Dupree

[SteelerFan448]

Different position. And I am sure the Steelers aren't overly loving that. They are kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place. Lack of depth. not a lot of attractive free agent possibilities.

And too many bigger needs to address. As of right now they need a ILBer,CB,WR and arguably a S. And whatever backups leave will need replacements.

They probably think well he did improve, maybe we haven't seen the best of him. And who really knows, maybe they haven't.

Bell is extremely productive as one of the best at his position. Dupree was invisible in 2017 and is at best an average starter. I though the Steelers offer to Bell was beyond fair and his asking price compared to other RBs was ridiculous. However, when you just compare talent and productivity, it isn't even close between these two and I get why he wants more.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

Contracts are more about timing than talent. If Odell Beckham was a free agent this year, i'm not sure the Giants would break the bank on him now that they know Saquon is the focus of their offense.

When you have a hole, you have to fill it. Going with an unknown is a big risk. Just look at how it didn't work at ILB last year. Bostic is a veteran. Nobody thought he'd be a stud but I think more was expected than what he gave.

That's what could happen at OLB if you let Bud leave. The Steelers have NOBODY as good as Bud to fill that spot. Chickillo had some upside a few years ago but now we know he is a backup at best and he's not a great backup. He's fine as your #4 but you don't want his as #3 because #3 actually plays.

Looking at free agents, who is an upgrade?

Too expensive
Clowney 26
Dee Ford 28
Demarcus Lawrence 27
Ziggy Ansah 30

Question Marks
Dante Fowler 25 - kind of like Bud, shows flashes but has yet to put it together to be an impact player
Clay Matthews 33 - has played mostly ILB last few years. sack totals down. Might have a good season or 2 left
Shane Ray 26 - same as Fowler

So there is no free agent that you can pencil in as a starter and feel good about it unless you break the bank. That's why Bud is coming back. They need him right now

I think Clay Matthews would be a good addition because he may be able to start at ILB and also be in the OLB rotation.

 

[Coach]

You do know you can be football smart and not have a high wonderlic right?

I know exactly what the **** I am talking about.

Do you think Dupree is a high effort player and football smart? A yes or no will suffice.


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[Ron Burgundy]

That's what could happen at OLB if you let Bud leave. The Steelers have NOBODY as good as Bud to fill that spot. Chickillo had some upside a few years ago but now we know he is a backup at best and he's not a great backup. He's fine as your #4 but you don't want his as #3 because #3 actually plays.

Tombert needs to quit drafting defense. Only draft offense and trade draft picks, players, and sign FA's for defense, i.e. get players that other teams drafted. For Exhibit A I present that fact that our best DB came from the Browns.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Contracts are more about timing than talent. If Odell Beckham was a free agent this year, i'm not sure the Giants would break the bank on him now that they know Saquon is the focus of their offense.

When you have a hole, you have to fill it. Going with an unknown is a big risk. Just look at how it didn't work at ILB last year. Bostic is a veteran. Nobody thought he'd be a stud but I think more was expected than what he gave.

That's what could happen at OLB if you let Bud leave. The Steelers have NOBODY as good as Bud to fill that spot. Chickillo had some upside a few years ago but now we know he is a backup at best and he's not a great backup. He's fine as your #4 but you don't want his as #3 because #3 actually plays.

Looking at free agents, who is an upgrade?

Too expensive
Clowney 26
Dee Ford 28
Demarcus Lawrence 27
Ziggy Ansah 30

Question Marks
Dante Fowler 25 - kind of like Bud, shows flashes but has yet to put it together to be an impact player
Clay Matthews 33 - has played mostly ILB last few years. sack totals down. Might have a good season or 2 left
Shane Ray 26 - same as Fowler

So there is no free agent that you can pencil in as a starter and feel good about it unless you break the bank. That's why Bud is coming back. They need him right now

I think Clay Matthews would be a good addition because he may be able to start at ILB and also be in the OLB rotation.

Sorry but NO to clay Mathews, needs a fork stuck in him, fat lading singing and getting tired, running on E for empty,......No Mous





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[Coryea]

Contracts are more about timing than talent. If Odell Beckham was a free agent this year, i'm not sure the Giants would break the bank on him now that they know Saquon is the focus of their offense.

When you have a hole, you have to fill it. Going with an unknown is a big risk. Just look at how it didn't work at ILB last year. Bostic is a veteran. Nobody thought he'd be a stud but I think more was expected than what he gave.

That's what could happen at OLB if you let Bud leave. The Steelers have NOBODY as good as Bud to fill that spot. Chickillo had some upside a few years ago but now we know he is a backup at best and he's not a great backup. He's fine as your #4 but you don't want his as #3 because #3 actually plays.

Looking at free agents, who is an upgrade?

Too expensive
Clowney 26
Dee Ford 28
Demarcus Lawrence 27
Ziggy Ansah 30

Question Marks
Dante Fowler 25 - kind of like Bud, shows flashes but has yet to put it together to be an impact player
Clay Matthews 33 - has played mostly ILB last few years. sack totals down. Might have a good season or 2 left
Shane Ray 26 - same as Fowler

So there is no free agent that you can pencil in as a starter and feel good about it unless you break the bank. That's why Bud is coming back. They need him right now

I think Clay Matthews would be a good addition because he may be able to start at ILB and also be in the OLB rotation.

I think any OLB could come in here and give us .3 sacks a game and 2 tackles a game for a hell of alot cheaper than Dupree, hell Moats did it. How do we know we don't have anyone better than Dupree? Chic barely plays and he has 7 sacks in two seasons, we haven't seen much of Ola, I've seen all I need to see of Dupree, he sucks vs the run, is below average pass rusher, and I've yet to see him make a play in the passing game.
How can't we have someone better or find someone better. I'd rather take a chance on a young guy, whether that's Ola or someone else and maybe get lucky and the guy turns out to be good, the worst that can happen is he's just as good as Bud for a hell of alot cheaper. It would be really hard to be worse, unless we brought Jarvis back.

 

[slashsteel]

Do you think Dupree is a high effort player and football smart? A yes or no will suffice.


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He improved last year. So obviously there is some effort there. I would say his problems might be instinctual VS a hard time getting off blocks. But you don't improve being a idiot. I think that should suffice for your answer.

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[Superman]

I think any OLB could come in here and give us .3 sacks a game and 2 tackles a game for a hell of alot cheaper than Dupree, hell Moats did it. How do we know we don't have anyone better than Dupree? Chic barely plays and he has 7 sacks in two seasons, we haven't seen much of Ola, I've seen all I need to see of Dupree, he sucks vs the run, is below average pass rusher, and I've yet to see him make a play in the passing game.
How can't we have someone better or find someone better. I'd rather take a chance on a young guy, whether that's Ola or someone else and maybe get lucky and the guy turns out to be good, the worst that can happen is he's just as good as Bud for a hell of alot cheaper. It would be really hard to be worse, unless we brought Jarvis back.

well, none of them have been able to do better than Bud in practice practice practice, so why would we trust them to do better when **** gets real?

 

[Coryea]

well, none of them have been able to do better than Bud in practice practice practice, so why would we trust them to do better when **** gets real?

No one (supposedly) did better than Artie at practice in 2017 and the first 5 or 6 games of 2018. AB couldn't even crack the starting line up as a WR until what his 3rd year? No one wanted CJ Anderson, he looked pretty good. We'll never know unless they get a chance. And it's not like we're talking about replacing a double digit sack guy.

 

[slashsteel]

No one (supposedly) did better than Artie at practice in 2017 and the first 5 or 6 games of 2018. AB couldn't even crack the starting line up as a WR until what his 3rd year? No one wanted CJ Anderson, he looked pretty good. We'll never know unless they get a chance. And it's not like we're talking about replacing a double digit sack guy.

Artie tailed off in a game, And continued to regress. When it is reverse I think you need to see some steps in practice that show to the coach some improvement. Only they know if they saw that or not. But we can guess no...

 

[slashsteel]

Oh we can mark Brandon Graham off the list of wants, Eagles resigned him to a extension. I believe a 3 year deal.

 

[ark steel]

Oh we can mark Brandon Graham off the list of wants, Eagles resigned him to a extension. I believe a 3 year deal.

$12m-$14m for a guy who had 4 sacks last year. his first 4 years? 11.5

Last 4 years? 25.5. .4 sacks per game over the last 4 years and he gets $12m+. only has one year with more than 6.5 sacks (2017 at 9.5).

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

No one (supposedly) did better than Artie at practice in 2017 and the first 5 or 6 games of 2018. AB couldn't even crack the starting line up as a WR until what his 3rd year? No one wanted CJ Anderson, he looked pretty good. We'll never know unless they get a chance. And it's not like we're talking about replacing a double digit sack guy.

nobody did better than Uncle Jarvis either,, oh and nobody did better than Ziggy hood either... yeah ok.





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[ark steel]

the worst that can happen is he's just as good as Bud for a hell of alot cheaper

Well, the worst that could happen is that he ends up on IR, again, and we don't even have Bud as a backup.

 

[slashsteel]

$12m-$14m for a guy who had 4 sacks last year. his first 4 years? 11.5

Last 4 years? 25.5. .4 sacks per game over the last 4 years and he gets $12m+. only has one year with more than 6.5 sacks (2017 at 9.5).

I did like Graham as a pass rusher but yeah pricey............

 

[F83]

I am fine with 5 years 30 million, if more than Webb his college teammate wwas better option.

 

[swal75]

I don't even super care about this one decision to keep him on the option. But knowing our history of dumb(Starks, Worlids, arguably Bell), this likely means they'll also manage to pick up Artie's option and will Franchise or Transition Bud again next year. So combined those 2 snowball moves will be something like 25m vs the 2020 cap(dont shoot me, I'm estimating right now)

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

$12m-$14m for a guy who had 4 sacks last year. his first 4 years? 11.5

Last 4 years? 25.5. .4 sacks per game over the last 4 years and he gets $12m+. only has one year with more than 6.5 sacks (2017 at 9.5).

Yet another illustration of why you keep Bud for 9 million. Any pass rusher with a pulse costs a lot. Graham is 30 and Bud is only 26.

 

[Coryea]

Yet another illustration of why you keep Bud for 9 million. Any pass rusher with a pulse costs a lot. Graham is 30 and Bud is only 26.

I disagree, any free agent you bring in here is going to put up #'s the same or better than Dupree, especially with Watt on the opposite side, hell I'd be willing to bet any 1st or 2nd round pick would come in and give us 2 tackles per game at a much lower cost.
Just because the Eagles are idiots, we don't have to follow.

 

[ark steel]

I disagree, any free agent you bring in here is going to put up #'s the same or better than Dupree, especially with Watt on the opposite side, hell I'd be willing to bet any 1st or 2nd round pick would come in and give us 2 tackles per game at a much lower cost.
Just because the Eagles are idiots, we don't have to follow.

it isn't just the eagles that are paying that much for somewhat less than stellar results is the point.

in 2015 pernell mcfee got paid $8m, $7.1m in 2016 and 7.2m in 2017. He has never had more than 7.5 sacks in a season. Those seasons, he had 6,4,4.

in 2012, Paul Kruger had 9 sacks. Prior 2 years he had 5.5 and 1. 2013 he gets new contract. $13m in 2013. $7m in each of 2014 and 2015.. 2013 4.5 sacks. 2014 sprung up to 11, 2015, 2.5. 2018 gets paid $3m by NO to produce 1.5 sacks.

"any free agent" will produce the same results is hyperbole. you might find one that does, Unfortunately, in the FA market, you have to pay through the nose for results that just don't justify the pay.

I'm trying to collate some data to see what the salary cap hit has been for 2018 and 2019 for the 2019 sack leaders. I think it will back me up that you are either 1) drafting in the top 15 to get the OLB with more sacks or 2) paying through the nose. Obviously, there are going to be some outliers, like Darius Leonard or even some 3rd and later round draft picks. My expectation is that they are the exception and you can bet your *** their second contract will be high.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

I disagree, any free agent you bring in here is going to put up #'s the same or better than Dupree, especially with Watt on the opposite side, hell I'd be willing to bet any 1st or 2nd round pick would come in and give us 2 tackles per game at a much lower cost.
Just because the Eagles are idiots, we don't have to follow.

Nothing about this Dupree deal stops the steelers from bringing in a free agent or drafting a rookie with a high pick. Ola or a low cost free agent or a rookie will have a shot at unseating Bud.

I think Tomlin learned a lesson with Ziggy and then with Jarvis. He stuck with Ziggy way too long even keeping Cam on the bench to give him playing time. He had a quicker hook on Jarvis and Burns.

If Bud had been healthy for most of his time, I think he would be released like Jarvis because they would have seen enough. BUt the fact he's missed so many games and then played injured for a bunch more, it still makes him a prospect. Again, i feel it's like Sanders.

Pass Rushers are so hard to find. I'd rather give Bid one more shot than let him go a year too soon and see him blossom on a different team.

Plus, even if he does have another mediocre season, then you can probably get him for a good price as a depth player just like Alualu.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Tape, I think your last couple sentences hit it right on the head. Playing healthy for a change, depth, hook all will play into BUD this season. I’m hoping he takes another healthy step up this upcoming season and make our 9+ mil look like a great move.




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[MeanJim]

Stupid move, Steelers. Admit you drafted a bust in the first round (again) and get someone who can play. And fire Tomlin.

 

[mightyguru]

4 years 24 million. Decent signing bonus to get the cap number down quite a bit. I'm no cap specialist obviously.

Bud is not an instinctual player but he could improve.

 

[mightyguru]

Also, there's no interest in Bud...us vs nobody.