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Every NFL Owner Lost Today

I think we got what the market would bear for a nut case who is likely on drugs. He will devour the LA/Vegas scene and likely be in trouble with the league and the law in no time.

Remember this is not the AB we knew a couple years ago. We got rid of a pain in the *** who was absolutely no good for our team regardless of the occasional spectacular catch. Those catches were for him not his team

Good riddance.
 
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Great thread, your are spot on. These owners need to get together and save this league reputation. Players like Brown who now really feels they are bigger than the game, owners, fans, other players and it revolves around what they want makes the NFL look bad. All the talk shows make Brown some kind of hero today when he has hurt the game. The bigger than life ME attitude is disgusting to say the least. The ownership had a chance to change the atmosphere, we have been witness to the last few years of the Steelers. Should have got rid of Bell , Brown Tomlin who allowed this culture we see called the Steelers, the DC who has been a puppet to Tomlin. The Steeler Nation would of applauded this decision. We are still under Tomlin coaching and we will still witness a team that to many times heads are not in the game. For Rooney to go to Florida to see Brown and then listen to all Brown wanted to say badly about Pittsburgh, a big head scratcher. Time players remember they are employees not owners.
 
Vincent said:
The Steelers have been in decline since the beginning of the 2007 season. They won a Lombardi in 08 with Cowher's roster. They haven't done @#$% since except embarrass themselves.

What value does Tomlin bring to the table? Word was back then that he was brought in because he would have the cred to deal with the likes of an AB or a Bell, y'know, a '757 guy'. The HC's job is to manage and develop talent so that it produces on the field. This team has wasted more talent than any I can remember during his tenure, and it culminates with the departure of 2 sure HoFers because he can't do what he was brought here to do. And if he's incapable of doing that, we don't need him to stand on the sideline in bewilderment. Waste of space. Bell and AB were his responsibility and he failed spectacularly. As a fan, I'd prefer that the team was spectacular.

The AB and Bell thing are no different that what he did to Silverback, arguably another HoFer - squander the talent. Your job Mikey is to be in their heads. Your job Mikey is to make them produce on the field. Your job Mikey is to return on the investment the Pittsburgh Steelers made in the talent in terms of draft capitol and contract value. With the talent on this roster, there is NO excuse why this team does not have several more Lombardis. None. If you can't win with the talent on this team over the last 12 seasons, you can't win at all, and you don't belong anywhere near a sideline - in any capacity. We would have been better served during that 12 years with Johnny Blood McNally, and his only value to the team was amusement.

The market will tell you the value of anything. Tomlin's job is to cultivate and manage value. Getting a 3rd and a 5th for a sure HoFer in his prime illustrates Tomlin's value. 0
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Speaking of producing and developing talent, the Steelers inability to develop DBs under Tomlin, who established himself in the league as a DB, coach says it all about his coaching abilities.

No offense to William Gay, but he is the best DB the Steelers have drafted and developed under Tomlin. Just let that sink in.

Cowher, an actual good coach, coached both LBs and DBs under Schottenheimer and the Steelers ability to draft and develop LBs and DBs under Cowher spoke for themselves.

Who knows what's going to happen to the OL play now that Munchack is gone.

It was not exactly fun to watch under Tomlin before Munchack arrived.
 
I feel the Steelers really mismanaged this situation and they must have had zero and I mean zero leverage. Back ending his contract and moving his guarenteed money into a situation where it was 21 million to cut him or trade him gave them nothing. Cause personally having a team meet his contract demands really should have nothing to do with this deal. We are paying you. Play for us as your contract states to the very best of your ability or don't. And if it is don't give a preference list of teams and we will see what we can do. If in a year you can squeeze more money from them good on you. But that is not ours or their problem for that matter. Unbelievable.
 
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Punxsutawney said:
No offense to William Gay, but he is the best DB the Steelers have drafted and developed under Tomlin. Just let that sink in.
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The best DB we have now was drafted by the Browns. Just let that sink in too.
 
SteelerSask said:
I feel the Steelers really mismanaged this situation and they must have had zero and I mean zero leverage. Back ending his contract and moving his guarenteed money into a situation where it was 21 million to cut him or trade him gave them nothing.
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What movement of guaranteed money? You can’t move the salary cap hit that is part of signing bonus.
 
Steelers need to slam the door on players talking their way out of town

Antonio Brown isn’t the first guy to finagle a path out of Pittsburgh in recent years, but he needs to be the last.

It’s now obvious that the Steelers lost this one, badly. For all the bluster about insisting on “significant compensation” for Brown and not rushing to trade him before a $2.5 million roster bonus comes due on March 17, the Steelers ultimately took the best deal they could get: A third-round pick and a fifth-round pick.

Given that they got a third-round pick a year ago for receiver Martavis Bryant, they should have gotten far more than a three and a five for one of the best receivers in the league. And they didn’t, not just because Brown wanted to go but because the Steelers decided that they needed to him to leave. And they needed him to leave because they allowed him to morph into a guy who became a problem that only could be solved with a one-way ticket out of town.

It happened because management allowed it to happen, rewarding Brown financially in 2012, 2015, 2016, and 2017 while plenty of the things that came to light in recent years surely were going on, from tardiness to setting up his own off-campus residence during training camp. His last payday, which began with a $19 million signing bonus and continued with a 2018 restructuring bonus of nearly $13 million, came only weeks after he opted to launch a Facebook Live stream from the locker room after a playoff win (capturing among other things coach Mike Tomlin referring to the Patriots as “********“), and after reports emerged of Brown pouting because he wasn’t getting the ball as much as he wanted it during the AFC title game.

They can’t be surprised that Brown felt like the contract he received two years ago vindicated his antics. And they also can’t be surprised that players like Brown would think that misbehavior has its rewards

Ultimately, this kind of stuff flows right back to Tomlin, who seat surely has gotten a lot hotter now that his mismanagement of Brown will result in the Steelers enduring a public humiliation, along with the loss of a highly talented player. But it also flows up the chain of command to ownership, which seems to have allowed the three-coaches-in-50-years thing to become so much of the franchise’s identity that Tomlin has never had to fear the ultimate consequence for failing to get the most out of one of the most talented teams in football.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...oor-on-players-talking-their-way-out-of-town/
 
Spike said:
Steelers need to slam the door on players talking their way out of town

Antonio Brown isn’t the first guy to finagle a path out of Pittsburgh in recent years, but he needs to be the last.

It’s now obvious that the Steelers lost this one, badly. For all the bluster about insisting on “significant compensation” for Brown and not rushing to trade him before a $2.5 million roster bonus comes due on March 17, the Steelers ultimately took the best deal they could get: A third-round pick and a fifth-round pick.

Given that they got a third-round pick a year ago for receiver Martavis Bryant, they should have gotten far more than a three and a five for one of the best receivers in the league. And they didn’t, not just because Brown wanted to go but because the Steelers decided that they needed to him to leave. And they needed him to leave because they allowed him to morph into a guy who became a problem that only could be solved with a one-way ticket out of town.

It happened because management allowed it to happen, rewarding Brown financially in 2012, 2015, 2016, and 2017 while plenty of the things that came to light in recent years surely were going on, from tardiness to setting up his own off-campus residence during training camp. His last payday, which began with a $19 million signing bonus and continued with a 2018 restructuring bonus of nearly $13 million, came only weeks after he opted to launch a Facebook Live stream from the locker room after a playoff win (capturing among other things coach Mike Tomlin referring to the Patriots as “********“), and after reports emerged of Brown pouting because he wasn’t getting the ball as much as he wanted it during the AFC title game.

They can’t be surprised that Brown felt like the contract he received two years ago vindicated his antics. And they also can’t be surprised that players like Brown would think that misbehavior has its rewards

Ultimately, this kind of stuff flows right back to Tomlin, who seat surely has gotten a lot hotter now that his mismanagement of Brown will result in the Steelers enduring a public humiliation, along with the loss of a highly talented player. But it also flows up the chain of command to ownership, which seems to have allowed the three-coaches-in-50-years thing to become so much of the franchise’s identity that Tomlin has never had to fear the ultimate consequence for failing to get the most out of one of the most talented teams in football.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...oor-on-players-talking-their-way-out-of-town/
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And that's coming from Florio who is always on the player's side in every money dispute. That just shows how shockingly badly the steelers handled this situation.
 
AB had 3 years left on his deal. Because of the steelers ineptitude, every NFL contract is now meaningless. Any player that is remotely important to his team now has license to simply refuse to play, refuse to practice, refuse not to **** on the owner's desk.

Every owner should be furious with the steelers.

The Steelers always had a rule that they would not renegotiate contracts with more than 1 year left. That's out the window now.

Pouncey just signed a deal making him the highest paid Center. David Decastro should show up at Rooney's house and do donuts on a monster truck, then dump manure on his porch. Follow that up with a Twitter rant about how much he hates Pittsburgh
 
BLITZ said:
Raiders just got a surefire hall of fame wider receiver in his prime for peanuts. that is a win no matter how you spin it
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Except he wont have a surefire hall of famer throwing to him in Oakland/Vegas.
 
tapeANaspirin2it said:
AB had 3 years left on his deal. Because of the steelers ineptitude, every NFL contract is now meaningless. Any player that is remotely important to his team now has license to simply refuse to play, refuse to practice, refuse not to **** on the owner's desk.

Every owner should be furious with the steelers.

The Steelers always had a rule that they would not renegotiate contracts with more than 1 year left. That's out the window now.

Pouncey just signed a deal making him the highest paid Center. David Decastro should show up at Rooney's house and do donuts on a monster truck, then dump manure on his porch. Follow that up with a Twitter rant about how much he hates Pittsburgh
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Maybe, just maybe, other players aren't the prick that Brown is.
 
I'm not trying to make this political. Not in the least. But I find it ironic and funny that Kaepernick was blackballed for his political statement yet this buffoon wrangled his way to an extra 20 million dollars by literally ******** on one of the most important franchises in your business.
 
SteelerSask said:
I'm not trying to make this political. Not in the least. But I find it ironic and funny that Kaepernick was blackballed for his political statement yet this buffoon wrangled his way to an extra 20 million dollars by literally ******** on one of the most important franchises in your business.
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Major difference is Antonio Brown is a really good football player.
 
Troglodyte said:
What movement of guaranteed money? You can’t move the salary cap hit that is part of signing bonus.
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They converted salary that would have been paid out into guarenteed money thus upping his guarenteed money and putting themselves behind the 8 ball with a me first player.
 
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tapeANaspirin2it said:
AB had 3 years left on his deal. Because of the steelers ineptitude, every NFL contract is now meaningless. Any player that is remotely important to his team now has license to simply refuse to play, refuse to practice, refuse not to **** on the owner's desk.

Every owner should be furious with the steelers.

The Steelers always had a rule that they would not renegotiate contracts with more than 1 year left. That's out the window now.

Pouncey just signed a deal making him the highest paid Center. David Decastro should show up at Rooney's house and do donuts on a monster truck, then dump manure on his porch. Follow that up with a Twitter rant about how much he hates Pittsburgh
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The Raiders are the one that set a bad precedence by signing the nut job. If anyone ****** the NFL its them. If NOBODY agrees to take a player like this and the problem goes away.
 
Maowv's post is spot on. The only thing to add is this. The Steelers were fooled twice. Once by Bell, the other time by Brown. What they learn from here will determine the fate of the franchise for Rooney II's tenure.


Does anyone remember when Mike Merriwether wanted to re-do his contract? The guy had a 15 sack season and might have been one of the best three cover linebackers ever to play for the Steelers.


Dan Rooney would have none of it! He sat out the year, then we traded his sulky rear end for a first round pick the next year to Minnesota. That's how you do it.


Art Rooney II has really irked me. The guy seems out of it, and when asked what went wrong only had the cojones to mention the kicking problem.

 
You can't blame the Raiders for taking that sweetheart deal, they get AB and STILL have all their top picks

Mayock really raped the Steelers


Round 1, Pick No. 4
Round 1, Pick No. 24 (From Chicago Bears)
Round 1, Pick No. 27 (From Dallas Cowboys)
Round 2, Pick No. 35

and they have over $60M in cap space, maybe they want Bell too, lol

Vegas baby!
 
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SteelerSask said:
I'm not trying to make this political. Not in the least. But I find it ironic and funny that Kaepernick was blackballed for his political statement yet this buffoon wrangled his way to an extra 20 million dollars by literally ******** on one of the most important franchises in your business.
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Because Kap wasn't blackballed for his political beliefs. He turned down more than one contract offer. He wasn't signed because he wouldn't play for backup money and he wasn't good enough to start.
 
Spike said:
You can't blame the Raiders for taking that sweetheart deal, they get AB and STILL have all their top picks

Mayock really raped the Steelers


Round 1, Pick No. 4
Round 1, Pick No. 24 (From Chicago Bears)
Round 1, Pick No. 27 (From Dallas Cowboys)
Round 2, Pick No. 35

and they have over $60M in cap space, maybe they want Bell too, lol

Vegas baby!
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Raiders traded underperforming Amari Cooper for a 1st round pick.

They also traded superstar Khalil Mack who refused to show up and was causing a stir on social media for a 1st round pick. The bears then gave Mack a crazy big contract.

But there's no possible way the steelers could have done better than a 3rd for Antonio Brown
 
The Steelers are more enamored of their "only 3 coaches in 50 years" legacy than any players they have, fans will just have to take it up the *** by watching their talented team get wasted before they ever admit the real locker room failure of their head coach
 
Spike said:
The Steelers are more enamored of their "only 3 coaches in 50 years" legacy than any players they have, fans will just have to take it up the *** by watching their talented team get wasted before they ever admit the real locker room failure of their head coach
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Yeah but in our division he will still go 8-8 and keep that "never a losing season" record intact.
 
The next CBA negotiation will be a bloodbath. Goodell is weak. We are also seeing that the newer owners are weak as well. The old school NFL owners built this league. They understood that they were competitors on the field but one team off the field.

The new owners are more for themselves. Just look at how they caved on the anthem issue. The players had no leverage. The fanbase was overwhelmingly against the protests. The owners clearly had the legal right to end the protests but instead they reached an agreement to set up a social justice slush fund.

NFL is going down the tubes. As soon as they allow the players to take control, it will be over. They already agreed to pretty much eliminate practice. The product is not as good on the field.

They are going to eliminate kickoffs. They are making rule changes not based on making the game better, but based on what they think will please twitter. Yeah, let's move the extra point back.

They caved on protests. They caved on Kapernick's bogus collusion suit. They forced out on owner because he used a variation of a common phrase in a closed door meeting. They are changing rules left and right.

These owners will get fleeced in the next CBA, The Steelers were one of the last of the old guard. A team that always acted rationally. Did things the right way for their fans and the league in general. Now you see that cave into falsely perceived pressure as well. The NFL is a sinking ship. Try to enjoy it while it lasts.
 
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