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But yeah - It's not Tomlin's fault

Coryea said:
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this is why I’m not quite as tough on Butler as Fichtner because I suspect Tomlin does have his hands on the defense. And he’s not qualified. Tomlin played WR in college. Then he had some low level coaching jobs and finally landed in Tampa as a DB coach. He then had just 1 season as DC in Minnesota. The only thing he knows defensively is Tampa 2.

people complain about the 2 DL alignments. It’s not. Watt and Highsmith are playing DE in those formations. Heyward’ s official position is listed as DT.

That’s why the Steelers spent so much to go up and get Devin Bush. Tomlin wants his Derrick Brooks. A LB that can cover that deep middle in the Tampa 2. The weakness of that scheme that everybody except Fichtner seems to know.
 
the "Tampa two" is the old steel curtain defense as taught to Tony dungy by chuck noll. you can implement it many ways but it to defenses what "west coast" offense is to modern offenses... in fact he "west coast" offense was hatched up by Paul brown and bill Walsh as an offense that could beat the "steel curtain"!!!! how you play defenses and make the calls is what matters more than base formations. cover2 defenses were good enough to put 4 Super Bowl trophies in the trophy case big deference is chuck aint calling the plays. so ya butler does make a difference and he has been **** as a coordinator. you have to remember we have top shelf talent, both on offense and defense. the front offense given the coaches more than enough talent to win and Rooneys have been shelling out the money... the talent is there... the coaching isn't.
 
Coryea said:
Not with our Tampa 2 deep safeties all night and ILB's trying to man cover WR's.
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THIS, it didn't fool anyone 10years ago and it didn't fool anyone last night, including us fans......you know the ones EBRON said to **** off.




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Tape, I'm the same way with Butler, but the entire organization needs a wakeup call. Butler is just a part of that.
 
stuntmanmike said:
the "Tampa two" is the old steel curtain defense as taught to Tony dungy by chuck noll. you can implement it many ways but it to defenses what "west coast" offense is to modern offenses... in fact he "west coast" offense was hatched up by Paul brown and bill Walsh as an offense that could beat the "steel curtain"!!!! how you play defenses and make the calls is what matters more than base formations. cover2 defenses were good enough to put 4 Super Bowl trophies in the trophy case big deference is chuck aint calling the plays. so ya butler does make a difference and he has been **** as a coordinator. you have to remember we have top shelf talent, both on offense and defense. the front offense given the coaches more than enough talent to win and Rooneys have been shelling out the money... the talent is there... the coaching isn't.
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Ok but the Steelers of the 70's had overwhelmingly good talent on offense. So playing a safe based defense where there is less room to get bombed over the top particularly in the seams makes sense. Your front four handled the run. You could drop linebackers to take the middle zones. Throw in man when you wanted to pressure. and to be fair when the offense was pumping 30 at the first part of the season it was fine. But in the modern NFL where QB's can pick you a part and you have a guy like Jarvis Landry running in those zones c'mon. You needed to bring safeties down into the play threaten some stuff.
 
It's pathetic how Tomlin just can't come out and say "it's on me."
Instead of saying "yes, I was the one calling the plays," he just says we operated like we normally.. so kind of leaving it up in the with who should be blamed for the atrocious defense.

I've never seen a HC be so unaccountable as what Tomlin is.
 
Part I will never understand. Show me the difference between Cowher and Tomlin's success. Cowher regular season 149-90-1 one Super Bowl one Super Bowl Loss. Tomlin 145-78-1 One Super Bowl one Super Bowl loss. Cowher gone when the team was still stacked with talent after years of shoe string budgets. Tomlin has had everything at his disposal and you are gonna rebuild with him. C'mon man.
 
stuntmanmike said:
you have to remember we have top shelf talent, both on offense and defense. the front offense given the coaches more than enough talent to win and Rooneys have been shelling out the money... the talent is there... the coaching isn't.
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I'm not sure of top-shelf talent. No sacks of Mayfield and the Browns had 2 back up OL in the game. While players do have bad games from time-to-time, I think we as fans think this defense is as good as the Steel Curtain, and it's average at best.
 
mdk2 said:
It's pathetic how Tomlin just can't come out and say "it's on me."
Instead of saying "yes, I was the one calling the plays," he just says we operated like we normally.. so kind of leaving it up in the with who should be blamed for the atrocious defense.

I've never seen a HC be so unaccountable as what Tomlin is.
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You don't need to take direct responsibility when you can throw out the quote " We just died on the vine".
 
SteelerSask said:
Part I will never understand. Show me the difference between Cowher and Tomlin's success. Cowher regular season 149-90-1 one Super Bowl one Super Bowl Loss. Tomlin 145-78-1 One Super Bowl one Super Bowl loss. Cowher gone when the team was still stacked with talent after years of shoe string budgets. Tomlin has had everything at his disposal and you are gonna rebuild with him. C'mon man.
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Cowher has a 12-9 playoff record. 6 AFCC appearances, 2SB appearances, 1 SB(2 years with a 1st ballot HOF QB) (15 years coaching)

Tomlin is 8-8 in playoffs. 3 AFCC, 2SB, 1SB(Entire coaching tenure with 1st ballot HOF QB).. extreme under achieving IMO. (14 years coaching)
 
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SteelerSask said:
Part I will never understand. Show me the difference between Cowher and Tomlin's success. Cowher regular season 149-90-1 one Super Bowl one Super Bowl Loss. Tomlin 145-78-1 One Super Bowl one Super Bowl loss. Cowher gone when the team was still stacked with talent after years of shoe string budgets. Tomlin has had everything at his disposal and you are gonna rebuild with him. C'mon man.
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Cowher made the playoffs 10 times in 15 years. They won at least 1 playoff game in 8 of those seasons and made the AFC Championship game 6 times.

Tomlin has made the playoffs 9 times in 14 years. They won at least 1 playoff game in 4 of those seasons and made the AFC Championship game 3 times.

The playoff factor makes such a huge difference when the regular season results are essentially the same.
 
SteelerSask said:
Part I will never understand. Show me the difference between Cowher and Tomlin's success. Cowher regular season 149-90-1 one Super Bowl one Super Bowl Loss. Tomlin 145-78-1 One Super Bowl one Super Bowl loss. Cowher gone when the team was still stacked with talent after years of shoe string budgets. Tomlin has had everything at his disposal and you are gonna rebuild with him. C'mon man.
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The biggest difference by far is that Cowher took over a team fresh off a 7-9 season and with Neil O'Donnell at QB and went 11-5, made the playoffs the first 6 seasons, made the Super Bowl in his 4th season with a mediocre QB, and once he had a great QB, he went 34-14 regular season, 5-1 playoffs, won a Super Bowl.

Soft-serve Tomlin took over a team 2 years removed from a Super Bowl win, with numerous HOF players on the roster, an elite HOF QB, and has gone the past 10 seasons with a total of 3 playoff wins and zero Super Bowl appearances, most of it with a HOF quarterback in his prime.
 
Steeltime said:
The biggest difference by far is that Cowher took over a team fresh off a 7-9 season and with Neil O'Donnell at QB and went 11-5, made the playoffs the first 6 seasons, made the Super Bowl in his 4th season with a mediocre QB, and once he had a great QB, he went 34-14 regular season, 5-1 playoffs, won a Super Bowl.

Soft-serve Tomlin took over a team 2 years removed from a Super Bowl win, with numerous HOF players on the roster, an elite HOF QB, and has gone the past 10 seasons with a total of 3 playoff wins and zero Super Bowl appearances, most of it with a HOF quarterback in his prime.
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And yet Mike remains. I do honestly believe they move on from Colbert this year. Then Tomlin is gone next year when his contract runs out. Do I agree. No. I'd have fired him two years ago minimum. That said the order of operations isn't usually HC then GM. Puts GM in a lame duck spot.
 
SteelerSask said:
And yet Mike remains. I do honestly believe they move on from Colbert this year. Then Tomlin is gone next year when his contract runs out. Do I agree. No. I'd have fired him two years ago minimum. That said the order of operations isn't usually HC then GM. Puts GM in a lame duck spot.
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Colbert is going to make the call when he retires. He's had a terrific career with the Steelers and has arguably been even better over the past few years, especially when it comes to finding impact players in the draft.
 
SteelerFan448 said:
Colbert is going to make the call when he retires. He's had a terrific career with the Steelers and has arguably been even better over the past few years, especially when it comes to finding impact players in the draft.
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I have no beef with Colbert. Let me make that clear. But if they are a two piece set Colbert might have to go first. I just don't see how you can commit to a rebuild with a gm signing one year deals.
 
Hoot said:
If the HC has taken play calling duties away from Butler then remind me why we still have Butler.
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If the HC went 1-5 in his last 6 games this season, and has gone 3-7 in his last 10 playoff games (including four postseason one-and-dones immediately following regular season records of 12-4, 13-3, 11-5, and 12-4), remind me why we still have Tomlin.
 
mdk2 said:
Cowher has a 12-9 playoff record. 6 AFCC appearances, 2SB appearances, 1 SB(2 years with a 1st ballot HOF QB) (15 years coaching)

Tomlin is 8-8 in playoffs. 3 AFCC, 2SB, 1SB(Entire coaching tenure with 1st ballot HOF QB).. extreme under achieving IMO. (14 years coaching)
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SteelerFan448 said:
Cowher made the playoffs 10 times in 15 years. They won at least 1 playoff game in 8 of those seasons and made the AFC Championship game 6 times.

Tomlin has made the playoffs 9 times in 14 years. They won at least 1 playoff game in 4 of those seasons and made the AFC Championship game 3 times.

The playoff factor makes such a huge difference when the regular season results are essentially the same.
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4 years ago, Tomlin supporters still had time on their side when comparing him to Cowher. 2 seasons without a playoff appearance and 2 embarrassing first-round playoff losses later, and it's become clear that their argument has weakened considerably.
 
SteelerSask said:
And yet Mike remains. I do honestly believe they move on from Colbert this year. Then Tomlin is gone next year when his contract runs out. Do I agree. No. I'd have fired him two years ago minimum. That said the order of operations isn't usually HC then GM. Puts GM in a lame duck spot.
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It's just not going to happen. Plus, the Steelers are likely going to promote one of their internal guys (Khan or Hunt). Colbert has pretty much given this coaching staff everything they've asked for and the staff hasn't delivered on it.
 
stuntmanmike said:
the "Tampa two" is the old steel curtain defense as taught to Tony dungy by chuck noll. you can implement it many ways but it to defenses what "west coast" offense is to modern offenses... in fact he "west coast" offense was hatched up by Paul brown and bill Walsh as an offense that could beat the "steel curtain"!!!! how you play defenses and make the calls is what matters more than base formations. cover2 defenses were good enough to put 4 Super Bowl trophies in the trophy case big deference is chuck aint calling the plays. so ya butler does make a difference and he has been **** as a coordinator. you have to remember we have top shelf talent, both on offense and defense. the front offense given the coaches more than enough talent to win and Rooneys have been shelling out the money... the talent is there... the coaching isn't.
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The Steelers are soft , the organization gave up on the running game half a decade ago. Our oline cannot run block our receivers can’t catch ,our defense is overrated and relies completely on turnovers(injuries did not help), our old hall of fame qb has to throw the ball 80 times a game ,our head coach can’t do basic math and I’m not sure anyone would hire our other coordinators if they were fired, which won’t happen. It is proven this team cannot win in the playoffs .....that is clear. Other than that we’re well positioned for next year! Go Steelers!!!


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