My fear is that if you give a long term contract to Dupree, you will be in difficult position with Watt next year and Fitz the year after. If they have a long term view where they can get them done without a huge purge of other talent ok. But to me its Watt and with the investment and return of Fitz him too.
Bud Dupree Leaves Representation before Officially Hitting Free Agency
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Don't forget Steve Nelson if he has another big season this season, we'll probably want to lock him up next off season, he just turned 27 and Haden won't be around much longer. Then what do you do with Heyward, he graded out as one of the best defenders in the NFL last season and seems to be getting better with age. He has a 13 million dollar hit this season, this is his last under contract, they may want to try for an extension with him to lower his cap hit this season.
dude you are a straight hater. You just can't get past a certain dollar amount for a player or a position. Bud is getting paid and enjoy the fact the guy actually turned the corner this year and made the most of his opportunity. We don't want to go into next season with an unknown at ROLB. We have enough issues with TE, LG and RB.
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Unfortunately, I don't see it that way. Bud the Dud did not start to adequately live up to the 1st round pick he was until this year. Other than that, he has been very pedestrian to put it mildly. In fact, I highly doubt he would have done anything this year without Watt on the other side! Though we have no one with game time experience (all because Tomlin can't rotate players in much), that doesn't mean that either Ola or Skipper can't be a good to great replacement for Bud. Hell, we lived at least 3 years pulling our hair out over Bud not being able to play the damn position, I'm sure we can give Ola or Skipper a couple years to develop. I look at it this way - what could Ola or Skipper look like in 5 years if given the same opportunity Dupree was given? How long did it take Harrison to see the field and look what we had with him! Opposite Watt, a rotation of Ola and Skipper will be just fine. I hope they let Dupree walk and message both Ola and Skipper, next man up - who wants it more?
Not a hater, how many here thought Bud sucked heading into this season? Most if not everyone posting here, except maybe you? He turned the corner for 1 season, 1 out of 5, and his QB pressures were still pretty low. If he played like this a couple seasons, then it would be different. I don't want to give huge money to a guy that decides to show up in his contract year, especially with the guys coming up that are going to command and deserve top tier money. Bud IS NOT one of those players. 13 million per is the highest I'd go with him on a long term contract.
BTW, you're in the minority here.
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If you pay Bud 16+ million per year, you better be ready to pay Watt 35 million per year (yeah, there is that much of a difference!). We will have a great defense, but no money to sign anyone on offence, considering in two years you need to take care of Minkah. You can't spend 3/4 of your budget on defense and expect to win the super bowl or even go far in the playoffs. Yes, defense wins championships, but your team also has to score points!
Everyone keeps forgetting Steve Nelson, he was on par with Gilmore this season, and if he has another great season, they'll want to resign him with Watt next offseason, especially when you consider Haden's age.
glad you aren't our GM because you clearly don't get it. Although we've already established this.
Explain to me what I, and the majority here don't get. I'm not the one wanting to pay Ferrari money for a Chevy.
You want to overpay for a player because of what we have or don't have behind him?
The man has earned his contract. You're fixated on a number. I am fixated on someone we developed and who has turned the corner from a walk free agent to a man with double digit sacks. We don't have a first round draft pick to replace an OLB who can get 10+ sacks. We have that man on our roster with a franchise tag coming and then hopefully a contract negotiation that locks him up for the next several years. He has earned his chance to continue what he started, unlike someone like Jarvis who we let go.
What he did in his first 4 years when the defense may have asked him to play more in coverage or where he played injured is clouding your vision. You are stuck on a very specific number worried about what others are going to get. That we have a guy like Omar Khan who will take care of the numbers game is extremely helpful. They're going to have to cut some people this year due to our cap situation and also the expiring CBA that will handicap us being able to do things a certain way with money. Once that CBA is done the cap will increase and the guys you are worried about next year and the year after will be able to get paid as well.
What he did in his first 4 years when the defense may have asked him to play more in coverage or where he played injured is clouding your vision. You are stuck on a very specific number worried about what others are going to get. That we have a guy like Omar Khan who will take care of the numbers game is extremely helpful. They're going to have to cut some people this year due to our cap situation and also the expiring CBA that will handicap us being able to do things a certain way with money. Once that CBA is done the cap will increase and the guys you are worried about next year and the year after will be able to get paid as well.
That's an interesting debate. Who is better, Woodley or Dupree? Woodley started off better. First 4 years, hands down, Woodley was the better player. They both set the edge well and were tough to block in the run game.
Year 5, Dupree is clearly the better player. 68 tackles 16 TFLs 17 QBhits 11.5 Sacks 3 PDs 4 FFs 2 FRs
Woodley: 39 tackles 10 TFLs 13 QB Hits 9 sacks 2 PDs 0 FFs 1 FR, though he did have an INT
Clearly at year 5 Bud's arrow is pointing up, while Woodley's was pointing down.
He's gotten double digit sacks in 1 of 5 seasons, but you talk like 10+sacks is a given? Yeah I'm fixated on a number because there is a cap and there are dollar amounts on the top tier guys, he's not worth top tier money. Kahn is amazing, he can't pull cap space out of his ***. The guy has had one good season, we didn't develop anything, and that one good season just happened to be in a contract year. I've said over and over again, that they'll tag him, I'm not sure what more you want me to say, I'm not going to do cart wheels like you and your jolly texters.
He went on IR one year and missed most of that year. He had a shoulder injury in another season. You should be hoping he signs an actual contract and not just the tag. The tag is expensive and if he actually signs a contract it opens up more space to resign others on the roster. Some folks can't see the forest for the trees though, obviously.
Woodley's 5th year, he only started 10 games, and still had 9 sacks and 13 QB hits, Bud in 16 games only had 2.5 more sacks and 4 more QB Hits.
5 years Woodley had 48 sacks 69 QB Hits 15 PD's 7 FF's 58TFL's
5 years Bud had 31.5 sacks 50 QB Hits 9 PD's 6 FF's 46TFL's
No comparison.
It will open up more space in 2020, not down the road.
16 million tag, that money counts this season and this season only.
If he signs, lets say a 4 year 65 million dollar deal with 30 million guaranteed. That's 7+million per season on the guaranteed alone, then you have the 4 years of salary to add in. So even if they stagger year one to be a base salary of only 9 million, it's still a 16 million dollar hit, then the next 3 years are going to be huge cap hits.
Bottom line you just don't want to pay the man market value. We get it. You can't acknowledge that he actually improved and earned himself a second contract. With you managing this team, we would leave a glaring hole on our defense heading into the new season instead of signing someone who has shown progress. That he did it in a contract year is irrelevant. The arrow is pointing up for Dupree in a big way.
Ummmm, if I'm saying I'd pay the guy 13 million per season, isn't that saying he's improved? Isn't that saying he earned a second contract?
I'm just not going to pay him top tier money like you obviously want to, why? I have no ******* clue why, he's not a top tier OLB.
Obviously you do not understand the math. The pay scale in the NFL is out of wack due to the rising CBA each year. You'll pay him $13M which puts him top 7, both #5 and #6 make $13M+ currently per year. Paying him $16M, if that's what he gets, because that's the number you can't get out of your head, makes him the 5th highest paid OLB in the league. Top 7 isn't a top tier OLB in the league in terms of salary, because you just stated you would pay him $13M per. Math escapes you. Have a good one
Goff is the #4 highest paid QB in the NFL, is he a top tier QB to you? I don't care about 7th highest, 10th highest, etc. Mahomes is pretty low on the highest paid QB, does that make him not a top tier QB?
16 million is the tag hit, that's what that number is, if that keeps escaping you for some reason.
Your argument skills are terrible. Mahomes is on a rookie contract and his pay scale can't be compared to guys who have signed a second deal. Goff has signed a second deal. Is he a top tier QB? He's one year removed from a Super Bowl loss and he signed his deal after that Super Bowl. He's done very well for himself but starting QB pay is skewed greatly. The Rams were in the Super Bowl because of their offense. Goff was the leader of that offense.
The tag hit can be lessened if they negotiate a deal after the fact although with the 30% CBA rule in place this year its going to be a challenge.
I'm just showing that where a player is when it comes to highest paid at their position doesn't mean they are top tier or not top tier.
That's what i've been saying, it's going to be difficult to do, it's not just as simple is "PAY THAT MAN"
Also, you can tag him and try to negotiate, but you know damn well Dupree's agent knows what other teams would be willing to pay him. If there's a team willing to pay him 18 per with a lot guaranteed, why would he sign long term with us?
He can't negotiate with other teams if he gets tagged. The argument about what other teams with more cap space will do is irrelevant. Bud has stated he wants to be here and didn't mind that the tag was coming. This is a different situation than what we had with Le'Veon. So when we say PAY THAT MAN, its because we want to see him continue as a Steeler and see this defense continue being disruptive. If Bud doesn't negotiate for a long term deal, he then runs the risk of an injury or anything else that could happen that would lessen his chances at a long term deal after the season.
It's not irrelevant, if he knows what others will pay him and we can't really get close, he'll just play under the tag and try for free agency next season. If we are close then he would sign, but if some team is offering 18per and 60 guaranteed and we're offering 15 per and 45 guaranteed, why would he sign with us?
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I think those 16M will be better invested somewhere else, another FA OLB that could be signed for 10M avg, 2 years contract like Barron for example. You still have 6M available to invest in TE, RB or NT.
This draft seems to be a very good one for Olinemen so they are out of my FA list except for Feiler and maybe Finney if affordable
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So Bud just didn’t care until this year and just turned on the switch?? Got it. SMH