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Dri 2.0

I'm just here to see how long this thread goes.
 
antdrewjosh said:
Wow just like old times. All of the old gang is here. I missed you guys. Nothing like a Dri Archer/tomlin sucks thread to get the blood boiling. Rome wasn't built in a day. Dri has time to grow(no pun intended) and learn the game. Not ready to call him a bust by any means. For those saying he was passed up by Harris in the playoff game. He was never drafted to be a every down back so that's not a surprise. If Blount doesn't turn out to be a jackass that point is moot. I hope he can nail down the return duties next year. He sucked at It last year but so did the blocking. Besides a ankle injury he proved he can take a hit and not die on the field also didn't fumble. Hopefully a year in the weight room and experience will benefit him this year and he can make contribution
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yeah, guys! he just needs what, 4...5 more seasons to make his mark? that's all!

Don't be so unreasonable guys, he only needs a half-decade to accumulate halfway respectable stats!

And, wheaton looked awfully decent on returns for the blocking sucking so badly. At least decent compared to Archer
 
Vader said:
The problem is that he can't cover in the passing game. He is also in Shazier's spot. As Shazier gets more playing time Williams will just be a backup.
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I thought when Williams came in Timmons moved over to Shazier's spot and back when Spence came in. Is that not so?
 
ark steel said:
I thought when Williams came in Timmons moved over to Shazier's spot and back when Spence came in. Is that not so?
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That is not so, but Williams did play in passing situations over Shazier and Spence by the end of the year.
 
Vader said:
I don't remember that.
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Ok. I thought I noticed him lined up completely differently on a few plays in one game, then reading an article later stating that. I will see if I can find the article, if it exists.
 
ark steel said:
I thought when Williams came in Timmons moved over to Shazier's spot and back when Spence came in. Is that not so?
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In an article published Dec. 19, 2014, Ed B of the "paper that shall remain nameless" makes note of exactly what you are talking about. He states that when Shazier was hurt in the third game, Timmons began rotating between the two spots in certain games. Williams would be brought in to play the buck and when Williams was switched out for Spence, Spence played the mack.

Edit: I note the use of the term "in certain games" to mean it was not always like this, but it did happen.
 
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SteelBuckeye said:
In an article published Dec. 19, 2014, Ed B of the "paper that shall remain nameless" makes note of exactly what you are talking about. He states that when Shazier was hurt in the third game, Timmons began rotating between the two spots in certain games. Williams would be brought in to play the buck and when Williams was switched out for Spence, Spence played the mack.

Edit: I note the use of the term "in certain games" to mean it was not always like this, but it did happen.
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That must have been it. I thought it was a BTSC article, but could not find it there. Thanks.
 
ark steel said:
That must have been it. I thought it was a BTSC article, but could not find it there. Thanks.
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I don't remember it but it could have happened. One of the problems is that a lot of people think that the RILB and the LILB are the same as the buck and mac. They are not. The buck can line up on the right side if the offensive formation is heavy right. So sometimes I think people believe they are changing position when they aren't, they are just moving to where the offense is dictating it.

I'm sure Ed. B knows that so maybe it happened a few times this year. My point was that Williams doesn't have a position with Timmons and Shazier starting.
 
Vader said:
I don't remember it but it could have happened. One of the problems is that a lot of people think that the RILB and the LILB are the same as the buck and mac. They are not. The buck can line up on the right side if the offensive formation is heavy right. So sometimes I think people believe they are changing position when they aren't, they are just moving to where the offense is dictating it. I'm sure Ed. B knows that so maybe it happened a few times this year.
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Likely what was happening when I noticed it, but I don't even remember which game it was, and I certainly didn't go back and analyze what was going on. Later is when I saw the article. I took the article at face value and what he was saying makes sense.

Vader said:
My point was that Williams doesn't have a position with Timmons and Shazier starting.
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That is correct. When looking for the other article, there was an BTSC article about Timmons being a cap casualty for 2016. Pure conjecture, but, indeed, possible.

http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.co...ence-timmons-a-potential-cap-casualty-in-2016
 
Omar10213245 said:
yeah, guys! he just needs what, 4...5 more seasons to make his mark? that's all!

Don't be so unreasonable guys, he only needs a half-decade to accumulate halfway respectable stats!

And, wheaton looked awfully decent on returns for the blocking sucking so badly. At least decent compared to Archer
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How did Blount look who immediately replaced archer? Blount had great success returning kicks in NE. Your right Wheaton looked decent. Hardly out of this world. I'm sure there were articles talking about the blocking on special teams being subpar.
 
ark steel said:
That is correct. When looking for the other article, there was an BTSC article about Timmons being a cap casualty for 2016. Pure conjecture, but, indeed, possible.

http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.co...ence-timmons-a-potential-cap-casualty-in-2016
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It's speculation on their part but I don't agree with it. They aren't going to cut Timmons to save a few bucks IMHO. Williams and Spence gives them solid backups and Shazier is unproven and has been injured already. I don't see them letting Timmons go if it hurts their depth at the only position on the entire defense where they have any.
 
Timmons is a bust, are you ******* all noobs?

Joe
 
Hanratty said:
Blount only returned 5 but did much better than the midget. Of course Archer has horrible vision which kills the poor blocking argument, funny how when they supposedly fixed the blocking they still would not put the midget back there, they saw in practice what we all know, he is a poor return man.
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Blount did not look alot better. which is why the switch to Wheaton took place.




Mike Tomlin: Steelers still have high hopes for Dri Archer
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Dri Archer managed just 63 rushing and receiving yards combined last season. He also lost his job as the Pittsburgh Steelers' primary kickoff returner after averaging just 17.9 yards per return -- more than 13 yards less than Cincinnati's Adam Jones, who led the NFL in kickoff return average.

Archer, the fastest player on the Steelers, failed to add a dynamic to the offense or a special-teams unit that finished 27th in the NFL last season in kickoff returns.

But if Mike Tomlin was discouraged by what he saw after the Steelers used a third-round pick last year on Archer, he did a heck of a job of hiding it at the NFL owners meetings.

"I am excited for what 2015 could be for him," the eighth-year coach said earlier this week in Phoenix. "I have a reasonable expectation that he's going to grow in all areas and be a productive player for us. Guys like him usually do that. He is a good guy. He is a smart guy. He is hard working. He has all the variables that usually produce a positive outcome. We are going to give him an opportunity to do it."

What stands out regarding Tomlin's optimism when it comes to Archer: He did not reference the 5-8, 173-pounder's world-class speed or any other physical attributes. Instead, Tomlin talked about what he saw from Archer last season on a daily basis and mostly behind closed doors.

Not that the right approach or a strong work ethic translates into success at the highest level of football. Nor will an increased comfort level in his second NFL season answer questions about whether Archer is big enough -- and whether the Kent State product can carve out a role in an offense that is loaded at the skill positions.

The most logical starting point for Archer to make an impact is on special teams, and Tomlin said he will be given a chance to reclaim his job as the Steelers' No. 1 kickoff returner. Archer will also be given a long look as a punt returner, Tomlin said.

"He didn't have as much success as he would have liked [last season] and we would have liked for him to have," Tomlin said. "So we are obviously going to give him an opportunity to have a horse in that race again. [Returning kicks] was one of the things that attracted us to him in the draft. It's on his resume. And I am sure he is excited about having an opportunity to be a field flipper for us in that area."
 
Hanratty said:
Coach drivel from Tomlin, did you expect him to come out and say how horrible he was and did NOTHING to warrant his wasted 3rd round selection ?

. We replaced Archer with the slowest returner in the NFL which disproves your theory of bad blocking being the cause do Archer's horrible performance, he NEVER got a kick off return back to even the 20, he continually ran into the backs of his own blockers. You take out Archers horrible return a average and we are in the middle of the pack in kick return average in a category that is increasingly unimportant in the NFL. There are reports that the Steelers are looking to upgrade their return men not good news for a midget without a position.
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pretty sure i said he sucked at it last year. I said it wasnt all him. Blount who was a very productive KO returner also looked bad. blocking or lack of blocking was also a factor
 
antdrewjosh said:
http://triblive.com/sports/steelers/6915251-74/teams-special-steelers#axzz3Vho6KPO1

http://www.Invalid Link - Check SN ...heaton-latest-candidate-kick-return-roulette/

http://www.Invalid Link - Check SN ...dri-archer-legarrette-blount-kickoff-returns/


Of course this all Coach speak and Hanratty knows more then these guys
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Maybe Hanratty doesn't "know more," as in your eyes no one could know what a football coach knows, but some of us take what we hear from coaches/players/reporters with a grain of salt. For us, it's just hard to believe everything they claim with sheer, unquestioned certainty. That coaches/players/reporters are devoted to getting The Facts to the public and have no reason to hold on to the truth.
 
Idioteque said:
Maybe Hanratty doesn't "know more," as in your eyes no one could know what a football coach knows, but some of us take what we hear from coaches/players/reporters with a grain of salt. For us, it's just hard to believe everything they claim with sheer, unquestioned certainty. That coaches/players/reporters are devoted to getting The Facts to the public and have no reason to hold on to the truth.
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hey Idiot long time hope all is well
 
Idioteque said:
Maybe Hanratty doesn't "know more," as in your eyes no one could know what a football coach knows, but some of us take what we hear from coaches/players/reporters with a grain of salt. For us, it's just hard to believe everything they claim with sheer, unquestioned certainty. That coaches/players/reporters are devoted to getting The Facts to the public and have no reason to hold on to the truth.
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Most people pick and choose what to believe. When it fits their argument the poster will like what every player, coach or media member has to say. They will quote them word for word. I'm sure most on here have done that at least one time or another.
 
or you could want a bigger guy who may not be as susceptible to fumble/injury due to having the opposition's entire 11-man team hitting him.
or you could have a guy who's bitching for more playing time, so you figure a way to do that.
or you could ... we can do this all night long. well, not you.
 
dude, we've let you back here how many times? you consistently fail, but want to run Dri out of town?
**** off
 
Hanratty said:
I could give a **** what they do with Dri, HIS PLAY is going to drive him out of town not a random internet poster who knows he sucks and was a wasted pick. His inability to see the field on returns shows what the coaching staff thinks of his mediocre skills.. .
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so if you're so indifferent towards Dri, why are you posting?

oh, you mean you couldn't give a ****. carry on, then, Par.
 
Even an above average return man isn't worth a 3rd round pick.

The fact Tomlin discusses Archer in those terms shows his lack of draft pick value understanding.

I could give a flying **** about a few yards per return yet somehow it's a ******* obsession with Tombert. Goes all the way back to picking Sepulveda in their first draft together.

Dopes.
 
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