But yeah - It's not Tomlin's fault

[Lemmy]

TO SUM UP THIS DECADE OF DISAPPOINTMENT.
From 1981-1990 one of the worst decades of Steeler football the Steelers won 2 playoff games with one AFCCG appearance(loss)
From 2011-2020 the STEELERS won 3 playoff games. With the exact same amount of AFCCG Appearances 1 (one loss)
That means this decade from 2011-2020 only produced ONE MORE PLAYOFF WHEN THEN THE 80’s. What’s the difference ??
One decade had some of the worst QB’s in Steeler history. One of them had the best Steeler QB of all time.
CAN YOU BELIEVE THESE LAST 10 SEASONS IS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME AMOUNT OF PLAYOFF SUCCESS AS THE 80’s??? Doesn’t feel that way but those are the facts

 

[Super Dave]

One of the main differences between the Tomlin and Cowher eras is in the Rooney leadership. Dan hired Bill and Art2 pushed him out the door. Art2 meddled when he became President. He has not held Tomlin to the same standard that he held Cowher.

 

[Coryea]

Cowher overhauled the roster like 3 times

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[SteelerinMD]

Cowher overhauled the roster like 3 times

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But he didn’t tow the line down the road of success and meet failure. Then look the other way, ignore and persevere and strive for average


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[mdk2]

One of the main differences between the Tomlin and Cowher eras is in the Rooney leadership. Dan hired Bill and Art2 pushed him out the door. Art2 meddled when he became President. He has not held Tomlin to the same standard that he held Cowher.

AR2 is nothing like his father. All business/money, little care about actually winning.


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[SojournerSteel]

TO SUM UP THIS DECADE OF DISAPPOINTMENT.
From 1981-1990 one of the worst decades of Steeler football the Steelers won 2 playoff games with one AFCCG appearance(loss)
From 2011-2020 the STEELERS won 3 playoff games. With the exact same amount of AFCCG Appearances 1 (one loss)
That means this decade from 2011-2020 only produced ONE MORE PLAYOFF WHEN THEN THE 80’s. What’s the difference ??
One decade had some of the worst QB’s in Steeler history. One of them had the best Steeler QB of all time.
CAN YOU BELIEVE THESE LAST 10 SEASONS IS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME AMOUNT OF PLAYOFF SUCCESS AS THE 80’s??? Doesn’t feel that way but those are the facts

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[tapeANaspirin2it]

AR2 is nothing like his father. All business/money, little care about actually winning.


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there's a well known pattern with rich people. The 3rd generation often goes broke. The first generation builds the fortune through hard work. The second generation was there while it was built, saw all the work and likely helped build it. The 3rd generation is born with a silver spoon, has no idea how much work it took to get it, takes it for granted and often pisses it away.

 

[stuntmanmike]

I wouldn’t normally be on the “Fire Tomlin” bandwagon because the Rooney’s are not going to fire him but three things. 1) he’s just been sucking.. BAD! he lost the locker room long time ago. The bell, brown, now juju cases just poison the well and he seems powerless to do anything about it. They front office has been good at gathering talent but **** at managing it. Bad coaching really puts pressure on front office to never make mistake judging talent. he just can’t control the players and get max effort from them when there just isn’t any accountability. The assistants are horrible but we just keep stumbling along no accountability. The browns loss was just embrassing for everyone. I think even the browns were sympathetic for us! It was just horrible. Mike and staff just haven’t been accountable in very long time. Notice I said unaccountable? 2) it blows my mind but the replacement is available in Brandon Staley. If you combined Noll and Cowher you have Staley. I can’t believe how good of coach that guy is! He really understands coverages and how to use pass rush to also take away the run. His defenses hit like like Cowher’s and his game planning and play calling are like Noll’s. Rare opportunity to hire a gem of a coach. Hire Adam gase for offense and boom new life in morbid Franchise. While your at it promote Colbert jr to replace sr then hire Staley to let the two youngbloods work together get a chemistry. Bring back the run and defense to WPA! Oh And guess where Staley played college ball? DAYTON of course lol and he’s even out of the Sid Gilman/Chuck Noll coaching tree I think John fox was his first head coach at Chicago? 3) I would overhaul now from a position of strength rather than wait till we really really suck. The front office has to learn to trade guys before they become a problem. Was the bell/brown fiasco really worth it? Split the team down the middle and had us in the news as laughingstock. Just horrible team management. Bell set the pins up Antonio brown to knock down we miss playoffs. But more important if you have really good coaching you can make those trades in confidence and takes away any player thinking he’s more important than the team. Anyway Just glad Staley won’t be in our division go steelerssss!!!

 

[47585975]

Lemmy great comparison it’s hard for us steeler fans that endured the 80s to reflect back. Sometimes memory fades with time but it sure seems the last decade had more talent than through the 80s (no disrespect intended) . The past month kind of sums up with Cleveland and Baltimore advancing and we lost to Cincy and to Cleveland twice .


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[MT~Forged]

I keep hearing people reference the 1st play as causing the team to panic and change what they were going to do. I feel this is bullshit, MT has never changed what he is doing because things change. Did they panic, sure, needlessly they did. The only thing different between the Browns taking the KO and martching down to score, is that they got the points and the Steelers got 7-8 more minutes in the game to fight back.

 

[Coryea]

There was no where near the talent in the 80s compared to 2011-2020.
Stallworth was still pretty good and Webster, Woodson didn't come along until 87, Lipps had a few good years.

Lemmy great comparison it’s hard for us steeler fans that endured the 80s to reflect back. Sometimes memory fades with time but it sure seems the last decade had more talent than through the 80s (no disrespect intended) . The past month kind of sums up with Cleveland and Baltimore advancing and we lost to Cincy and to Cleveland twice .


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[diver]

One of the main differences between the Tomlin and Cowher eras is in the Rooney leadership. Dan hired Bill and Art2 pushed him out the door. Art2 meddled when he became President. He has not held Tomlin to the same standard that he held Cowher.

Art2 didn't push Cowher out. We didn't know it at the time, but Cowher was dealing with his wife's cancer. That is the key to understanding that time. The rest is just speculation.

I think proof of the fact that Cowher wasn't pushed out is that he hasn't coached since. He was probably contemplating getting out, and the situation with Kaye probably just sealed it.

 

[Hines57]

https://twitter.com/gerrydulac/status/1348731562335068165?s=19

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That assplains the LBs on WRs again, obbbbbbeeeeeeously. Nothing will change until ownership grows a pair and fires Mike T.

 

[Steeler Pride]

If the HC has taken play calling duties away from Butler then remind me why we still have Butler.

Scape goat, Tomlin can run things his way, if it doesn't work he blames Butler, Butler gets fired and Tomlin continues on.

 

[Steeler Pride]

Cowher overhauled the roster like 3 times

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My biggest gripe with Tomlin is that he is exceptionally reactive rather than proactive. He is always slow to the punch. He holds on to players too long and has no real replacements or preparation for their replacements. If he does have a replacement then he maintains his "standards" without having individual expectations. You may have a standard, but if every player could meet the standard they would not be second or third team. You have to find ways to modify your game plan based on the individual abilities and expectations for the individual player. Having Spillane trying to cover WR (or any LB covering WR) play in and play out is just asinine. Sure the standard may be for them to cover that receiver, but if you honestly expect that to happen you are delusional.

 

[black and gold apex]

All the headlines is Ben is the problem he should be let go.....yet not one finger is pointed to Tomlin and all his coaches. Observations watching the Steelers...complete collapse December and January games , no physicality on the field, poor tackling, poor coverage skills, poor line blocking., poor separation skills from receivers, Lack of TD's in side red zone, poor starts of games. Seems Ben cannot be the cause of everyone of these weaknesses .

 

[mdk2]

All the headlines is Ben is the problem he should be let go.....yet not one finger is pointed to Tomlin and all his coaches. Observations watching the Steelers...complete collapse December and January games , no physicality on the field, poor tackling, poor coverage skills, poor line blocking., poor separation skills from receivers, Lack of TD's in side red zone, poor starts of games. Seems Ben cannot be the cause of everyone of these weaknesses .

Tomlin doesn't control any of that stuff so he gets no blame. He does get full credit though when the team is doing great..

Tomlin is an embarrassment.

 

[Coach]

My biggest gripe with Tomlin is that he is exceptionally reactive rather than proactive. He is always slow to the punch. He holds on to players too long and has no real replacements or preparation for their replacements. If he does have a replacement then he maintains his "standards" without having individual expectations. You may have a standard, but if every player could meet the standard they would not be second or third team. You have to find ways to modify your game plan based on the individual abilities and expectations for the individual player. Having Spillane trying to cover WR (or any LB covering WR) play in and play out is just asinine. Sure the standard may be for them to cover that receiver, but if you honestly expect that to happen you are delusional.

All you really need to know if down 12 points in a playoff game, the buffoon opted to punt on 4th 1 near mid field in the 3rd quarter. The offense was doing well at that point. The defense, not so much.

 

[Coach]

All the headlines is Ben is the problem he should be let go.....yet not one finger is pointed to Tomlin and all his coaches. Observations watching the Steelers...complete collapse December and January games , no physicality on the field, poor tackling, poor coverage skills, poor line blocking., poor separation skills from receivers, Lack of TD's in side red zone, poor starts of games. Seems Ben cannot be the cause of everyone of these weaknesses .

Ben is still a top half QB in the NFL. Last game he was accurate, and threw for 500+ yards and 4 Td's. Two of the INT's were tipped passes where the defender just happened to be in the right stop to make a play.

I think he can still play well enough to win a super bowl, but not with Tomlin and his OC.

 

[wig]

For a FNG, you post like a decorated veteran.

Dude. It's ******* Lemmy!

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

But he didn’t tow the line down the road of success and meet failure. Then look the other way, ignore and persevere and strive for average

Yeah cower had turnover at his DC and hired and fired his OC's.

He never stood there Hoping things would get better. He didnt have Ben most of those years either.

 

[wig]

To borrow a line from Madden 20. "Down by this much, the one thing you know. There IS no punter."

The ONE chance they had was to convert that 4th down, get some points and put the Browns in a position where it was a 1 score game. That would have put pressure on the Browns to not screw up instead of play loose. Given the Browns history of playoff collapse (against the Steelers no less) it is entirely likely that they would have been under tremendous pressure.

Instead, Tomlin put his faith in a defense that had admittedly produced two consecutive 3 n outs. But you've GOT that defense in your pocket. They can come out and be your ace in the hole if the offense fails to produce points. **** even a FG at that point in the game puts tremendous pressure on the Browns.

Terrible, terrible decision. He can hem and haw all he wants, but he ******* blinked. He pussed out. He lived in his fears.

 

[Stryker]

Funny, no one blamed Cowher for losing SB XXX, I guess it's because his QB only threw 2 INTs...

 

[Steeler Pride]

Funny, no one blamed Cowher for losing SB XXX, I guess it's because his QB only threw 2 INTs...

Outside of those 2 INT's, the game plan was solid, our defense was solid. Trying to equate what the Steelers put on film against the Browns and what happened in SB XXX is like comparing apples and oranges.

 

[Stryker]

Outside of those 2 INT's, the game plan was solid, our defense was solid. Trying to equate what the Steelers put on film against the Browns and what happened in SB XXX is like comparing apples and oranges.

Not really, when you're upside down 14-0 5min in, you can't run your offense or your planned defense. Not long after, we're down 28-0 before we score our first. Short fields and easy TDs, and I don't know how we can blame the coaches for our players forgetting how to tackle. It looked like our teams switched jerseys before this game...

Now if the game plan was, OK we'll spot them a TD on the first snap, and When they get the ball, do your best to not tackle them, and Hey Ben how about giving them the ball 4 times, Then I would agree. The coaches would take all of the blame.