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Do we have Pat penis envy?(or does POP just like the taste of Brady's balls)

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This makes the Patriots an extremely rare case in a statistical sense.

In Figure 4 we can see that the 70% range, which is represented by the two thin lines in the middle, covers 75% (25 teams) of all NFL teams. The 95% range is represented by the two thick lines and covers almost all NFL teams except the Patriots and the Rams (the very bottom dot). This indicates “that the Patriots’ margin of victory is quite often better than Vegas betting lines were predicting. The average NFL performance against the spread being so close to zero indicates that generally speaking, the Vegas spreads are very close to the true outcomes. Except in the case of the New England Patriots; their ATS +38 is almost three standard deviations away from the average 0.34. That means the ATS of the Patriots is an extreme outlier in a statistical sense.

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End of Dr. Miao Zang’s Study

It should be noted that against the spread and home win loss records, measured earlier, have little relationship to one another. Why is that? Firstly this ATS study is measuring home and away games, effectively doubling the measured data sample. Secondly, the Vegas lines are adjusted higher to give the Patriots’ opponents more points when they are playing at the Patriots’ home field. The New England Patriots’ ability to play especially well at home is a known fact to bettors and Vegas line setters. Once again a different data point leads to the New England Patriots being an extreme outlier—interesting.

To get expert commentary on the against the spread results, I turned to the foremost authority on gambling and sports betting in the USA.

Wayne Allyn Root is the most honored sports gambling prognosticator in the world. He has been selling his services to sports bettors for over twenty-five years.
His books include:

Betting to Win on Sports
The Zen of Gambling: the Ultimate Guide to Risking It All
The King of Vegas’ Guide to Gambling

Read what others have written about Wayne Root.

“Wayne’s the king of handicappers…he’s the Warren Buffett of his world.”—James J. Cramer, CNBC Host of Mad Money

“Wayne Allyn Root is The Face of Las Vegas Gaming…. [Wayne] has built a talent for picking football winners into a TV sports prognosticating empire.”—Las Vegas Sun

“Wayne Allyn Root is perhaps the leading sports handicapper in the country…. Root has made a fortune…with a business that looks and feels like a brokerage house, Vegas-style. It’s Wall Street versus Wayne’s Street!”—CNBC Profile on Wayne Allyn Root

“The Odds King of Las Vegas.”—Bill Griffith, CNBC Host”

“Wayne Allyn Root is an American gambling “legend.”—John O’Reilly, Managing Director Ladbrokes.com, the World’s Largest Legal Bookmaker

“The Benjamin Graham of Gambling.”—Fortune Magazine​

My interview with Wayne Allyn Root occurred on January 25, 2012:

O’Leary: Why is it difficult for good teams to consistently beat the spread?

Root: If they [sports books] don’t add more points to an underdog’s line, they can’t get enough people to take that underdog and even out the betting. People are afraid of underdogs, which is why the average NFL team doesn’t win more against the spread, the lines are too high. They [NFL teams] cannot beat the adjusted spreads on a regular basis. That makes underdogs a great bet for the bettor, as they are getting more points than they should. Some lines seem reasonable to both sides and very small lines don’t move very much.

O’Leary: What factors are taken into consideration when setting the spreads?

Root: The line setters argue amongst themselves about strength of defense, a team’s performance on grass versus artificial turf, recent wins, coaching, etc. As a team wins and covers one week, they are adjusted up each week. If the line starts at -7, public perception might bump it up to -8.5.

O’Leary: The Patriots have been beating the Vegas line by an average of 3.5 games per year over the last eleven years. They are +38 games during that span of time. Have you ever seen any team consistently beat the bookies like this?

Root: No, it should be impossible. Not in my lifetime. Maybe back in the 50’s, Packers “and Colts era.


O’Leary: How long have you been picking games for clients? When you say, not in my lifetime, what does that mean?

Root: I have been in this business for over 26 years.

O’Leary: Were you aware that the Patriots had such an amazing record of beating the spreads?

Root: I have lost a lot of money in my life betting against Brady. We knew we were getting beat by the guys in Boston. I knew that when I bet against Brady, I have been beat a lot, but I didn’t know it was that bad.

O’Leary: How is it that you were not aware of these statistics?

Root: Because my business moves too fast, the teams change every year, what they [Patriots] did three years ago has no bearing on my pick next week. You see what I mean, I don’t have any use for ten years of data.

O’Leary: Why is this kind of success against the betting line so hard to believe; why should it be impossible?

Root: Theoretically, odds makers are supposed to take that into account, when a team is beating spreads. If the public is always betting on New England, “the spreads should have been jacked up to counteract that [making spreads even higher] so it’s surprising to hear that it was that high [number of covers], wow, unbelievable. It could be some of the cheating.

O’Leary: Have you ever seen this many covered bets in any other sport?

Root: No, I have not.


O’Leary: When you heard about the Spygate system in 2007, did you think back on all the “bets you lost against the Patriots and say, “That’s how the Patriots were killing us! They were cheating!

Root: I have always been a New York cynical guy but I guess I am being a little naive on this one; if people asked me, “Is this cheating?” I would say, “No it’s not, Brady is just great, Belichick is just great.” But now that I look at the numbers, we’ve proven they have cheated [Spygate incident] and I guess they could be still doing it. Historically we have not seen this [consistently beating spreads] ever.

O’Leary: Do you want to go on the record with your Super Bowl pick this year?

Root: Never in history have we had a Super Bowl team with such a crappy defense [Patriots]. They [Patriots] had the worst defense in football and somehow they went 7-1 at home. The Giants are the pick; they have a much better defense and are getting points. I did the same with the New Orleans Saints over the Indianapolis Colts two years ago and my clients won a lot of money. The better defense usually wins in big postseason games. I am going with the Giants, but now you are making me nervous. (Laughing)

Carry your one post on elsewhere.
 
If by betting on the Patriots you can beat Vegas, go right ahead.

It's possible so many bettors HATE the Patriots enough that even though they beat the spread more often than most teams, Vegas is still making money on them because 66% of the money is going against them.

I am sure Vegas wouldn't allow that easily recognizable outlier exist unless it wasn't costing them any money.
 
If by betting on the Patriots you can beat Vegas, go right ahead.

It's possible so many bettors HATE the Patriots enough that even though they beat the spread more often than most teams, Vegas is still making money on them because 66% of the money is going against them.

I am sure Vegas wouldn't allow that easily recognizable outlier exist unless it wasn't costing them any money.

The point of the chapter isn't to advise people how to bet. It's to point out how what they do makes no common sense. As do several of the other chapters in the book, statistically speaking.

If you read the entire post, you'll see that Vegas swings points to even out money on both sides so they don't take a bath. They don't typically allow a situation to go 66% bets on one team, 34% on another. They want the bets as evenly placed as possible so they protect themselves. Thus the shifting and moving points.

Vegas tries not to allow any team to consistently beat them. That's the point. But somehow the *Patriots are the only team on the planet that ever has done so consistently.
 
Carry your one post on elsewhere.

Based on that crap? Get real. If you actually know statistics like you claim you can look at those graphs and see for yourself that there are two other teams right there next to the Patriots. That alone disqualifies them as an "outlier".

Go grab more tinfoil and make a bigger hat. Outlier indeed. I got to know did you get a D or a F in that statistics class?
 
The point of the chapter isn't to advise people how to bet. It's to point out how what they do makes no common sense. As do several of the other chapters in the book, statistically speaking.

If you read the entire post, you'll see that Vegas swings points to even out money on both sides so they don't take a bath. They don't typically allow a situation to go 66% bets on one team, 34% on another. They want the bets as evenly placed as possible so they protect themselves. Thus the shifting and moving points.

Vegas tries not to allow any team to consistently beat them. That's the point. But somehow the *Patriots are the only team on the planet that ever has done so consistently.

That's on Vegas - Not the Patriots. It offers no proof, only innuendo the weak of mind believe. Lemme guess, you are a 9/11 truther too, right?
 
Common sense says your team is bullshit. It says it's been bullshit since Billicheat came in.
 
Its funny how Cheatriots fans cant just enjoy the win. Do you suppose its because they know the truth of it?
 
I have no respect whatsoever for that entire organization. ZERO. Nothing. It's bullshit and most of the NFL think your bullshit as well. A lot of our former players think your bullshit too. But hey enjoy your false glory. All things come to an end and even cheaters eventually get busted no matter how clever they think they are. Just ask Lance Armstrong.
 
This is odd, I believe the last time we had Pats trolls around here was, oh, when was that? Oh, that's right, the LAST time they won the SuperBowl. Not to worry, we'll only have em for a year.

Joe
 
Penis Envy because they're such big dicks?
 
Based on that crap? Get real. If you actually know statistics like you claim you can look at those graphs and see for yourself that there are two other teams right there next to the Patriots. That alone disqualifies them as an "outlier".

Go grab more tinfoil and make a bigger hat. Outlier indeed. I got to know did you get a D or a F in that statistics class?

Thank you for establishing that you have no clue what an outlier is.

If you want to attempt to refute the statistics, do so.
 
That's on Vegas - Not the Patriots. It offers no proof, only innuendo the weak of mind believe. Lemme guess, you are a 9/11 truther too, right?

One guess, 100% guarantee I'm right.

You didn't even read Chapter 12.

Why are *Patriot fans typically such morons?
 

It's weird, but when the 49ers were on top, people hated the champ, but nothing like the *Patriots. Same for the Cowboys, or Steelers.

There is a reason the *Patriots are so reviled - the most hated team on the planet.

Since 2000, the # of complaints for rules violations lodged with NFL offices is 10-fold greater than any team in the NFL. This is a team that perpetually works to bend and break the rules.

Simple fact in life...the majority of humans don't like people/organizations that cheat.

It's really that simple.
 
I guess chowder and having a really annoying accent clouds the brain when it comes to history. The paterisks**** are a fabrication.
 
And now they just want it to "go away."

I honestly think they expected everyone to sort of just shuffle off and assume the **'s actually WON something.

What were they thinking? I mean really? How on EARTH did they think anybody was going to just forget about the **'s utter inability to compete at any level without trying to cheat somehow?
 
The pats**** are the Lance Armstrongs of football. I've been saying this for 13 years that NFL is either turning a blind eye to what is clearly cheating or the playoffs themselves are bullshit across the board. They pats*** do it with a bunch of scrubs which just makes me think it's all bullshit.Don't give me that tom brady is great bullshit. Tons of teams have qb's who can throw 5 yard passes on target and have a decent te&wr's.I just want the whole truth out.The fans who pay good money deserve to know.
 
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