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Carnell Lake....your Steelers DB coach.....

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At what point do you turn and take a serious look at Carnell Lake's coaching ability?

A position coach on a team at some point is suppose to teach technique and eventually you should see improvement from your players at that position. Lake has been here 3 or 4 years and we've seen none of it. Mike Munchak took an average O-line and taught technique and got this Steelers O-line to be one of the best in football in a little over a year.

At what point do you look at Carnell Lake and say.......Hey Carnell?
 
I don't know if I can blame Carnell. Blake is garbage. How do you coach someone to be faster, taller and jump higher? You can't.
 
oneforthebus said:
I don't know if I can blame Carnell. Blake is garbage. How do you coach someone to be faster, taller and jump higher? You can't.
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I almost wonder if Antwon Blake would make a better Safety than CB....but Carnell needs to be help responsible at some point. We've seen no improvement from that unit from a technical standpoint in years.
 
Basics are missing. Dead horse here but tackling is kind of important. These guys are prioritizing big hits over sound tackling. That's a coaching problem.
 
They have two guys at cornerback they picked up off the scrap heap, their third should be their No. 3 and at safety, Mitchell finally showed up this year, but have a backup starting in Allen and a prospect (Thomas) with zero feel for the game. Sometimes a move needs to be made for the sake of a change and the attempt to make an improvement, but man, there is not much to work with in the secondary.
 
oneforthebus said:
I don't know if I can blame Carnell. Blake is garbage. How do you coach someone to be faster, taller and jump higher? You can't.
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I don't think Blake's physical attributes are the problem. He has terrible body control, terrible footwork, terrible technique (as the announcers pointed out - he played outside technique on the Baldwin TD when he had no help to the inside) and can't tackle.

That being said, the secondary has been absolutely horrible in recent weeks against Oakland, Cleveland, and Seattle. I mean wtf are they doing out there? I have been wondering what Lake is teaching these kids for the past couple years now. It's obvious he doesn't have the horses, but their technique and being frequently out of position is doing them no favors either. Even the veteran Will Allen was way out of position on that other deep TD
 
I disagree. He has zero drafted talent. It is a patchwork of FA'S and late draft picks. They have made some Guesses and plays this year and do cause turn overs. It would be easy to play DB if you are Richard Sherman and get to hold down field.
 
#$/^? Yeah blame Lake. That's the easiest route.

If he fails to develop talent thats worth a **** then maybe he needs to go, but I think the last time we had a complete secondary that was worth a damn was when he was playing with Woodson. I sincerely believe that Troy singlehandedly made up for the gaps in our secondary for so many years and the no talent secondary is really exposed now.
 
Tombert has failed to get him any talent. Obviously they think a bunch of nobodies can run a tampa 2 scheme.
 
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I disagree. He has zero drafted talent. It is a patchwork of FA'S and late draft picks. They have made some Guesses and plays this year and do cause turn overs. It would be easy to play DB if you are Richard Sherman and get to hold down field.
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Ha!
Agreed. How many times was he holding AB? Blake still has a lot of issues though
 
SteelerSask said:
I disagree. He has zero drafted talent. It is a patchwork of FA'S and late draft picks. They have made some Guesses and plays this year and do cause turn overs. It would be easy to play DB if you are Richard Sherman and get to hold down field.
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The trouble is our DBs are so bad that even if they were allowed to hold, they don't get close enough to receivers to do that. Coverage and tackling is non-existent. Pathetic.
 
JMM said:
#$/^? Yeah blame Lake. That's the easiest route.

If he fails to develop talent thats worth a **** then maybe he needs to go, but I think the last time we had a complete secondary that was worth a damn was when he was playing with Woodson. I sincerely believe that Troy singlehandedly made up for the gaps in our secondary for so many years and the no talent secondary is really exposed now.
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Exactly. The DB's improved after they hired him and I think the decline has a lot more to do with lack of talent at the position (except for Willie Gay) than it does with how Coach Lake is doing his job.
 
Tomlin should use his expertise as a DB coach to help out........
 
Tomlin has no expertise in any area other than spewing his trite bullshit.
 
You can't polish a turd, Blake is a turd
 
Man our front office is dumb as ****. Look at the team right now, there is ONE glaring weakness. They need to spend multiple picks on CB early in the next draft. You know we aren't signing a significant FA, and frankly the way a lot of those work out that may not be a bad thing.
 
Gay: our best corner, or so one would think as not much action comes his way as a result of the much easier DBs to pick on out there. A sad indictment on the talent level at any rate.

Blake: short, not that fast, horrid technique, loves giving a ten yard cushion, can't tackle, is only still starting because a few timely turnovers created. What do you expect given his pedigree?

Cockrell: another cast off scrap heap pick up, but he ses to have potential. Kid still gets beat badly but could be a bigger stronger Blake...or maybe even a little better than that.

Boykin: has shown good man coverage skills in the past, seems to locate and break on the ball well, mystery why he can't get on the field given the "talent" in front of him.

Grant: incomplete-who knows

Mitchell: progressing, but often takes bad angles and bad penalties. Our best S by default.

Golden: a solid backup and ST guy, too bad he's probably our 2nd best safety.

Allen: aging and slowing down it seems with every passing game, he'd be a decent 4th safety.

Shark: waste of a pick, waste of a roster spot, totally lacking everything above the neck. He does have a talent for ST penalties though.

DAMN!!! Take this pile and shine it up Carnell, what's your problem????
 
Go DB in the first four rounds. I'm not kidding
 
Boykin! Wait, louder now. BOYKIN! I don't think you can mold a fine piece of pottery from a pile of ****. So, I don't, yet, blame Lake's coaching. ..... one more time. BOYKIN! Let's see what we got for that pick!
 
I think Coach Lake has our current crop of DBs playing beyond their level of talent. Lets see what he can do with some better guys.
 
Maybe we can trade for the Seattle DB who was covering Wheaton. Not hard to remember the days when Ike used to shut down #1 receivers and get bitched about because he had "bad hands". You can coach all you want but what is mostly required for a good CB is time.
 
We drafted Golson and Grant this year, who knows what we'll get out of them.
 
Perspective.

Ben put up 456 against arguably the best secondary in the NFL. Maybe the way the NFL is now you just can't cover nobody. Hell, if they were consistent, Sherman wouldn't cover anybody, either, because he would get called all the time for his grabbing and pulling.

There is a lesson in that, though. I believe that the refs are not going to call it all the time, so the best guys, Sherman, Revis and so on grab and pull and figure, "Well, it's only 5, and they won't call it too much." I wish the Steeler DBs had that mentality.
 
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