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Dupree - buy or sell?

Coryea said:
Ola hasn't had much chance to play, he'd be in the mix, it's hard to say about FA's because you don't know who will be resigned by their current team and who won't be.

My point is you can't keep all your Free Agents that are going to command top dollar, Dupree is going to command top dollar. I think we can all agree Watt is the better player, does everything better, that's the kind of guy you give top FA dollars to.
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Yes. I too want to see what Ola can do over time in the rotation. He got hurt again this week.

You are correct that the FA and cap issue are restrictive. Some folks are pointing to their own perception of his future value. We can all guess at what that number might be, but the market will bear that out if he goes FA. I agree with you, I think the market is going to treat him very well which may well mean we can't afford him. But that is far different than what some are saying is that he isn't worth the money. Someone out there will prove that wrong if he hits FA; I believe he will be in high demand. But, I certainly wouldn't keep him over Watt or Fitzpatrick in the long run, but I would consider him over Hargraves. And I like Gravedigger....one guy I want to see on the field more. I just think he is easier to replace talent wise than an OLB and I also think keeping Dupree and Tuitt together could be a solid duo for years to come. But, yes, it will take some serious accounting magic by KC to make it happen or a serious hometown discount from Dupree.
 
I'd buy Durpee.
We have no one behind him, unless you think Ola will suddenly blossom into a starting caliber OLB.

yeah, you cut Chick. gone, done. You can draft his replacement.

Durpee will be 28 going into next season. I'd sign him to no more than a 4 year contract. Not entirely certain what that would hold, but if we give him a decent guaranteed bonus, he'd likely accept it. Players know that their guaranteed money is their lifeline, not the length or value of the overall contract (unless you're AB and think contracts grow on trees). Look at this list of OLBs. Who are you going to replace Bud with? Keep in mind, they'd have to come in, establish some on/off field relationships with the other players, learn the system...
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/outside-linebacker/

the only name that jumps out is Dante Fowler, Jr. I'd suspect Seattle is likely to re-sign him, though, even if they have a handshake, wink-wink, nudge agreement with Clowney.

But, we are in dire need of a true #1 WR and a work horse RB.
There's no one on this list who is a must-have WR who will command double-teams
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/wide-receiver/

Looking at RBs, there's a few names that pop up, but they all have restrictions and/or questions as well. The #1 name on that list is Derrick Henry, based on age. But, then he has the same situation with Bud - performed "only in a contract year." You can get a Mark Walton or even Jeff Wilson, but they'd come at a cost, as well as risk.

IMO, we should work out a contract with Bud, then target Jonathan Taylor in Round 2 of the draft. If not Taylor, then Najee Harris or Clyde Edwards-Helaire. Someone who can be a 3-down back. I don't believe that's Conner nor is it Samuels. Not sure on Snell.

regarding needing to re-up Haden .... he's 30 and will be 32 heading into the 2021 season. You don't give him a long-term nor big deal. Haden is a moot point in all this. We don't have to address Minkah until after next season - and Heyward will be 31 next season, so he likely isn't going to get a huge nor long-term deal.
 
I'm sorry, but it is very hard to give this guy a full market contract. I think you have to franchise or use another tag on him if you can. See what he is for one more year. Supe, I totally disagree with you that they need a #1 receiver. Juju is a one. They just don't have the pass game right now. And you have strong 2-3 guys in Johnson and Washington.
 
Coryea said:
I haven't seen anything from Vannett, like I said, maybe Mason just can't find the TE, but this is a passing league, we need a receiving threat at TE. From what I've heard/read Vannett is a good blocking TE. What do we do at RB? Conner is in year 3 of 4 of his rookie contract, he can't stay healthy, Samuels is a receiving RB, I don't think he can carry the load.
If Ben is going to be healthy next year, we can't go into next year with Vannett at TE, an RB that can't stay healthy, Snell in year #2.
I'm letting Bud walk, use that money to try to add some pieces to this offense and make a run next season.
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The defense will take a significant step BACK in this scenario. Take your blinders off...
 
Coryea said:
He hasn't been getting better, he's basically been average every year, stayed relatively the same. 4.5 sacks, 4 sacks, 6 sacks, 5.5 sacks. I won't be pissed if we sign him, but you can't blame coaching on one hand, then on the other say he's been getting better every year, that would imply the previous coach was doing his job. Watt had that same coach and has been productive from day 1. I don't put a ton of stock in positional coaches in the NFL. Did Minkah suddenly get coached up in 1 week once he got to Pittsburgh.
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I think you need to look at Peezy - he DID NOT develop Buddy. Let's be openly logical when assessing the situation. Buddy's game started to get better once he was moved from LOLB to ROLB - fact. He also reaped the benefit of having TJ shining AND the production of Tuitt, Hargrave and Heyward.

Credit needs, overall, to go to the coaches that have put him in the right spots to succeed - and those that made the decisions to get rid of the coaches who couldn't develop the talent here.

Methinks, Coach Gay will be the next WR coach, but that's JMO...
 
Superman said:
I'd buy Durpee.
We have no one behind him, unless you think Ola will suddenly blossom into a starting caliber OLB.

yeah, you cut Chick. gone, done. You can draft his replacement.

Durpee will be 28 going into next season. I'd sign him to no more than a 4 year contract. Not entirely certain what that would hold, but if we give him a decent guaranteed bonus, he'd likely accept it. Players know that their guaranteed money is their lifeline, not the length or value of the overall contract (unless you're AB and think contracts grow on trees). Look at this list of OLBs. Who are you going to replace Bud with? Keep in mind, they'd have to come in, establish some on/off field relationships with the other players, learn the system...
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/outside-linebacker/

the only name that jumps out is Dante Fowler, Jr. I'd suspect Seattle is likely to re-sign him, though, even if they have a handshake, wink-wink, nudge agreement with Clowney.

But, we are in dire need of a true #1 WR and a work horse RB.
There's no one on this list who is a must-have WR who will command double-teams
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/wide-receiver/

Looking at RBs, there's a few names that pop up, but they all have restrictions and/or questions as well. The #1 name on that list is Derrick Henry, based on age. But, then he has the same situation with Bud - performed "only in a contract year." You can get a Mark Walton or even Jeff Wilson, but they'd come at a cost, as well as risk.

IMO, we should work out a contract with Bud, then target Jonathan Taylor in Round 2 of the draft. If not Taylor, then Najee Harris or Clyde Edwards-Helaire. Someone who can be a 3-down back. I don't believe that's Conner nor is it Samuels. Not sure on Snell.

regarding needing to re-up Haden .... he's 30 and will be 32 heading into the 2021 season. You don't give him a long-term nor big deal. Haden is a moot point in all this. We don't have to address Minkah until after next season - and Heyward will be 31 next season, so he likely isn't going to get a huge nor long-term deal.
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RB you draft and get the best value. We have two 4th round picks to play with. WR you can also draft with one either a 2nd or the comp 3rd we should get for Bell. No 5th round pick next year.

So to summarize our 2020 draft slots:

No first
2nd round pick
Pending Comp Pick for R3
Two 4th round picks
No 5th
One 6th
One 7th

How are you people replacing Bud Dupree if you let him leave?

How do you also get a RB and WR who can make an impact?

I'd be eager to see us get a better NT next year in the draft as well. We are soft in the middle of our DL.
 
Hines57 said:
I'd be eager to see us get a better NT next year in the draft as well. We are soft in the middle of our DL.
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You can start solving the softness in the middle by ending the 2@3technique DT's as a scheme and put one of them in a 0 or 1 Tech.

Bad:
-------B------B
-V--------V
T-G-C-G-T-E

LG kicks DT out. RG kicks DT. C has free run at B (or run B off by forcing him to cover)

Better:
-------B-----B
--V----V
T-G-C-G-T-E


LG blocks out. OC and RG double 1 Tech. MB stays clean.
 
Hines57 said:
RB you draft and get the best value. We have two 4th round picks to play with. WR you can also draft with one either a 2nd or the comp 3rd we should get for Bell. No 5th round pick next year.

So to summarize our 2020 draft slots:

No first
2nd round pick
Pending Comp Pick for R3
Two 4th round picks
No 5th
One 6th
One 7th

How are you people replacing Bud Dupree if you let him leave?

How do you also get a RB and WR who can make an impact?

I'd be eager to see us get a better NT next year in the draft as well. We are soft in the middle of our DL.
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we could start a new thread regarding depth chart/ draft picks/ cap space for the upcoming 2/3 years. This is the work that Colbert, Khan and the rest of the front office have to do to keep the team competitive year in and year out, I wish I could get paid for doing it
 
SteelerInLebanon said:
I guess the difference in it is I don't see him as a one year wonder. I see him as a player who has always played hard needed time and needed to be used right. Again I thought he did well the last couple of years not great but ok for what they were doing with him. This year he has a real coach(Sorry Joey but you sucked as a coach) and is not being misused. That doesn't make him a one year wonder but it does mean we have had some stupid coaching.
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Agreed. And Dupree is a fitness work out freak. We had a LBer we signed longterm who had a bunch of great years. We handed him the bank and then ....well....he got fat, slow and injury-prone.
 
I'm buying.
 
I'm on the rent to own. You will pay more in the end but you can always take it back in the first year and pay the restock fee.
 
It just depends on how much he wants. If the Steelers find a price they feel they can keep him at, they'll make it happen. They almost always make it happen.

Next year, the big UFAs are Dupree, Davis, and Hargrave. They'll be fine without Davis, which leaves them with Dupree and Hargrave. Dupree began to showcase some of his abilities last year and finally looks like an above average starter this year. Many of us think highly of Hargrave, but the Steelers don't give him a lot of snaps and you'd believe he'd be prime to leave for a starting role.

When you look ahead to 2021, it's a huge year for UFA: Heyward, Villanueva, Foster, Watt, Smith-Schuster, Conner, Sutton, McCullers Watt is an absolutely lock to get a monster deal and you now they'll want to lock up JuJu and Conner. That could be the year we see some movement on the offensive line. I would think Heyward would take a relatively team-friendly deal as well. Some tough decisions coming up, but hopefully a big increase in salary cap.
 
SteelerSask said:
I'm on the rent to own. You will pay more in the end but you can always take it back in the first year and pay the restock fee.
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Thinking more about it, I wouldn't mind if they tagged him and see what he does next year.
 
Steelworth said:
I'm buying.
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SteelerFan448 said:
It just depends on how much he wants. If the Steelers find a price they feel they can keep him at, they'll make it happen. They almost always make it happen.

Next year, the big UFAs are Dupree, Davis, and Hargrave. They'll be fine without Davis, which leaves them with Dupree and Hargrave. Dupree began to showcase some of his abilities last year and finally looks like an above average starter this year. Many of us think highly of Hargrave, but the Steelers don't give him a lot of snaps and you'd believe he'd be prime to leave for a starting role.

When you look ahead to 2021, it's a huge year for UFA: Heyward, Villanueva, Foster, Watt, Smith-Schuster, Conner, Sutton, McCullers Watt is an absolutely lock to get a monster deal and you now they'll want to lock up JuJu and Conner. That could be the year we see some movement on the offensive line. I would think Heyward would take a relatively team-friendly deal as well. Some tough decisions coming up, but hopefully a big increase in salary cap.
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Davis is a walk free agent. Hargrave is also likely a walk free agent. He's a better pass rusher than run stopped, not really the style of our 3-4. Are you forgetting about Hilton?

Heyward you resign unless he regresses in the next year. Big Al, same story. Foster you absolutely must not give another contract to. Time to move on and draft a replacement. Watt gets the Brinks truck treatment. Juju will also get paid. Conner is a walk free agent IMO. Sutton I like but he is replaceable. Big Dan is a walk free agent.

This means we need to have good drafts and sign the right guys in UFA.
 
SteelerFan448 said:
It just depends on how much he wants. If the Steelers find a price they feel they can keep him at, they'll make it happen. They almost always make it happen.

Next year, the big UFAs are Dupree, Davis, and Hargrave. They'll be fine without Davis, which leaves them with Dupree and Hargrave. Dupree began to showcase some of his abilities last year and finally looks like an above average starter this year. Many of us think highly of Hargrave, but the Steelers don't give him a lot of snaps and you'd believe he'd be prime to leave for a starting role.

When you look ahead to 2021, it's a huge year for UFA: Heyward, Villanueva, Foster, Watt, Smith-Schuster, Conner, Sutton, McCullers Watt is an absolutely lock to get a monster deal and you now they'll want to lock up JuJu and Conner. That could be the year we see some movement on the offensive line. I would think Heyward would take a relatively team-friendly deal as well. Some tough decisions coming up, but hopefully a big increase in salary cap.
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key phrase in there is above average starter, that's going to get/want top tier pay. You can't give him that kind of money.
 
kev4heels said:
I'm curious as to how you are getting to 27mil in space.
Unless we do a bunch of restructures and cut 4-5 guys, we aren't touching that figure.
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I never mentioned 27mil in space, not sure where that came from, we aren't close to that.
 
Coryea said:
I never mentioned 27mil in space, not sure where that came from, we aren't close to that.
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Sorry man...I thought the reply was for the gentleman that mentioned it prior to your response.

It was stated earlier in the thread,

I'm like you...I have no idea where that type of space will come from.
 
Love Bud this year...he's bringing it
 
I try to extend him but if he wants too much I tag him. Bud has under performed the majority of his rookie contract but in all that time I don't think I have ever not seen the effort on his part he just wasn't that great. He was more potential than anything coming in to the draft I get the feeling he has just been slow developing and now the switch has been turned. He is obviously benefiting from having TJ on the other side but you have to try and keep him. There is no one behind him and we have enough holes to fill as it is.
 
nooneuno said:
I try to extend him but if he wants too much I tag him. Bud has under performed the majority of his rookie contract but in all that time I don't think I have ever not seen the effort on his part he just wasn't that great. He was more potential than anything coming in to the draft I get the feeling he has just been slow developing and now the switch has been turned. He is obviously benefiting from having TJ on the other side but you have to try and keep him. There is no one behind him and we have enough holes to fill as it is.
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Probably benefited from Peezy's exit as well.

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