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Cowboys Offered First Round Pick to Steelers

Well, Howard isn't a weak tackler and has two good years of production. Burns only had one.

Very few corners are NFL ready out of the gate. Bruns is ever rawer if you want the facts.

" He used his NFL-sized frame to make 93 tackles as well as led the team in interceptions (four in 2014, five in 2015) and pass breakups (13, 10) in both years " -Howard.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/xavien-howard?id=2555539

PRO DAY RESULTS for Howard.
40-yard dash: 4.41 seconds
Vertical: 38 1/2 inches
Broad jump: 10 feet, 5 inches
3-cone: 6.94 seconds



Pro day and combine results for Burns
40-yard dash: 4.46
Short shuttle: 4.3 seconds
3-cone: 6.96 seconds
Vertical: 33 inches
Broad: 10 feet, 4 inches
Bench: 7 reps of 225 pounds

>>>So Howard has better production and work out numbers. I'm not saying he will be better than Burns. I will say they went close enough to each other int he draft and if I can get a first round pick for moving down a few spots and taking Howard, I'm doing it.

Yeah, IF it was offered. This was all speculation and has seemingly been put to rest. This offer was not on the table. Tombert can't be stupid for passing on a make-believe trade, can they?
 
Yeah, IF it was offered. This was all speculation and has seemingly been put to rest. This offer was not on the table. Tombert can't be stupid for passing on a make-believe trade, can they?

Well of course he can, as long as it makes him look bad....truth be damned!
 
Dallas will be picking before pick #25 next year. The defense is terrible and Romo is injury prone. So I'll take two #1's picks, over our pick #25. Moron move by Colbert . Should have done it We could have taken Howard, who is more proven than Burns, and a safer pick even if he lacked the top-end upside.

Considering Dallas didn't offer a first, why is this even being discussed?
 
The hype surrounding the draft is that "you have to go deep" and get a bunch of players in the later rounds. Not true. You can fill up your depth with those guys, but the most successful teams in the league are the ones who DO NOT MISS in the 1st round. Yeah, you can find quality guys in the 2nd and 3rd rounds and those can be difference makers, but when you look at the teams that are LOADED with talent, almost every time, those are 1st rounders.

Look at what the Steelers had on their roster in SuperBowl XL: Roethlisberger, Miller, Polamalu, Hampton, Bettis, Faneca, Hartings, Farrior...all first round draft picks.
In SuperBowl XLIII it was even better: Roethlisberger, Miller, Polamalu, Leftwich, Holmes, Hampton, Simmons, Farrior, Timmons...all first round picks

Now, Farrior, Bettis and Leftwich were not drafted by the Steelers, but the point is when you have that many 1st rounders on your team, you're going to be damn good. I did an analysis a few years ago and determined that the Steelers had not missed on a 1st rounder in a long time. Even Plaxico Burress wasn't a miss...he just wasn't on the Super Bowl teams.
 
Yeah, IF it was offered. This was all speculation and has seemingly been put to rest. This offer was not on the table. Tombert can't be stupid for passing on a make-believe trade, can they?

Was it offered or not?
 
Coach, at the end of the day all that matters (to me, at least) is that the Steelers' eval had Burns and WJIII neck and neck with almost identical first round grades. A beat reporter from the paper that shall remain unnamed confirmed that in a chat yesterday. Overall, they had WJIII ahead of Burns by just a hair. In certain areas they liked Burns better, in other areas it was WJIII. Given the choice, they would have picked WJIII, but the two players were so close that it didn't matter to them. It was a draw. They knew they would get one or the other. That's why they didn't hesitate when WJIII went off the board, they knew who they were going to pick in an instant. Since it didn't occur to them for even a millisecond to not make the pick, that tells me the other corners - like Xavien Howard - were nowhere near the rankings they had for Burns/WJIII. They wanted a top-notch corner, they got a top-notch corner. We've been bitching for years about the Steelers settling for middling talent, they finally step up to the plate and grab a blue chip corner... and we're still bitching.

Tibs,

I have an advantage as I see UM games live. I'm friends with a big time booster and have seen Burns play. He has next to no technique and very little awareness in zone. He's an athlete playing corner, who's fast and a playmaker, but weak vs the run, and a bit flag prone.

He looks like a promising freshman or sophomore who really could have used another year in college. Unless your Rod Woodson, you are going to need technique. The Steelers loved Gilbert a while back. The guy has no clue how to play. Burns is very much in the same boat.

I'd really like to see his Wonderlic score as the low score types tend to be slow to adapt. Years back Dallas took Clayborne with the 4th pick as CB. The guys score was low but man did he test well and pass the eyes test. He busted.

A very risky pick and the Steelers have used a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd on corners recently. They won't pick one high next year as the have to see what they have first.
 
Dallas will be picking before pick #25 next year. The defense is terrible and Romo is injury prone. So I'll take two #1's picks, over our pick #25. Moron move by Colbert . Should have done it We could have taken Howard, who is more proven than Burns, and a safer pick even if he lacked the top-end upside.

More proven to who, Coach? Also might want to know what the "offer" was before you call turning it down a moron move. Maybe we should compare you and Colbert's wonderlink.
 
More proven to who, Coach? Also might want to know what the "offer" was before you call turning it down a moron move. Maybe we should compare you and Colbert's wonderlink.

Probably more proven to Coach, since he's the onw who posted it
 
Tibs,

I have an advantage as I see UM games live. I'm friends with a big time booster and have seen Burns play. He has next to no technique and very little awareness in zone. He's an athlete playing corner, who's fast and a playmaker, but weak vs the run, and a bit flag prone.

He looks like a promising freshman or sophomore who really could have used another year in college. Unless your Rod Woodson, you are going to need technique. The Steelers loved Gilbert a while back. The guy has no clue how to play. Burns is very much in the same boat.

I'd really like to see his Wonderlic score as the low score types tend to be slow to adapt. Years back Dallas took Clayborne with the 4th pick as CB. The guys score was low but man did he test well and pass the eyes test. He busted.

A very risky pick and the Steelers have used a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd on corners recently. They won't pick one high next year as the have to see what they have first.

http://draftwire.usatoday.com/2016/02/25/2016-nfl-draft-scouting-report-miami-cb-artie-burns/

One of the most exciting cornerbacks to watch in the entire 2016 NFL Draft, Artie Burns out of Miami has prototypical size, ball skills, and aggressiveness, but his lack of fluidity, footwork, and technique in coverage could keep him out of the early rounds.
CB Artie Burns

College: Miami Hurricanes
Year: Junior
Birth Year: 1995
Height: 6’0
Weight: 190

The way Artie Burns attacks and finds the football is undeniably his top trait as a cornerback. Most young cornerbacks have a difficult time turning their head and finding the football, let alone attacking it at its highest point. Burns has shown consistently that he can do both while on the hip pocket of the receiver.

Artie Burns is also well-advanced in zone coverage and when asked to read the quarterback’s eyes. It truly speaks to the development of his mental processing ability this early in his career as he is able to diagnose the play in front of him, and then react to put himself in the best position possible to make the play. Sometimes with cornerbacks, staying disciplined in coverage tells more about mental processing than anything, and on this play, Burns sits down in the zone and picks off the quarterback after reading his eyes like a book.

Burns seems much more comfortable when he is up at the LOS able to jam the receiver in Press. He is much better as a player when he is able to get his hands on the receiver so he can disrupt and re-route his path to the football. However, I cannot say that I can trust him from a backpedal in Off man coverage. His COD and hips are much stiffer than I would like in a cornerback, and as a result, I think he will have trouble flipping his hips and running vertical with receivers at the next level. With that being said, he also needs to move better laterally in terms of his reactionary quickness with his feet. He is able to get himself in position cerebrally, but he struggles to capitalize quicker than he needs to with his average closing speed.

In addition, I have legitimate concerns about his ability to stop/start in and out of the breaks of the receiver. Bigger, more physical corners like Burns usually have this problem, but if he’s initially beat, he has an ugly habit of grabbing the receiver’s jersey to recover rather than get back on the hip pocket with his feet. His lack of fluidity, recovery speed, and overall change of direction gives me pause about him on Day 2.

Although Burns is a wild open field tackler, he is very willing to get his nose dirty in run support. His whole game relies on his physicality, and he is one of the few cornerbacks who can really come down and make a difference against the run. Young cornerbacks usually aren’t as willing to come and help in this facet of the game, but Burns keeps his contain when asked to and is able to shed blocks with ease when necessary as well. This is a part of the game to where Burns can really make his presence known on special teams at the next level.

Overall, Artie Burns is an interesting study because of his NFL size, ball skills, mental processing, and overall physicality at both the LOS and in run support. However, his production at the collegiate level does not seem to translate all that well to the NFL level considering his lack of fluidity in his hips, bad tendencies to get grabby when initially beat, and not having the deep speed to recover. Sure, he will be able to body up with big receivers at the NFL level with his physicality and competitive toughness, but when he goes up against a quick-footed athlete or superior route runner, he will struggle immensely.

When he steps into the league, coaches need to tell him to trust his feet more and work with him on his overall technique. The best fit for Burns at the next level would be for him to step into a Cover 2 or Cover 3 system that implements press coverage so that he can take advantage of his physicality and length at both the line of scrimmage and in run support. I see his overall ceiling as a prospect to that of Cowboys cornerback Brandon Carr, who also relies on his physicality and mental processing ability to play as a consistent starter on the outside.
 
I'd really like to see his Wonderlic score as the low score types tend to be slow to adapt.
I read somewhere Burns was the first player in years that got a negative score on the wonderlic. Some site posted some of his answers:

1. Name: ___________ Who's name? My name? Your name? I don't know you dog you just handed me this test, how am I supposed know your name?
2. 7 +5 = _____ Man you ******** me, how am i gonna do that. What is that, maths? Get outta here you damn crazy fool
3. The capital of Oklahoma is ______ I see two capitals the T in The and O in Oklamhoomza. So that's two. You want me to add that together, with what? Damn fool.
4. The 4th month of the year is _________ There you go again, how is a man suppose to know that? 4 months in a year? When is xmas that's all I know. Stupid *****.
5. The moon orbits the ______ Now what the hell that got to do with football? This test is a sumabitch. I'm gonna stuff this pencil right up your nose lady, skanky ho.
 
Coach, at the end of the day all that matters (to me, at least) is that the Steelers' eval had Burns and WJIII neck and neck with almost identical first round grades. A beat reporter from the paper that shall remain unnamed confirmed that in a chat yesterday. Overall, they had WJIII ahead of Burns by just a hair. In certain areas they liked Burns better, in other areas it was WJIII. Given the choice, they would have picked WJIII, but the two players were so close that it didn't matter to them. It was a draw. They knew they would get one or the other. That's why they didn't hesitate when WJIII went off the board, they knew who they were going to pick in an instant. Since it didn't occur to them for even a millisecond to not make the pick, that tells me the other corners - like Xavien Howard - were nowhere near the rankings they had for Burns/WJIII. They wanted a top-notch corner, they got a top-notch corner. We've been bitching for years about the Steelers settling for middling talent, they finally step up to the plate and grab a blue chip corner... and we're still bitching.

Dude they aren't going to say they had Burns rated behind WJIII. I mean come on. Yeah, we really wanted William Jackson III but the bengals took him so we had to take you even tho we rather have WJIII... Come on.
 
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And the Steelers had already said who they identified as the CBs they had first round grades on and weren't going to miss out on..the last two were Jackson and Burns. Jackson is drafted so they take the next Burns
 
Dallas will be picking before pick #25 next year. The defense is terrible and Romo is injury prone. So I'll take two #1's picks, over our pick #25. Moron move by Colbert . Should have done it We could have taken Howard, who is more proven than Burns, and a safer pick even if he lacked the top-end upside.

OLD DEBATE. Burns or trade down and pick X Howard

If you didn't watch it last night, Xavien Howard shut down Tom Brady. 6 targets, ZERO completions, and 2 interceptions.

Coming into the New England game this crossed my mind. An old debate. Howard has 4 interceptions on the year, 12 passes defensed, and a touch down.

I'm not saying Burns is a bust. He's solid but it looks like Howard is the better player. The Steelers could have traded down, picked Howard whos clearly doing better, and stock piled more draft picks.
 
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OLD DEBATE. Burns or trade down and pick X Howard

If you didn't watch it last night, Xavien Howard shut down Tom Brady. 6 targets, ZERO completions, and 2 interceptions.

Coming into the New England game this crossed my mind. An old debate. Howard has 4 interceptions on the year, 12 passes defensed, and a touch down.

I'm not saying Burns is a bust. He's solid but it looks like Howard is the better player. The Steelers could have traded down, picked Howard whos clearly doing better, and stock piled more draft picks.

You have got to be ******* kidding me
 
OLD DEBATE. Burns or trade down and pick X Howard

If you didn't watch it last night, Xavien Howard shut down Tom Brady. 6 targets, ZERO completions, and 2 interceptions.

Coming into the New England game this crossed my mind. An old debate. Howard has 4 interceptions on the year, 12 passes defensed, and a touch down.

I'm not saying Burns is a bust. He's solid but it looks like Howard is the better player. The Steelers could have traded down, picked Howard whos clearly doing better, and stock piled more draft picks.

Read the post above yours.
 
Howard has been beaten like a rented mule all season. They let him mug receivers last night and Brady threw passes directly to him. I'll take Burns.
 
>>>So Howard has better production and work out numbers. I'm not saying he will be better than Burns. I will say they went close enough to each other int he draft and if I can get a first round pick for moving down a few spots and taking Howard, I'm doing it.

Three points:

(1) The offer was a 2nd and a 4th in the 2016 draft, not a 1st and a 1st the next draft.
(2) How do you know Howard is still there at 34?
(3) Finally, it is not legitimate to know a guy is a good player 1 1/2 years AFTER the draft, say we could have passed on Burns, and picked up player "x."
 
You have got to be ******* kidding me

No, and to this day people still talk about passing on Marino. If I asked you for honesty, in terms of who you would rather have now, Howard with extra draft picks or Burns. you would say what?
 
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