Cockrell Expects CBs Up At Line Of Scrimmage More This Season

[MTC]

No he does not! Steelerfan81 thinks he knows more than most here, including NFL coaches. That Coughlin said is correct. If you miss the jam, and the other guy gets a clean release he blowns by you as his feet are moving and your are not.

You're moving but backwards. By the time you turn around to run stride with the receiver he's gonna be 5-10 yards ahead of you. So I understand what you guys are saying. In the 3-4 defense, especially with our safety tandem now; playing up to jam the receiver would be smart. Guys like Cockrell and Gay may not be fast enough or big enough to make an impact, but a few seconds to throw the offense off rhythm would really help our safeties

 

[Coach]

Dude you keep saying we lack the ability to play MAN coverage, and yet you ignored Tape's post that shows if our CBs start playing at the LOS more it'll most likely be Cover 2, not man coverage. It's like you simply keep repeating the same assertion without dealing with the responses, and also I'd like to know where you get the insight that you KNOW we don't have the speed, strength, size? (Cockrell- 6'0, Gay- 5'10, Burns- 6'1) what height exactly is proper to play man coverage? Josh Norman is 6'0, I don't see a massive difference there, the only argument for size is with Golson. In terms of speed Norman ran a 4.66 at the combine, while Cockrell ran a 4.56 so is it simply that Cockrell doesn't have Norman's strength to play BnR? I'd like to see the proof of our CBs lack of strength. In terms of overall coverage ability, Gay while older is still a savvy vet who understands coverages and offensive formations with route combinations, so he is still solid. Cockrell joined us right after the preseason and didn't have a full training camp with us yet and he is still young so we shall see how he does this year. Golson has yet to play and therefore we can't KNOW how good he is yet. Burns has the speed, size, strength, and we shall see his coverage ability but he has the potential. Seems to be a lot of wait and see on these guys, and only their coaches KNOW what they are capable of most, and we are limited in our ability to make such sure assertions.

I'll ping Tape and ask for that a link to that thread. He's a fine poster.

Just so you know, a " Cover 2 " is a zone based philosophy. I'm talking man coverage, which only Gay is decent at among our CB's and has little to do with how close or far the CB is from the LOS. Apples and Oranges.

 

[antdrewjosh]

I'll ping Tape and ask for that a link to that thread. He's a fine poster.

Just so you know, a " Cover 2 " is a zone based philosophy. I'm talking man coverage, which only Gay is decent at among our CB's and has little to do with how close or far the CB is from the LOS. Apples and Oranges.

And what do the Steelers play more of man or zone??

 

[SteelerAl]

See what I'm trying to get into your head is stats don't always tell the whole story.

If Coach hasn't been convinced of that by now, it's never going to happen. He starts with his opinion and then searches like hell to find some facts to support it, circumstances be damned. Hell, in another thread he just cited preseason stats and college stats to support the idea that a 225-pound linebacker with a serious drug problem can be an effective run defender (if he's ever allowed to play in the NFL again, I suppose...).

 

[Coach]

If Coach hasn't been convinced of that by now, it's never going to happen. He starts with his opinion and then searches like hell to find some facts to support it, circumstances be damned. Hell, in another thread he just cited preseason stats and college stats to support the idea that a 225-pound linebacker with a serious drug problem can be an effective run defender (if he's ever allowed to play in the NFL again, I suppose...).

I'm convinced the Steelers rated 30th out of 32 teams in 2015, giving up 4,661 passing yards last season. And we played seven backup QB's. Any questions, Al? Are those stats unfair? LOL.

By the way DL player you reffer to is listed at 255 pounds not 225. Yes he has drug problems. You got that one right!

As for the Steelers playing more zone or man ( antdrewjosh's question ), that all depends on the score of the game and the passing attack we are facing.

In general, I'd prefer tighter coverage on the line and more man defense vs. teams that lack speedy receivers and good QB's, particularly on second downs. These 8-10 yard cushions on 2nd and 5 and 2nd 6 type of plays do nothing good for us at all. That's my $.02, which is a lot less than the nickel and diming our pass defense allows.

-Coach.

 

[Wingman]

Phil Simms literally LOL when the Steelers gave a 5 yard cushion when the ball was on the Steelers' own 2-yard line. He couldn't understand the philosophy nor could I.

There seems to be a great deal that Phill Sims does not understand if one is forced to listen to him talk during a game. He is one of the guys that made the mute button most valuable on the remote.

 

[SteelerAl]

There seems to be a great deal that Phill Sims does not understand if one is forced to listen to him talk during a game. He is one of the guys that made the mute button most valuable on the remote.

I watch most of the games from home now, but having to endure Phil Simms (and plenty of the other buffoons the TV networks subject us to) does make me long for the days of watching the games in a smoke-filled sports bar which was usually too loud to here the commentators (or music was playing).

 

[SteelerAl]

By the way DL player you reffer to is listed at 255 pounds not 225. Yes he has drug problems. You got that one right!
-Coach.

Man, you prove my point even when you're not trying. Listed weight - you know the number that a team pulls out of thin air (they probably have the head coach's wife make that **** up) - has no bearing on reality. Did Casey Hampton ever weigh what the Steelers listed him at (nope, he was much heavier)? The only time you'll ever get "true" measurements on a player is the combine. Gregory measured 6'5" and weighed 235 at the combine --- that's long and lean, mistakable for a big WR.

 

[ianv2012]

If Coach hasn't been convinced of that by now, it's never going to happen. He starts with his opinion and then searches like hell to find some facts to support it, circumstances be damned. Hell, in another thread he just cited preseason stats and college stats to support the idea that a 225-pound linebacker with a serious drug problem can be an effective run defender (if he's ever allowed to play in the NFL again, I suppose...).

You mean....he begins with his conclusion and then argues backwards from there?! GASP!!!!......yeah that sounds about right.

 

[Coach]

By the way DL player you reffer to is listed at 255 pounds not 225. Yes he has drug problems. You got that one right!

Man, you prove my point even when you're not trying. Listed weight - you know the number that a team pulls out of thin air (they probably have the head coach's wife make that **** up) - has no bearing on reality. Did Casey Hampton ever weigh what the Steelers listed him at (nope, he was much heavier)? The only time you'll ever get "true" measurements on a player is the combine. Gregory measured 6'5" and weighed 235 at the combine --- that's long and lean, mistakable for a big WR.

Way to move the goal posts back. You've gone from 225 to 235 on Gregory. Nicely done, Didn't take long.

 

[Steelerfan81]

I'll ping Tape and ask for that a link to that thread. He's a fine poster.

Just so you know, a " Cover 2 " is a zone based philosophy. I'm talking man coverage, which only Gay is decent at among our CB's and has little to do with how close or far the CB is from the LOS. Apples and Oranges.

Why don't you Google cover man 2 coverage and get back to me about how Cover 2 is a zone based philosophy.

 

[Steelerfan81]

I'll ping Tape and ask for that a link to that thread. He's a fine poster.

Just so you know, a " Cover 2 " is a zone based philosophy. I'm talking man coverage, which only Gay is decent at among our CB's and has little to do with how close or far the CB is from the LOS. Apples and Oranges.

Why don't you Google cover2 man coverage and get back to me about how Cover 2 is a zone based philosophy.

Sorry your pee wee team couldn't run it.