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Extension for Mike Tomlin

In 1998, Bill Cowher's Steelers went 7-9. No playoffs.
In 1999, 6-10. No playoffs.
In 2000, 9-7. No playoffs.

The Steelers responded by extending his contract in 2001. Extrapolate.
 
We are stuck with mediocre Mike for a long time.
 
Ice Cubist said:
In 1998, Bill Cowher's Steelers went 7-9. No playoffs.
In 1999, 6-10. No playoffs.
In 2000, 9-7. No playoffs.

The Steelers responded by extending his contract in 2001. Extrapolate.
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Obviously you don't know the context or your being deceptive. Cowher was in a fight with the GM Donahoe during that time. He wanted to draft different players but was being overruled by Donahoe. This is also during the time Heinz field was being built and Cowher was having to replace several pieces every single year. Like I said you're either being deceptive or you're just ignorant of the facts.
 
Ice Cubist said:
In 1998, Bill Cowher's Steelers went 7-9. No playoffs.
In 1999, 6-10. No playoffs.
In 2000, 9-7. No playoffs.

The Steelers responded by extending his contract in 2001. Extrapolate.
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LOL, look at the state of the team today, the laughing stock that we are to the rest of the league, and no further extrapolation is necessary...pretty self explanatory actually.
 
Ice Cubist said:
In 1998, Bill Cowher's Steelers went 7-9. No playoffs.
In 1999, 6-10. No playoffs.
In 2000, 9-7. No playoffs.

The Steelers responded by extending his contract in 2001. Extrapolate.
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He didn't have a HOF QB or 6 first round draft picks on his defense either, they realized he was in the process of rebuilding.

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Vader said:
Obviously you don't know the context or your being deceptive. Cowher was in a fight with the GM Donahoe during that time. He wanted to draft different players but was being overruled by Donahoe. This is also during the time Heinz field was being built and Cowher was having to replace several pieces every single year. Like I said you're either being deceptive or you're just ignorant of the facts.
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I wouldn't use the word deceptive. Let's say...over simplistic in my suggestion that the front office might not react the way the fans expect or desire. I've seen no evidence of a huge organizational pivot and they are notoriously reluctant to rock the boat with HCs as has been discussed here ad nauseam.

We see a catastrophe, they may very well still see a hiccup. My only point is that Tomlin being extended wouldn't shock me in the slightest. We shall see.
 
Coryea said:
He didn't have a HOF QB or 6 first round draft picks on his defense either, they realized he was in the process of rebuilding.

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Yeah, everything that can be said about this topic (Cowher v Tomlin) has already been said a jillon times here. We don't need to revisit it. I just want everyone to prepare themselves for him getting extended for their own sanity.
 
Ice Cubist said:
I wouldn't use the word deceptive. Let's say...over simplistic in my suggestion that the front office might not react the way the fans expect or desire. I've seen no evidence of a huge organizational pivot and they are notoriously reluctant to rock the boat with HCs as has been discussed here ad nauseam.

We see a catastrophe, they may very well still see a hiccup. My only point is that Tomlin being extended wouldn't shock me in the slightest. We shall see.
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Oh make no mistake about it that is all they see a hiccup.

They treat free agency accordingly as if they only need minor tweaks.

Besides a D scheme that is a fail, one of the biggest team issues is just that. Their misguided viewpoint on what is needed to get them where we all desire them to go.
 
Ice Cubist said:
Yeah, everything that can be said about this topic (Cowher v Tomlin) has already been said a jillon times here. We don't need to revisit it. I just want everyone to prepare themselves for him getting extended for their own sanity.
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I'm not trying to turn it into that, but pointing out that there was a significant difference.

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Ice Cubist said:
Yeah, everything that can be said about this topic (Cowher v Tomlin) has already been said a jillon times here. We don't need to revisit it. I just want everyone to prepare themselves for him getting extended for their own sanity.
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I will bet you that given Tomlin's handling of AB that he does NOT get an extension in this year.
 
Coach said:
After this season? Art would be a moron of epic proportions to do that this offseason. If he were to offer Tomlin an extension now, he's going to lose the support of at least 50% of the fans.

By contrast if he fires Tomlin and has one of the playoff coaches in mind the opposite will happen.
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Wow 50%? That should make season tickets easier to get, eh?
 
Vader said:
Obviously you don't know the context or your being deceptive. Cowher was in a fight with the GM Donahoe during that time. He wanted to draft different players but was being overruled by Donahoe. This is also during the time Heinz field was being built and Cowher was having to replace several pieces every single year. Like I said you're either being deceptive or you're just ignorant of the facts.
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ARe you saying that Marvel Smith, Clark Haggans, Joey Porter, Aaron Smith, Alan Faneca, Deshea Townsend and Hines Ward are NOT Cowher players? Those players were drafted in 1998-2000.
 
steelhurt said:
Gee, wonder who Bill’s QB was during that period.


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His argument is flawed, but that is not where it is flawed. Cowher could have insisted on getting a different QB. He was apparently fine with O'Donnel, Kordell, Graham, Maddox...etc. or believed he could win with them. I would actually say that I am more impressed with the results he did achieve given who he chose to put under center for all of those years.
 
Coach said:
How long was Marvin Lewis the head coach in Cincinnati? Try 15 years and he never won anything. His playoff record was terrible and the fans suffered through many seasons. Lewis was of African American decent, so saying its some sort of white privilege for a head coach to last in the NFL is just plain wrong.


Sean Petyon, for example, has 12 playoff appearances, 7 division titles, and a super bowl victory. That's why he stays.
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Not sure what you are implying Coach in the last sentence of the first paragraph. Maybe you need to clarify it better.

As for the stats game for comparison of Payton’s coaching career..including his suspension year in 2012.

This coach has 15 playoff appearances, 6 division titles, one conference title, two SB appearances and one SB victory. Try being objective for once and ignore names. Who has had a better coaching career up to this point?


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Funny but Sean Payton did the FAKE PUNT at the right time....

Timing is everything

But, if he failed????
 
ark steel said:
ARe you saying that Marvel Smith, Clark Haggans, Joey Porter, Aaron Smith, Alan Faneca, Deshea Townsend and Hines Ward are NOT Cowher players? Those players were drafted in 1998-2000.
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No one knows, but no matter what they are Cowhers players they all got significantly better under him.
The issue became at an impass because we took Edwards instead Kearse.

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Steeler Pride said:
His argument is flawed, but that is not where it is flawed. Cowher could have insisted on getting a different QB. He was apparently fine with O'Donnel, Kordell, Graham, Maddox...etc. or believed he could win with them. I would actually say that I am more impressed with the results he did achieve given who he chose to put under center for all of those years.
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The funny thing is if you go back and look where we drafted there were no QBs that were near where we picked that we passed on and free agency was crap. He did try to get Marino in here in 2000

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Steeler Pride said:
His argument is flawed, but that is not where it is flawed. Cowher could have insisted on getting a different QB. He was apparently fine with O'Donnel, Kordell, Graham, Maddox...etc. or believed he could win with them. I would actually say that I am more impressed with the results he did achieve given who he chose to put under center for all of those years.
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Again, it was not my intention to get into Cowher v Tomlin at all. Slash made my point way better than I did.They recognized those lean years as something for Cowher to work through and I wouldn't be surprised if they view the current situation similarly. Given what we've seen up to this point, would you?
 
I could see them letting him coach through 2020 then not resigning him. Did that with Arians, Dick, Lake and Porter. Seems to be a theme with AR2


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Ice Cubist said:
Again, it was not my intention to get into Cowher v Tomlin at all. Slash made my point way better than I did.They recognized those lean years as something for Cowher to work through and I wouldn't be surprised if they view the current situation similarly. Given what we've seen up to this point, would you?
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again, totally different circumstances. Tomlin has a HOF QB playing at a high level, he has his defense, which there are 6 first round picks, and 2 2nd round picks on it that is failing, and he has a big part in that defense.

those late 90's teams of Cowher's was being turned over personnel wise. our current roster, has been rebuilt already and it's not getting the job done especially defensively
 
Coach said:
How long was Marvin Lewis the head coach in Cincinnati? Try 15 years and he never won anything. His playoff record was terrible and the fans suffered through many seasons. Lewis was of African American decent, so saying its some sort of white privilege for a head coach to last in the NFL is just plain wrong.


Sean Petyon, for example, has 12 playoff appearances, 7 division titles, and a super bowl victory. That's why he stays.
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You missed my point, as a response to the post I was replying to, not as a stand alone statement.
I'm refuting the fact that the Rooney's would lose their "street cred" if they didn't re-up Tomlin and/or let him "retire" like coaches past because he's black.
The fact that's he's been a coach for over a decade and is the third longest tenured coach means if they don't re-up him/allow him to retire keeps their Rooney Rule affect in tact. It's not as if by not resigning Tomlin they've pulled a Browns with Chudzinski and gave him less than 365 days as a head coach, thus bringing out Al Sharpton and the Whitey Keepin' The Black Man Down Brigade out.
I'm sure some clown like Shaun King will cry if/when it happens, but as always, he won't have a leg to stand on.
It will be purely because the inmates now run the asylum and Tomlin has lost his credibility with the players and management.
 
Rewatching GOT and came across this scene and thought of Tomlin -
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Ice Cubist said:
I wouldn't use the word deceptive. Let's say...over simplistic in my suggestion that the front office might not react the way the fans expect or desire. I've seen no evidence of a huge organizational pivot and they are notoriously reluctant to rock the boat with HCs as has been discussed here ad nauseam.

We see a catastrophe, they may very well still see a hiccup. My only point is that Tomlin being extended wouldn't shock me in the slightest. We shall see.
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You could have made you post more clear. Just throwing out stats with no context or explanation doesn't help. Since you claim you weren't turning this into a Tomlin/Cowher debate then why use this format?
 
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