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Colin Holb-a long snapper in the 6th ?now yinz have something legitimate to ***** at.

slashsteel said:
Worse pick Dri Archer or Holba?

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EASY, Dri Archer as I don't think he had a chance in making anything happen. One could tell his speed was straight speed. Archer actually got a chance to make something of himself and couldn't thus publicly proving his failure. Holba didn't get season playing time to show his demise as he was cut before he could even get anything going...............

NOW if we go by message board post(s) and page count then obviously DRI was a hell of a lot more successful !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Salute the nation
 
Troglodyte said:
This is like telling someone how stupid it is to spend $1 on a lottery ticket given the odds. Who gives a ****, it was a dollar.

It's not like we're gonna my to be saying "If only we hadn't used that 6th round pick on a LS" in February.
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You mean like our starting middle line backer Vince Williams? Or you mean our all pro WR? Or Big Dan McCullers, who is still on the roster. Or Kelvin Beachum who is now on the Jets?
 
Black & Gold Bleeder said:
You mean like our starting middle line backer Vince Williams? Or you mean our all pro WR? Or Big Dan McCullers, who is still on the roster. Or Kelvin Beachum who is now on the Jets?
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I'm sure you will find more 6th round picks that have failed than ones that have suceeded.
 
Have a good look at the number of 6th rounders and lower playing for the Steelers currently and get back to me. Dont even bother with AB. Every generation has a Brady. Did you want them to keep Holba to justify the pick or the best man plays.
 
So, who is our loooooooooooooooong snapppppppppppppppppper now?
 
TDX27 said:
So, who is our loooooooooooooooong snapppppppppppppppppper now?
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That would be Kameron......Cannady. The blurb about him just said he is from Portland State and "has some NFL experience". I didn't realize it but in reading about the final pre season game, Cannady took half of the snaps an Holba took the other half. I don't even know if he has been in camp the whole time or if they signed him recently. Long Snapper being the forgotten man and all they just fly under the radar until they screw up in a big spot. Then everybody knows who they are lol.
 
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I haven't seen any of the preseason games, could he not hit a barn door or were they sporadic, etc.

I know the position is now considered a specialist position but can't an all pro center do the task? Mike Webster handled long snaps back in the day so we know it can be done. Would be great to use that roster spot for an extra db.
 
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TDX27 said:
So, who is our loooooooooooooooong snapppppppppppppppppper now?
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Pull up an armchair and get to know Kameron Canady

Ex-Portland State LS Kameron Canaday gets another chance with Pittsburgh Steelers
http://www.oregonlive.com/nfl/index.ssf/2017/07/ex-portland_state_ls_kameron_c_1.html

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Former Portland State Vikings long snapper Kameron Canaday will another chance to prove he can perform at a high level in the NFL.

Canaday is currently on the roster of the Pittsburgh Steelers and he'll get a chance to earn a spot on the 53-man roster during the Steelers training camp, which begins July 28.

Canaday originally signed a reserve/future contract with the Steelers in February, but was cut May 5, a week after the Steelers used their sixth-round pick to select long snapper Colin Holba out of Louisville. The Steelers re-signed Canaday May 30, 12 days after they released 13-year veteran long snapper Greg Warren May 18 due to a failed physical.

Canaday will likely compete against Holba during training camp. Kanaday, in his second season, will have an edge in experience.

Canaday signed on as an undrafted free agent with the Arizona Cardinals and earned a spot on the 53-roster as the starting long snapper. However, Canaday struggled and committed two bad errors during his first three games during the 2016 season.

Canaday's low snap on potential game-winning field goal resulted in the Cardinals 23-21 loss to New England in Week 1. Canaday's high and wide snap on a field goal try slipped through holder's Drew Butler's hands and Buffalo safety Aaron Williams returned the fumble 53 yards for a touchdown in the 33-18 loss to the Bills in Week 3. The Cardinals cut Canaday two days later.
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New Faces 2017: LS Kameron Canaday
http://www.Invalid Link - Check SN Home Page/2017/08/new-faces-2017-ls-kameron-canaday/

You know who we really haven’t talked about much this summer? Kameron Canaday. You know him well, of course. He is the other long snapper on the roster. You know, the one that was not a draft pick.

There is some connection with him. A former undrafted free agent a year ago, Canaday actually originally made Bruce Arians’s Cardinals last season, but things did not end well for Portland State product.

Canaday won a competition for Arizona last season to begin the year as their starting long snapper. He did not finish the season. And it probably takes a lot in order for a long snapper to lose his job in the middle of the season. It’s simply not a position you want to mess with in terms of continuity.

But he did get cut. He was their long snapper for the first three games and then Arians released him, noting on his way out the door that “it has nothing to do with anything but what’s between his ears”. I don’t know about you but that doesn’t really sound like a compliment.

The Steelers originally signed him to a Reserve/Future contract at the beginning of the offseason. They released him following the 2017 NFL Draft when they used a sixth-round draft pick on long snapper Colin Holba, but then the plans changed.

After that, of course, it was mutually agreed upon that Greg Warren, their veteran long snapper for over a decade, was no longer fit to play. He was released with a failed physical designation and is presumably now unofficially retired from the NFL.

Holba is very obviously going to be the favorite to win the long snapper job, but it is not a guarantee by any means. The Steelers drafted a long snapper the year Warren beat him out for the job way back in the mid-2000s, after all.

Holba has never played a snap in the NFL. Canaday does have a bit of experience in the league already. There could be a competition for the job, even if the Steelers would like to see Holba win it.
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And here is a full eight(!) minute highlight reel for Canaday in college. Looks like half of it is the same play over and over from different angles.

 
JMM said:
I haven't seen any of the preseason games, could he not hit a barn door or were they sporadic, etc.

I know the position is now considered a specialist position but can't an all pro center do the task? Mike Webster handled long snaps back in the day so we know it can be done. Would be great to use that roster spot for an extra db.
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I only saw one bad snap in a game, so I'm guessing he must have botched several more during camp practices to get ousted so quickly.

And no, in today's NFL a Center would never be allowed to Long Snap because everything is overly technical now. A friend of mine has a younger brother who is an NFL Long Snapper. What separates Long Snappers from each other in today's "down to the last detail" NFL is the speed the ball gets there along with accuracy. And when I say speed, I am talking .001 seconds difference in how fast the ball gets to the holder/punter. My friend in question, the older brother.....was also a Long Snapper in college and got an NFL tryout back in the day. He was in competition with two other guys, I believe it was for the Packers They ended up choosing one of the other guys because his snap was like a thousandth of a second quicker.
 
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SteelerSask said:
Have a good look at the number of 6th rounders and lower playing for the Steelers currently and get back to me. Dont even bother with AB. Every generation has a Brady. Did you want them to keep Holba to justify the pick or the best man plays.
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The problem with this argument is we are talking about the 2017 draft only here. You can't say "well this guy was a 6th rounder for us, that guy was a 6th rounder for so and so" if they were drafted in different years. You'll have to wait at the very least until the end of this year, then go back and look at THIS draft, see who was available at the time we drafted Holba, and then compare who is on an NFL roster, what position he plays, etc. It's not shocking that every draft is different.

And for the record, I was confused at the drafting of a LS. But I don't get into college football or the draft THAT much to know who would have or could have been a better selection beyond the 3rd round...
 
insaniti said:
The problem with this argument is we are talking about the 2017 draft only here. You can't say "well this guy was a 6th rounder for us, that guy was a 6th rounder for so and so" if they were drafted in different years. You'll have to wait at the very least until the end of this year, then go back and look at THIS draft, see who was available at the time we drafted Holba, and then compare who is on an NFL roster, what position he plays, etc. It's not shocking that every draft is different.

And for the record, I was confused at the drafting of a LS. But I don't get into college football or the draft THAT much to know who would have or could have been a better selection beyond the 3rd round...
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But you cant cherry pick the one or two at most three 6th rounders who end up having some or maybe a great deal of success. Were they even on the Steelers radar? The Steelers had a hole on the roster. They tried to fill it. In a open competition they chose the other guy. I think in the past Tombert have been too stubborn about 'their' guys. The best should play.
 
Black & Gold Bleeder said:
You mean like our starting middle line backer Vince Williams? Or you mean our all pro WR? Or Big Dan McCullers, who is still on the roster. Or Kelvin Beachum who is now on the Jets?
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The biggest mistakes NFL teams make involve big $s, not late round picks. Ladarius Green was a popular signing. That will cost the Steelers exponentially more, both in $s and opportunity, than a 6th round LS. Same goes for Hayden, should he turn out to be a disappointment. 6th round picks are a silly thing to fret over.
 
Looking back historically over a ten year period where you can fully judge a players impact the Steelers have an approximatly 17 percent success rate in round 5 or later. Obviously AB is the highlight. Im not minimizing the pick. You cant just throw them away but there is a fair amount of schlock in there too.
 
SteelerSask said:
Looking back historically over a ten year period where you can fully judge a players impact the Steelers have an approximatly 17 percent success rate in round 5 or later. Obviously AB is the highlight. Im not minimizing the pick. You cant just throw them away but there is a fair amount of schlock in there too.
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we have done well with undrafted's I think compared to a lot of teams
 
slashsteel said:
we have done well with undrafted's I think compared to a lot of teams
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I agree. Seattle is the gold standard of that but I would say the Steelers have done better than most. Though I think the team has overemphasized draft picks pedegree.
 
Seems more people are upset we used a 6th round pick on this guy and he failed to stick than us getting a 6th rounder for Coates who was a 3rd rounder. Go figure.
 
stillwright said:
Seems more people are upset we used a 6th round pick on this guy and he failed to stick than us getting a 6th rounder for Coates who was a 3rd rounder. Go figure.
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Coates is damaged goods why would he still be worth a 3rd?

That is like buying a new car, and a year later the frame gets bent in a drive by.

You won't get near what you purchased it for...
 
slashsteel said:
Coates is damaged goods why would he still be worth a 3rd?

That is like buying a new car, and a year later the frame gets bent in a drive by.

You won't get near what you purchased it for...
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The point is he was a 3rd rounder and isn't on the team. He could have been cut. It doesn't make a difference. Fact is he isn't here anymore. The long snapper was a 6th rounder.
 
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