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Someone on one of the PG chats today had a good point about Bud. Has Bud ever been worth $9 million on his best day? Then why pay him $9 million for his average day? I couldn't agree more.
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I guess it really comes down to what they could replace Bud without drafting someone. They will virtually have to take a receiver and corner and Ilb in the opening rounds unless they fill the spot via FA. One of the about 5 or 6 things that really pisses me off about Tomlin is that he refuses to really see what he has on his own roster. I would have given Thomas and Ola a hat and a turn in the rotation, because at this point I'd know what Dupree is and he wouldn't be in my long term plans. Now Thomas is gone and you dont have a real clue what Ola is.
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Problem is the drafting party. When they continuously draft sub-par, this is what you get and yaz think........HHhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm not bad. Can they draft better...... it hasn't been shown regularly enough to be proven.
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This is why you take the BAP. You start reaching for players then all of a sudden you have guys like Jones and Bud. If you have a great OLB fall to you then you take them.
He is slightly better than Jarvis but to give 9.2 million to this mediocre talent is just more of the same from Tomlin and Colbert, over valuing their draft picks who never developed under Tomlin's coaching but being too stubborn or stupid to just cut bait. It is never good to overpay mediocre players and radically overpay them in this case.
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i don't think you look at whether Bud is worth 9 million. It all comes down to the steelers need OLB and they have the cap room for this.
What do you do if you get rid of Bud? You have to sign a free agent who is better. Are you going to give Clowney a shitload of money? If you aren't going after a star then Bud is the best option.
This draft has some good OLB prospects. If you draft one, he's on a rookie deal so a rookie + Bud and 9 Million is affordable.
Bud is still young and he's had a bunch of injuries. Last year was his first healthy year and while it wasn't a great season, he was definitely better. If Bud had been healthy each season, I think they would have moved on, but the injuries still make him an unknown.
He's kind of like Emmanuel Sanders. He showed flashes but was never great with the steelers because he missed so much time. When he finally got the injuries behind him, he became a good player.
What do you do if you get rid of Bud? You have to sign a free agent who is better. Are you going to give Clowney a shitload of money? If you aren't going after a star then Bud is the best option.
This draft has some good OLB prospects. If you draft one, he's on a rookie deal so a rookie + Bud and 9 Million is affordable.
Bud is still young and he's had a bunch of injuries. Last year was his first healthy year and while it wasn't a great season, he was definitely better. If Bud had been healthy each season, I think they would have moved on, but the injuries still make him an unknown.
He's kind of like Emmanuel Sanders. He showed flashes but was never great with the steelers because he missed so much time. When he finally got the injuries behind him, he became a good player.
It's not like there will be a FA bidding war for Durpee. Steelers offer say $5,000,000 and Steelers West offer $5,000,001 then you let him walk.
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Would not miss Dupree's rainbow rush.
Clowney isn't going to be available to us under any circumstances. He's getting franchised.
I do think it's fair to consider if Robert Quinn or Justin Houston would be better uses of our money. It's only a matter of time until both are released and neither one is a comp free agent. I'd hope we're legally tampering and at least seeing if either wants to wear black and gold for a contract of 7-8m a year.
I do think it's fair to consider if Robert Quinn or Justin Houston would be better uses of our money. It's only a matter of time until both are released and neither one is a comp free agent. I'd hope we're legally tampering and at least seeing if either wants to wear black and gold for a contract of 7-8m a year.
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Quinn has 4 more sacks over the last four years than Bud. Doesn't seem like he is worth any kind of money. You'd be better off with Bud at $5-$6m. Houston has more, but hasn't played in 16 games in 4 years. only one of those was more than 12 games.
The bigger issue is that if you are going to throw money at that spot (either through FA or overpaying Bud), you have less to throw at an FA CB or ILB which is much more of a need. If you can't get better sack #'s than Bud at $5-$6m (and I doubt you can), you might as well offer him that and keep him. if he doesn't take it, he walks.
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But then you are committed to Bud for multiple years if you offer a new contract. They don’t want to be committed because they are still unsure. They have the cap room now for the 9 million.
The steelers know the free agent market. They know who they will offer and about how much it will cost. This 9 million will not stop them from going after a free agent they want and it won’t stop them signing draft picks.
If Bud doesn’t have a breakout this year, then he could be signed for backup money. His production is good as a backup and that could even be his best use if you draft somebody better. You still need at least 3 good pass rushers so you can keep them fresh. Bud could be good if he’s on the field as a designated rusher and not have to worry about playing the run or pass.
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While I agree Porter just wasn't a coach, T.J. Watt had no problem getting it as a rookie. Bud just isn't the brightest bulb in the Burgh. I find his effort on some plays to be lacking. He's an above average pass rusher, and below average run defender. Not worth the one year deal he's getting, but he gets it due to the difference between him and Chikcillo being very noticeable.
I'd like to see the Steelers take a shot on an OLB in the draft.
So he isn't bright because you don't care for his performance?
Sometimes you are painful to listen to.
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He scored a 13 on the wonderlic Ya think! He's not bight. Listen to the man speak. And he's far from instinctive.
Sometimes you are painful to read because you don't know what you are talking about and make a judgement.
You do know you can be football smart and not have a high wonderlic right?
I know exactly what the **** I am talking about.
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Either way of opinion, Bud is going to play for the STEELERS this upcoming season. I just hope he takes another HEALTHY step forward as he did in 2018m. Bud is not nearly as bad as many here think he is and he is established while knowing the system. Bring in a rookie or a FA and there is a learning curve. Is Bud the end all savior,...... NO but he does allow us to address more important needs.
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Consider who you're asking that question of.
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When players like Bud Dupree get $9 million, I can understand why Bell wanted to more than double the running back market.
Watt has enough natural talent, pedigree, and a high motor if you will, obviously, that he'd be good no matter what. Shazier also to a lesser extent. Defensive players who are good but not great and need to be coached up in order to be successful NFL players will fail miserably here because Shades and his defensive staff don't know WTF they're doing. Obviously.
Ziggy Hood, Jason Worilds, Jarvis Jones, Jarvis Durpee, and every DB drafted since Shades has been here, I'm talking to you.
Different position. And I am sure the Steelers aren't overly loving that. They are kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place. Lack of depth. not a lot of attractive free agent possibilities.
And too many bigger needs to address. As of right now they need a ILBer,CB,WR and arguably a S. And whatever backups leave will need replacements.
They probably think well he did improve, maybe we haven't seen the best of him. And who really knows, maybe they haven't.