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Coach rankings among the current NFL

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I was going to make light of Reid's achievement, you know - because he has the best QB, best TE and arguably one of the top 5 or 10 WR in the game, and that's just on offense...

Then I remembered all the years Coach T had a team so talent-loaded it was ridiculous. But hey, I think it was during the "Killer B" era that he actually managed to win like 3 playoff games.
 
I think coach Tomlin has been consistently over rated. Don't get me wrong as he is a good coach but also know he has had arguably the MOST talented team in the NFL over the last 10 years.

It's been for quite some time as to what little you have done with what LotSA you've had to work with. Ben Roethlisberger is a constant and has shown winning franchise ability yet the Coaching can't get things over the hump.




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I was going to make light of Reid's achievement, you know - because he has the best QB, best TE and arguably one of the top 5 or 10 WR in the game, and that's just on offense...

Then I remembered all the years Coach T had a team so talent-loaded it was ridiculous. But hey, I think it was during the "Killer B" era that he actually managed to win like 3 playoff games.
This is NOT a defense of Tomlin, but I'm just not buying "talent-loaded is was ridiculous."

I think you have to factor in, along with physical talent, what kind of heads the players have. They had too many guys who had million dollar talent with 10 cent heads. A "talent loaded" team would be those Steelers teams of the 70s in which the physical and mental was there much more often than not.
 
I just keep thinking about this great talent that plays great in October or something, but disappears later. I am still waiting for Heyward or Tuitt to make big plays in playoff games, for example. Ben's stats in the playoffs just aren't that good. Watt didn't sniff Mayfield in the playoff game. These things don't feel good to say, but it is just reality. Tomlin doesn't help, but dammit, you still have to have "super talented" guys make a play or two when it counts.
 
This is NOT a defense of Tomlin, but I'm just not buying "talent-loaded is was ridiculous."

I think you have to factor in, along with physical talent, what kind of heads the players have. They had too many guys who had million dollar talent with 10 cent heads. A "talent loaded" team would be those Steelers teams of the 70s in which the physical and mental was there much more often than not.
Well, as I have pointed out quite often, I actually don't think Bell was nearly as great as his hype. The truth is, Bell just ran a LOT and behind a really talented line. And he was a good receiver who benefitted from having guys like Antonio Brown drawing lots of coverage. But as we have seen, few former Steeler players have flamed out as spectacularly as Le'Veon Bell after he left.

That said, although I really loathe what he evolved in to, Antonio Brown is unarguably one of the best receivers to play the game. It remains to be seen if he can retain the kind of production he had with the Steelers, although age and situation dictate that will be difficult for him. Nonetheless, even if I hate to say it, if anyone can do it, it's him.

What the Steelers DID have was a strong, even dominating offensive line, likely one of the best QBs to ever play the game, clearly one of the best WRs to ever play the game and a RB that was talented enough to be able to take advantage of his opportunities.

The critical failure of Tomlin, imo, is that he can't look at the forest, he can only see a few trees. He will gear up and he and the staff will focus on an aspect of the game. Offense, or even specific aspects of the offense and for a long period of time (sometimes entire seasons) he will basically ignore every other aspect of the game and just "hope it does fine."

We've seen the Steelers focus endlessly on the offensive side of the ball, (probably at Ben's request) while basically doing nothing more than applying expensive bandages to the defense. (I'm referring to the Steelers simply drafting or signing endless first round picks to the defense in the hope sheer talend would eventually "fix" the defense.) That strategy was painfully ineffective until the Steelers struck gold with Minkah Fitzpatrick. Then, suddenly a mediocre at best defense began to emerge as good and eventually dominant.

But Tomlin doesn't focus on the entirety of the team. He can't even be bothered to game plan or make adjustments to what other teams are doing. He doggedly focuses on some aspect and he literally chooses to live or die on that hill. And when he dies, he blames "execution" ironically.

Tomlin is probably a decent motivator. He is clearly loved by his players. However, one suspects that the NFL has too many high talent players for a team to get by on motivation alone. There has to be some coaching, teaching, and what former president Bush called "strategery". Add in good scouting (something I think the Steelers actually do better than average at) and business management (also a Steeler strength) and you've got a chance.

Since the Steelers are, again imo, lacking in coaching, teaching and strategery aspects of the game, I really don't believe that the Steelers have much of a "chance" sadly. But, I love em anyway. I hope it's a great season and that we all have some wonderful feel-good moments this year.
 
This is NOT a defense of Tomlin, but I'm just not buying "talent-loaded is was ridiculous."

I think you have to factor in, along with physical talent, what kind of heads the players have. They had too many guys who had million dollar talent with 10 cent heads. A "talent loaded" team would be those Steelers teams of the 70s in which the physical and mental was there much more often than not.
I just keep thinking about this great talent that plays great in October or something, but disappears later. I am still waiting for Heyward or Tuitt to make big plays in playoff games, for example. Ben's stats in the playoffs just aren't that good. Watt didn't sniff Mayfield in the playoff game. These things don't feel good to say, but it is just reality. Tomlin doesn't help, but dammit, you still have to have "super talented" guys make a play or two when it counts.


Remember it is Tomlin's team, he / colbert drafted them. For several season I was told the the RB was a once in a generation talent and a WR who was an all time greatest talent (also a once in a lifetime talent).

The players have responsibility but we are evaluating the head coach. Tomlin has had some VERY talented teams and has done little to nothing with them. Every team has injuries / head cases / ect. but few teams have had the multitude of talent this team has had over the last ten years. Coach Tomlin has gotten and used every excuse known to mankind and has always gotten a "pass" when things broke down.

Do I hate Coach Tomlin, OBVIOUSLY NOT but I do want to hold him to the standard. I realize as a owner there is a lot more at stake here than win or loss. Profitability is forefront of everything. Winning just enough to keep the $$$bUCko$$$ flowing is is the most criticle. Obviously this head coach is doing that.

In the current NFL coaching I think tomlin is ranked near where he should be,... 10th-13th.




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It's funny...I look at the list and outside of Belichick and maybe Reid, I don't know if I take anyone over Tomlin.

That is NOT an endorsement of Tomlin, but rather an indictment of the coaching.

They have McDermott above, and the crappy gameplan he rolled out in the AFCC game looked damn near exactly what we had watched the Steelers do the last 6 -8 weeks of the season. LaFleur? Why is he above, after some of the questionable crap he does. McVay. C'mon. That guy has leveled off. Pete Carrol is a jagoff. I'm surprised Stefanski is at 13. I hate to admit it, but I think the Browns finally got it right.
 
The guy compiling the list is an idiot, as he has Tomlin 10, but Payton 3, and says they are similar. Well, if so, either Payton should be down around 10, or Tomlin up around 3.
 
Said it before and will say it again, the offseason is a nasty *****.
 
Sorry, But John Harbaugh should not be at #3. no way. no how.
Tomlin is probably a top five coach hands down, but honestly the coaching in the nfl is as poor as it has ever been... look at that list... reid is a career choker who is the best guy by a landslide... belicheat is dirty, Harbaugh is a tool... half are gimmick guys and the other half are meh... go get some strategically superior genius kids and teach them the game from the ground up... in a decade maybe we can find some innovative, adaptable masters that are more than nepotism hires and flash in the pans
 
damn there are a lot of ****** coaches in the league

With that being the case does it make it easier to think and average coach is much better than what he really is. When you compare todays coaches to the 70s coaches there is no contest. Our own Chuck Noll was a genious coach along with about a 1/2 dozen others.

Where AS.....

Todays coaches don't have one single master mind comparable to any of the elite 70s coaches. Billicheat is exempt from any and all discussion due to his cheating.

The 80s & 90s had hand fulls with HC Coach Cowher being one of them.

somewhere in the late 00s to current it has been diluted down and part of that is the NFL took the stratigy out of the game. It's all about offense and qwick score so there isn't the inovation as there was in the past.

I still take REAL FOOTBALL over anything they've got today !




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With that being the case does it make it easier to think and average coach is much better than what he really is. When you compare todays coaches to the 70s coaches there is no contest. Our own Chuck Noll was a genius coach along with about a 1/2 dozen others. ... The 80s & 90s had hand fulls with HC Coach Cowher being one of them.

You make an interesting point. For example, Buddy Ryan invented a defense that won a Super Bowl. Dick Lebeau invented a defense that destroyed Houston's "run-and-shoot" offense.
 
You make an interesting point. For example, Buddy Ryan invented a defense that won a Super Bowl. Dick Lebeau invented a defense that destroyed Houston's "run-and-shoot" offense.
Bill Walsh
Air Coryell
Dungy's Tampa 2
Tomlin with the Vikes
 
Tomlin with the Vikes

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The NFL has changed the dynamics of the three phases of the game. Originally they had an equal value in strategy but due to rules manipulation I now see the three strategies are imbalance to (my opinion) this proportion.

ST (special teams) - 15%

O
(offense) - 57%

D
(defense) - 28%

In the fight to retain and recruit fan base the NFL went all in on FF (fantasy football) and have been very successful in doing so. Unfortunately along with that strategy they found they needed to increase stats. O became priority so to increase O they decreased D. This habdcuffed 1/3 of the game. Safety (justified or not) was used to help facilitate this move. Then in a move to get more offensive stats they decreased the odds for STs to score. ALL VERY SIMPLE but huge change of the original game of football. Welcome to the NFL

With all this occurring it changed the dynamics of coaching. It has lowered the inventive side of coaching. There is no clear cut D that is designed to stop the O due to rules, not scheme so the coaches are using "old school" scheme with minimal twist(s). STs don't even get a chance to make a tackle on kickoff. Thus not requiring near the coaching as in the past.

All emphasis is on O with D being reactive to it. So a lot of the inovative coaching is taken care of.

To summerize the persuit of FF has taken so much away from the game that actual Coaching has suffered, combine it with the CBA crap of not padding up / limited pactrices / ect....... Coaching is handcuffed and thus left to a less imaginative degree.



EVERYTHING NFL has gotten soft including the coaching ability. It's not the game of old but a new version of the game just for entertainment.





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