleyPosted on December 21, 2017 PITTSBURGH STEELERS QUARTERBACK BEN ROETHLISBERGER (7) TALKS TO OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR TODD HALEY. MATT SUNDAY / DKPS
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There has been plenty written and said about the final sequence of the Steelers’ 27-24 loss to the Patriots at Heinz Field.

But Todd Haley, the man in charge of calling the plays the Steelers ran down the stretch, hadn’t had his shot to explain what happened. At least until Thursday.


Haley, who is only made available to the media on Thursdays, defended what happened on the offense’s final possession of the game, which ended with Ben Roethlisberger throwing an interception in the end zone with five seconds remaining.


His solution to what happened?

“Have the first touchdown be a touchdown, No. 1,” said Haley. “The only thing I’ll say is that’s an incomplete-or-out-of-bounds situation after the ball was ruled an incompletion. We don’t want the ball in the field of play. I’m never going to question Ben’s decision or thinking that (Darrius) Heyward-Bey could get out of bounds. But, as far as scenario, we’re in an incomplete-or-out-of-bounds situation and the clock is running if things go the way they’re supposed to go. Then you’re getting the guys on the field that you want to have on the field.”

For those not aware of the situation to which Haley is referring, here’s a look at what he called “the first touchdown.”



Jesse James caught what was initially ruled a touchdown before it was overturned upon replay review because the ball hit the ground and moved when James reached for the goal line.

That gave the Steelers a second-and-goal situation with 34 seconds remaining and Haley went with a package that included James at tight end, Le’Veon Bell, Eli Rogers, JuJu Smith-Schuster and Heyward-Bey on the field. Martavis Bryant, who had earlier caught a 4-yard TD pass in a similar situation, was on the sideline.

The 6-4 Bryant was on the sideline because Haley felt instead of using a number of different receivers in place of Antonio Brown, who had left early in the second quarter after suffering a calf injury, the Steelers would keep everyone else where they would normally play and had practiced all week. Heyward-Bey was simply inserted into Brown’s position.

So, on second down, after a nearly four-minute review overturned James’ touchdown, Heyward-Bey ran a crossing route while the other four receivers ran patterns that placed them in the end zone.

The argument also has been put forth he should have had more than one play called in the huddle during the break while James’ touchdown catch was being reviewed.

But, as Mike Tomlin said Tuesday, the team had a number of scenarios that were being presented in that situation it had to consider.

“There’s lots of times we have two plays called in the huddle,” said Haley. “(But) that’s an incomplete or out-of-bounds situation. You cannot in that situation get caught in the field of play. We call plays accordingly. That normally would be AB coming across the field, which would get a lot of attention. We had four guys in the end zone. They made us hot, which they hadn’t done all day. We’ve probably got to make sure Hey-Bey gets out of bounds or throw the ball away.“

But, it was an error, nonetheless. And it was not what the Steelers’ receivers are taught, according to Haley.

“We teach the receivers if they don’t think they can get out of bounds to drop the ball. Both guys thought it would go different and it didn’t. It’s a great learning situation as far as that goes. We practice that every Friday. We go through the last seven plays. Go out of bounds. If you can’t catch the ball and get out bounds, drop it. We got one caught in bounds and (Martavis) is standing next to me.”

With the clock running and precious few seconds remaining.

Heyward-Bey said Thursday that his instincts took over on the play.

“When you look back, you’re like, do I drop it?” he asked. “You just try to make plays, you just try to play football. There’s a million things that can happen in the game. You try to go with the one in your gut. That’s how football is.That’s why we play it and a lot of people watch.”

Instead of getting out of bounds, Heyward-Bey was tackled at the New England 7 with the clock running and Roethlisberger hurried his team back to the line of scrimmage with approximately 15 seconds remaining.

Then, this happened.



“We just can’t throw an interception,” Haley said in regard to Roethlisberger’s final pass attempt to Rogers, which was tipped into the air and intercepted by Duron Harmon. “We live and die down in that area of the field with the decisions made. That’s one where I have no issues with what we did. We just can’t make that mistake.”

Some have attempted to argue that the Steelers weren’t prepared for that situation and that the Patriots somehow were. Yet New England allowed a 69-yard catch-and-run by Smith-Schuster to the 10 to set up the final sequence and more than half of the team’s defense stood and watched as Roethlisberger’s final throw took place.

I posed the question to Heyward-Bey. Had the Patriots kept their composure while the Steelers had lost theirs?

“Composure? It’s football. We had a play. They made an interception,” Heyward-Bey said. “They got lucky. Composure? I’m not buying into that.”

https://www.dkpittsburghsports.com/2017/12/21/haley-just-cant-throw-interception/
 
Haley is under consideration for the NYG HC job.
 
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