Coach's Lesson: Clock Managment

[antdrewjosh]

Sure beats the false narrative around here that Tomlin is terrible at clock management. He's actually pretty good. Check the stats for chances to score at the end of halves and games. We're doing it more often than not, and last game, we just doubled up. Plus we had victory formation in FG range. -Cope



This is Cope's topic, he owns it. Tomlin's poor clock management skills have been an issue for years. When we win, people forget about it.

So name a game we lost because of bad clock management

 

[Litos]

The players ****** up not calling the TO just as the whistle was blown after the run, that's all it was. Tomlin was too far away to be heard by the refs and there would have been time for a pass play if they had called it

 

[Steeler Pride]

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So name a game we lost because of bad clock management

How can ANYONE answer that question with any certainty? Name me a time when we took a TO as opposed to spiking the ball and ended up settling for a FG and lost a game? Any small decision in clock management can result in a loss of points on the board, change how you play a next series, swing momentum. It's impossible to say when poor clock management cost you a game because the smallest decisions can totally alter a game.

 

[antdrewjosh]

How can ANYONE answer that question with any certainty? Name me a time when we took a TO as opposed to spiking the ball and ended up settling for a FG and lost a game? Any small decision in clock management can result in a loss of points on the board, change how you play a next series, swing momentum. It's impossible to say when poor clock management cost you a game because the smallest decisions can totally alter a game.

So basically you cant thanks

 

[Steeler Pride]

So basically you cant thanks

name me one game we have won BECAUSE of Tomlin's clock management

 

[Steeler Pride]

So basically you cant thanks

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LOL, Does that work

 

[antdrewjosh]

http://www.Invalid Link - Check SN Home Page/2015/11/tomlins-poor-decisions-play-large-role-in-loss/

LOL, Does that work

So we lost because because of clock management or because Blake was toasted?? Deciding whether to go for it or kick the FG on the road isnt a snap decision. Kicking off with three minutes left is an eternity. They were one play from getting the ball back.

 

[antdrewjosh]

name me one game we have won BECAUSE of Tomlin's clock management

I dont have to do that. I never said he is good or bad it. Besides there have been plenty of game winning plays and drives under Tomlin. Of course those were contributed to Ben as being clutch

 

[Coach]

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So name a game we lost because of bad clock management

You can pick any game when the offense was driving late and needed more time and either turned it over late / could have used the extra seconds on the clock as examples where poor clock management contributed to the defeat.

You can also make a case where the margin of victory smaller ( Such as the recent Bengals game perhaps ) or the margin of defeat wider based on not using the timeouts at the correct times.

Coaches are supposed to pick the best players to start ( Not leaving a good on the bench, like say Harrison ) use their timeouts to maximize the efforts, rest injured players if needed, and make game-time adjustments to correct things. I think Mikey has made a few mistakes on the above, don't you?

 

[antdrewjosh]

You can pick any game when the offense was driving late and needed more time and either turned it over late / could have used the extra seconds on the clock as examples where poor clock management contributed to the defeat.

You can also make a case where the margin of victory smaller ( Such as the recent Bengals game perhaps ) or the margin of defeat wider based on not using the timeouts at the correct times.

Coaches are supposed to pick the best players to start ( Not leaving a good on the bench, like say Harrison ) use their timeouts to maximize the efforts, rest injured players if needed, and make game-time adjustments to correct things. I think Mikey has made a few mistakes on the above, don't you?

there is way too much gray area in your post

 

[Stryker]

there is way too much gray area in your post

It's his favorite color.

TOs are needed for good review opportunities, and stopping the clock at the end of games and halfs to gain chances to score. I've seen Ben score more at the end of halves and games, than we squandered TOs to lose games.

We are not Andy Reid with McNabb or Herm Edwards. Both were terrible at time/clock management and lost games because of it. Hell, Herm lost a playoff game to us because of it.

 

[topseed]

Not sure if you read the entire post. It's pretty clear Tomlin knew exactly what to do in this instance. Ben did not.

Nothing to do with Ben. I was referring to your original example, where you classified the timeouts called on defense as "incredible."

 

[topseed]

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So name a game we lost because of bad clock management

Going for 2 from the 12 immediately comes to mind, off the top of my head.

 

[Stryker]

Going for 2 from the 12 immediately comes to mind, off the top of my head.

I do agree here. I'm all for going for 2, but not from the 12, unless you are forced to do it late in the game because time is an issue. I don't think time was an issue when we went for 2 from the 12 in that game.

 

[antdrewjosh]

That's being an stubborn idiot not sure what it has to do with the clock though

 

[steelermania]

Some of you guys must not watch any games where the Steelers aren't playing. Most of the coaches in the league are horrible at clock management. Last year's SB was the gold standard for it. I see it every week, college too.

 

[topseed]

That's being an stubborn idiot not sure what it has to do with the clock though

I thought Cope explained it rather well above.

Wait, did you really just refer to Mike Tomlin as a stubborn idiot? Maybe there is hope for you, son.

 

[topseed]

Some of you guys must not watch any games where the Steelers aren't playing. Most of the coaches in the league are horrible at clock management. Last year's SB was the gold standard for it. I see it every week, college too.

Indeed. Some coaches are more horrible than others, however.

And last year's SB-losing coach has been universally lambasted for his poor game management. Rightfully so.

 

[antdrewjosh]

I thought Cope explained it rather well above.

Wait, did you really just refer to Mike Tomlin as a stubborn idiot? Maybe there is hope for you, son.

Lol in that instance he was.

 

[Coach]

Indeed. Some coaches are more horrible than others, however.

And last year's SB-losing coach has been universally lambasted for his poor game management. Rightfully so.

Yep. New England has two Lombardi's thanks to the stupidity of two head coaches, and a few other ones based on a kicker being clutch.

 

[Steelin]

One successful execution of the end of a half of football does not a legacy make. I have seen many, many clock management head scratchers in the Tomlin years. I wouldn't give him a medal or anything.

 

[Stryker]

One successful execution of the end of a half of football does not a legacy make. I have seen many, many clock management head scratchers in the Tomlin years. I wouldn't give him a medal or anything.

And I have seen many more instances where he is successful at closing out the half and game with scores or running out the clock.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Yep. New England has two Lombardi's thanks to the stupidity of two head coaches, and a few other ones based on a kicker being clutch.

Don't play the CHEATRIOTS off as an ordinary law abiding SB winning team..........Weather you like it or not they have CHEATED their way to several.




Salute the nation

 

[Stryker]

Also, running out the clock when the opponent has their full compliment of TOs, is also game management, and something Tomlin is willing to take the right risks on. If you can ice a game by getting a first down, Tomlin has always gone for the ice. He lets Ben make those plays with his arm to seal games in 3rd and long situations, where other teams would run the ball to burn 45 sec. This is how you play to win the game. Lewis, Herm Edwards, even Marty Schottenheimer would play it safe. This gives the other team the ball with a chance to win. We have won more games than we've given the opponent the ball back, and I will always enjoy watching a coach that will take the right risks, to give their team the best chance to win the game.

This past game was a good example of it.

 

[Steelin]

And I have seen many more instances where he is successful at closing out the half and game with scores or running out the clock.

All by himself