Deflategate Investigation: Complete ... Awaiting Report.

[CorpusDsteelers]

I wonder how come this wasn't noticed sooner? Isn't the ball placed on the line of scrimmage after each play by an official?

I know when my balls and low not normally in the colder months.
Just putting it out there.
I remember a punter we had would dribble the ball behind the sidelines all game long
Who was that?

 

[madinsomniac]

Top ten reasons Brady shouldn't get suspended...

10. Robert Kraft pays good money to the league to get a pass on this.

9. Tom buys all his teammates Uggs every season...and has a scarf collection... does that really sound like a guy who wants to deflate balls?

8. Brady getting suspended would make Gronk sad... and no one wants a sad gronk

7. Tom Brady often had his balls deflated by two men... nobody ever cared before

6. The Pats haven't got much name-brand talent...ESPN wouldn't know who to blow the first week of the season. Everyone cant suck of gronk at once...... it would be confusing

5. Brady didn't get suspended when he used stolen playcalls to win multiple superbowls... you are really telling me that shorting a football a few PSi is worse than that?

4. The refs really might have been out to "get" him... after all he was touched at least three times in that game without a penalty called against the D...

3. Apparently everyone cheats all the time, which makes it perfectly fine to do... Heck if the Ravens were involved they probably would have murdered the refs to get to the balls. in comparison, Brady is a saint!

2. When you cheat that much in that many ways, its hard to remember what is legal and what isn't...

and
1. He is Tom ******* Brady... the rules never applied to him before... why start now?

 

[keslerclan]

My 10 year old did an experiment for science class on Deflate-Gate. Made it to the regionals where he received an honorable mention.

What we found was interesting:

We used 4 different ball sizes (2 were the same, exactly)

We filled them to designated pressure of 7-9# (we chose 9#)

We stuck them in a refrigerator for an hour, then took them out and measured them. They all lost pressure. (about 1-1.5#) BUT after 15 minutes at room temperature, they all gained back most of the pressure they had lost. (80%) on average. It didn't matter if we got them wet before cooling them in the fridge. Same basic drop in pressure occurred when immediately measured BUT the pressure rose quickly again after 10-15 minutes in room temperature setting (70 degrees).

So our little experiment (without getting into "ideal gas laws" or addition of atmospheric pressures to attain an "absolute pressure") achieved one strange result: While the temperature changed the ball pressure, it bounced back to it's original pressure within a short (half-time short) period of time.

 

[Chiba]

more fallout - ESPN fired Bill Simmons when he went on the Dan show and blasted Lord Goodell


Simmons was more or less fired followed a Thursday appearance on The Dan Patrick Show. Simmons, brought on to discuss the New England Patriots’ ball-deflation scandal, used his airtime to cut a promo blasting NFL commissioner Roger Goodell

I think it’s pathetic. Roger Goodell has handled so many things so poorly that it’s reached a point now where you have something like this, where it’s taken four months to release the report, and he knew everything that was in it. He knows the results before the report is released to the public, and yet doesn’t have the testicular fortitude to do anything about it until he gauges the public reaction.

http://deadspin.com/bill-simmons-cribbing-an-old-wwe-catchphrase-was-the-la-1703247060

Where's the SN button to send Simmons Karma?

 

[Superman]

fyi -

http://yourteamcheats.com/cheaters/

 

[madinsomniac]

fyi -

http://yourteamcheats.com/cheaters/

yeah they sure are trying hard to make it ok to cheat, huh?

 

[Wingman]

I thought in order to cheat one needed to do something that was at least against the rules. Steroids in the 70s when they were not prohibited until the 90s?

 

[bermudasteel]

Troy Vincent needs to put his foot on the gas - it is shameful that "not a peep" has come from the NFL front offices on this topic YET!!! Ben was already standing at the gallows by now...

 

[madinsomniac]

I thought in order to cheat one needed to do something that was at least against the rules. Steroids in the 70s when they were not prohibited until the 90s?

People are too sheeplike and stupid to understand that. It wasnt on the federal banned list till 89 or 90, and it wasnt on the NFL's list till 91... and the substance was first used in 63 by the chargers... so by the 80's most everyone was dabbling until the health risks became public knowledge.

 

[madinsomniac]

Troy Vincent needs to put his foot on the gas - it is shameful that "not a peep" has come from the NFL front offices on this topic YET!!! Ben was already standing at the gallows by now...

I think they were hoping for a public outrage over his suspension so they could walk around it... Simmons was right, they do use public opinion to dole out punishment or ignore stuff

 

[wig]

To my knowledge the Pats have never turned themselves in.

That's comedy GOLD Jerry!

 

[deljzc]

As I've stated before (even when I was defending them), the measurements don't make sense. PFT had an article on the strange inaccuracies of the gauges used:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/10/pressure-gauge-discrepancies-undermine-wells-report/

The issue here is NOT the measurements (which are confusing as hell and don't make a lick of sense).

What is the smoking gun is the text messages and the amount of conversation Brady had with the ball boys immediately after the story broke. The fact they specifically talk about a "needle" and using said needle to alter the balls after the referee's inspection and/or during the games is illegal. Plain and simple.

I have long defended that a team can tell the refs prior to the game "we want the balls at 12.5 psi" (low end of the scale). And I would even defend a few coming a tick or two under when turning the balls over to the referees and telling them "If any are low, just pump them up to 12.5".

And what happens after that due to nature is fine (and many, many times in cold weather the balls will drop way below 12.5 psi).

What is clearly illegal and what should be severely punished is letting air out of the balls. That is a HUGE no-no in my book and should be strongly punished. I could care less why or how the Patriots were caught. I could care less how many other teams are doing it (and I'm sure many are/were). The point now is the Patriots got caught and that they are a repeat offender of bending/breaking the rules.

Again:

Patriots/Kraft: fined $5 million
Belichick: fined $500,000.00
Patriots Team: Sacrifice 2016 first round pick
Brady: suspended 2 games
Ball Boys: banned for life

 

[stillwright]

As I've stated before (even when I was defending them), the measurements don't make sense. PFT had an article on the strange inaccuracies of the gauges used:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/10/pressure-gauge-discrepancies-undermine-wells-report/

The issue here is NOT the measurements (which are confusing as hell and don't make a lick of sense).

What is the smoking gun is the text messages and the amount of conversation Brady had with the ball boys immediately after the story broke. The fact they specifically talk about a "needle" and using said needle to alter the balls after the referee's inspection and/or during the games is illegal. Plain and simple.

I have long defended that a team can tell the refs prior to the game "we want the balls at 12.5 psi" (low end of the scale). And I would even defend a few coming a tick or two under when turning the balls over to the referees and telling them "If any are low, just pump them up to 12.5".

And what happens after that due to nature is fine (and many, many times in cold weather the balls will drop way below 12.5 psi).

What is clearly illegal and what should be severely punished is letting air out of the balls. That is a HUGE no-no in my book and should be strongly punished. I could care less why or how the Patriots were caught. I could care less how many other teams are doing it (and I'm sure many are/were). The point now is the Patriots got caught and that they are a repeat offender of bending/breaking the rules.

Again:

Patriots/Kraft: fined $5 million
Belichick: fined $500,000.00
Patriots Team: Sacrifice 2016 first round pick
Brady: suspended 2 games
Ball Boys: banned for life

Well they(the ball boys) were just doing what the immortal Brady asked them to do.....Why so hard on them but you only want a 2 game suspension for Brady. Also NO's HC gets a year for bounty gate but Belichick only gets 500K fine? I think they will trade this for a ring every time. In my opinion you have to make it so no one will want to do it moving forward. The punishment you offer does little to deter any future illegal activity.

 

[Wingman]

As I've stated before (even when I was defending them), the measurements don't make sense. PFT had an article on the strange inaccuracies of the gauges used:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/10/pressure-gauge-discrepancies-undermine-wells-report/

The issue here is NOT the measurements (which are confusing as hell and don't make a lick of sense).

What is the smoking gun is the text messages and the amount of conversation Brady had with the ball boys immediately after the story broke. The fact they specifically talk about a "needle" and using said needle to alter the balls after the referee's inspection and/or during the games is illegal. Plain and simple.

I have long defended that a team can tell the refs prior to the game "we want the balls at 12.5 psi" (low end of the scale). And I would even defend a few coming a tick or two under when turning the balls over to the referees and telling them "If any are low, just pump them up to 12.5".

And what happens after that due to nature is fine (and many, many times in cold weather the balls will drop way below 12.5 psi).
But it did not happen to the Balls the colts were using so that argument does not have any merit at all, unless the weather was radically different on the other side of the field.

What is clearly illegal and what should be severely punished is letting air out of the balls. That is a HUGE no-no in my book and should be strongly punished. I could care less why or how the Patriots were caught. I could care less how many other teams are doing it (and I'm sure many are/were). The point now is the Patriots got caught and that they are a repeat offender of bending/breaking the rules.

Again:

Patriots/Kraft: fined $5 million
Belichick: fined $500,000.00
Patriots Team: Sacrifice 2016 first round pick
Brady: suspended 2 games
Ball Boys: banned for life

Why scape goat the ball boys. They were not the ones with all the big benefits from this action. Their ban should not be greater than bradys* or even as much!
brady* minimum one year lifetime would be better can no longer be associated with the NFL game of football ineligible for hall of fame
Team stripped of all trophies for a history of cheating not just Lombardi.

 

[Troglodyte]

Brady: suspended 2 games
Ball Boys: banned for life

You've got to be kidding!

The ball boys did what did at the direction of Brady.

That's like after a mob sting, sentencing low level mobsters to life in prison and the mob boss to two years.

 

[Vader]

Both Brady and Belicheat should get a year suspension with huge fines. The reason is that's what the NFL did to Peyton. Ignorance is no excuse and the NFL knows that Brady knew about it. He refused to corporate with the investigation so he gets at least a year.

 

[SteelerFan448]

BOOM!

Adam SchefterVerified account
‏@AdamSchefter
Filed to ESPN: Tom Brady suspended four games, Pats lose 1st round pick in 2016 and a 4th in 2017, and team fined $1 million, per source:

 

[Xc944]

He should have gotten 6 minimum

 

[Gareth]

Yep, just got that update on my phone.

 

[TDX27]

I'll take 4 games as long as they don't reduce on appeal.

 

[Gareth]

I'm not impressed with no punishment for Darth Hoodie...

 

[stillwright]

BOOM!

Adam SchefterVerified account
‏@AdamSchefter
Filed to ESPN: Tom Brady suspended four games, Pats lose 1st round pick in 2016 and a 4th in 2017, and team fined $1 million, per source:

I think they will take it for the ring they got in return. Just another slap on the wrist.

 

[Troglodyte]

If I'm the equipment managers, I'm contacting writers to pen my book and ******* Tom Brady, the Patriots and the NFL.

 

[wig]

What about B*ll*ch*ck?

Ignorance is no excuse? Right Rog? This is the 2nd time he's been caught up in a cheating scandal and yet NO penalty on the coach?

 

[Troglodyte]

****** NFL Network spin:

Jimmy Garofalo starting the opener only adds to the intrigue.

Yeah, right!