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Finally! Not predictable!

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The 1st quarter didn't go well, as they had Haley calling plays and they were predictably too conservative on the first couple of drives.

I don't know when they will finally just freaking realize that the offense flies sky high with Ben calling plays, and is handcuffed with Todd calling plays. Stop trying to make the traditional play calling work and just let Ben do his thing all game long.
Can it get any more obvious that we kick major *** with Ben doing the no huddle?

But the biggest surprise was their switching things up on D. I was pleasantly surprised that instead of play calling the same old way (blitzing) the Steelers threw the Skins for a loop by only rushing three and dropping 8 into coverage.

No one saw this coming, and it worked. Skins were totally prepared for beating our blitz but it rarely came. Who injected some creativity into this team? I am not sure but I like it. We can be an effective D playing this way. Everything leading
into this game said if we got pressure on Cousins, we win, if we don't, we lose. Well, we barely even tried to blitz and we mostly had a solid game with D; not dominant, by any means, but paired with the O, plenty good enough to win games.

Previous to now, this team was bullheaded and trying to make their plan work, regardless if predictable. That is a stupid way to coach. Now, on both O and D, we aren't so predictable and it is a vast improvement over the old way they were coaching.

In war, you do not just do the most obvious and try to muscle your way; it is far more effective to do moves that are unexpected. The days of Green Bay running plays everyone knew was coming and succeeding any way are over.
 
POP said:
The 1st quarter didn't go well, as they had Haley calling plays and they were predictably too conservative on the first couple of drives.
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The team went no-huddle the first 2 series ... you know, where Ben calls the plays.
 
POP said:
The 1st quarter didn't go well, as they had Haley calling plays and they were predictably too conservative on the first couple of drives. I don't know when they will finally just freaking realize that the offense flies sky high with Ben calling plays, and is handcuffed with Todd calling plays.
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I have it from an inside source (not with Steelers org) that Ben calls all the plays. His qoute in a nutshell... "Todd Haley basically on mute in Ben's helmet . Ben calling own plays."
 
Plus you guys do know that Haley is in the headset right. It doesn't all come from Ben even in no huddle.
 
SteelerSask said:
Plus you guys do know that Haley is in the headset right. It doesn't all come from Ben even in no huddle.
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My impression is Haley & Ben put together the gameplan each week, of course with input from Tomlin, Fichtner, Munchak et al. When the game rolls around, Ben calls the plays from that agreed upon set of plays they put together. Clearly there is communication on the sidelines and in-between plays, but to my knowledge Ben has a free hand in making decisions & calling the plays.

If you listened to Gruden on the broadcast, he alluded to this on several occasions. It's a well-known fact Ben has been given free reign. Much deserved, I would add.
 
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One of the most annoying complaints I hear is someone bitching about the play calls when a team goes three and out. The calls didn't suck the execution of the calls sucked.
 
I expect that pretty much all "no huddle" teams or muddle huddle teams like the Steelers have the good ole "3 play" system in place where Ben has 3 plays fed to him and he gets to pick one based on what he sees.
 
Tibs said:
I have it from an inside source (not with Steelers org) that Ben calls all the plays. His qoute in a nutshell... "Todd Haley basically on mute in Ben's helmet . Ben calling own plays."
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OK, well, if so then BEN was being too conservative and predictable. Also, just because Ben calls own plays doesn't mean he isn't still influenced by Haley on what to call. Obviously they talk strategy all day long.
 
Tibs said:
My impression is Haley & Ben put together the gameplan each week, of course with input from Tomlin, Fichtner, Munchak et al. When the game rolls around, Ben calls the plays from that agreed upon set of plays they put together. Clearly there is communication on the sidelines and in-between plays, but to my knowledge Ben has a free hand in making decisions & calling the plays.

If you listened to Gruden on the broadcast, he alluded to this on several occasions. It's a well-known fact Ben has been given free reign. Much deserved, I would add.
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And I would add that the O is highly more prolific with Ben having the reigns, to whatever degree he does.

But, my main point was the D changing things up. It was refreshing to see the D throwing them a curve ball. Would that happen if Dick LeBeau was still our DC? I doubt it.
 
If you look at cousins stats against the blitz you would see that the guy is surprisingly very successful. This D scheme was perfectly designed based on those stats. Of course it won't work against other QBs, the important thing is they are studying the opposing team correctly and probably we will see someth very different along the season
 
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One of the most annoying complaints I hear is someone bitching about the play calls when a team goes three and out. The calls didn't suck the execution of the calls sucked.
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Such a blanket statement is nowhere near accurate. Poor execution _can_ be why a play fails but to say that it is always the cause is just whacky. If you call a play that always only produces 3 yards and it's 3rd and 5, then, yes, it is the error of play calling. You could claim every single play works on paper and only poor execution will ruin it, but that is simply not true.
 
Steeltime said:
The team went no-huddle the first 2 series ... you know, where Ben calls the plays.
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LOL.....You can't make this up. POP blames Haley for are first 2 drives for their failure and Ben is running the no-huddle.
 
POP said:
Such a blanket statement is nowhere near accurate. Poor execution _can_ be why a play fails but to say that it is always the cause is just whacky. If you call a play that always only produces 3 yards and it's 3rd and 5, then, yes, it is the error of play calling. You could claim every single play works on paper and only poor execution will ruin it, but that is simply not true.
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Except in this case it was poor execution. At least in the second drive when Ben threw the interception. Miscommunication between Ben and Rogers.
 
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OK, well, if so then BEN was being too conservative and predictable. Also, just because Ben calls own plays doesn't mean he isn't still influenced by Haley on what to call. Obviously they talk strategy all day long.
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What if it's a night game??????





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Ahh a new pop thread.

So you said blitz. Haha. What blitz. (I know. I know you said limited). What stood out to me, def wise early was gay. He was calling out ******* that were not in position or we had ZEROcoverage on folks. As wig said, we started slow, specially on Def
 
stillwright said:
LOL.....You can't make this up. POP blames Haley for are first 2 drives for their failure and Ben is running the no-huddle.
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Can't you read, dummy? It was established Todd has influence of the play calling, even during the muddle huddles.
 
POP said:
Such a blanket statement is nowhere near accurate. Poor execution _can_ be why a play fails but to say that it is always the cause is just whacky. If you call a play that always only produces 3 yards and it's 3rd and 5, then, yes, it is the error of play calling. You could claim every single play works on paper and only poor execution will ruin it, but that is simply not true.
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The call could be a medium deep pass and the wide open receiver could drop it. You call the perfect running play, catch the defense off guard and have your RB trip over his feet and lose yards.....the qb could fail to audible out of a play when it is obvious the defense is prepared for it....

I doubt anyone but you (and clete) would jump to the conclusion that he meant EVERY time execution was the issue....
 
Ironcitysteelers said:
Ahh a new pop thread.

So you said blitz. Haha. What blitz. (I know. I know you said limited). What stood out to me, def wise early was gay. He was calling out ******* that were not in position or we had ZEROcoverage on folks. As wig said, we started slow, specially on Def
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But again, the Skins were surprised we were only sending 3 and dropping 8 into coverage. Cousins was visibly irritated by this tactic.
 
POP said:
Can't you read, dummy? It was established Todd has influence of the play calling, even during the muddle huddles.
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it was never established that Haley has any influence on what plays Ben calls on the field...it was established that Haley has the ability with the headset in Ben's helmet to make suggestions or calls himself....but no one but those inside the Steelers know who really calls all the plays
 
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But again, the Skins were surprised we were only sending 3 and dropping 8 into coverage. Cousins was visibly irritated by this tactic.
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Ahh maybe. Or they ****** up. Let's say they kept tossing it to the TE that we could stop. Or or run the ball!!

We came to play, we showed that. It just took a quarter to put it together
 
Especially at the beginning of the game when you have practiced these plays all week..yes execution is usually the cause..add in the fact the other team gets paid too..simply saying it was coaching or team is flat is more of blanket statement IMO. Sometimes it takes a series or two to adjust to whatever wrinkles the other team has added during the week specifically for you that they didn't show on film.
 
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Posted for truth...
 
Play doesn't work = predictable play calling

Play works = unpredictable play calling

Gamble doesn't pay off = stupid decision

Gamble pays off = brilliant decision
 
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